FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119163858#Comment_119163858

If they are getting confused and can’t get head around odd and even numbers I thought it was best to deal with one topic at a time….

Dempo1

It's fascinating all these secret memos which purport to advise government only to discarded or ignored generally.

This latest "Confidential Plan" as a ring of Blackadder about it.

Quote

"The plan also includes the introduction of an emergency scheme whereby motorists with an odd number at the end of their car registration will only be allowed to drive or refuel on alternate days"

Who do these Genius's propose to monitor, implement this hair brained idea, sounding a bit like the €9 meal rule during Covid 🙄

Also , this bit

QUOTE

"All non-essential workers will be ordered to work from home"

Are they proposing to close down Retail, Hospitality etc again 🤔

Intriguing BA , nothing to say about Health or Housing 🤔 there's a refreshing change

brokenangel

On housing the plan for housing is available from the government, it’s a housing crisis not sure what changed since I posted on it 1-2 days ago. We need more supply. Parties need to stop using it to get political points etc

All discussed, nothing new.

If complaining about HAP well then do you want more people on the street?

Health we have issues, never said we haven’t but covid has increased those levels so need to fix them asap, what else to say on the topic?

Both articles just resharing the same information again to keep the permanent outraged happy….

Irelandsnumberone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119163863#Comment_119163863

So what's your opinion on the 3 issues that the poster stated fuel, housing and health.

Fuel issue you want to deflect fair enough, standard really

Housing and Health?

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119163866#Comment_119163866

Really you are not able to use common sense to work that out?

How are you confused?

see comments on housing and health 👍🤯🤦‍♂️

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119163874#Comment_119163874

Indeed, immediate deflection 😏

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119163874#Comment_119163874

Provided

On fuel the first day of the war everyone said non essential workers should be made work from home. That does not mean shutting shops 🤦‍♂️

If you can’t figure out the rest as a grown adult sorry but I can’t help. Embarrassing carry on

Dempo1

BA , common sense is actually at the heart of this bizzare Plan/Proposal , Lack of it .

But typically you turn this into me having lack of common sense , your consistent, I'll give you that .

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119163885#Comment_119163885

It really is exhausting at times , if there was even consistency in BA''s responses it would be slightly bearable but my word and as I've said repeatedly, BA would argue with their own shadow if it helped defend this Government.

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119163885#Comment_119163885

Wow a comment about a user and nothing about the topic

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119163887#Comment_119163887

So you are confused by the article? its not a plan or proposal, it’s an article with some snippets, not a government release. You do understand that?

The snippet in teh article are easy to follow what the plan is so no idea how you are struggling so maybe contact a local TD and ask for clarity at the time of the government release if still confused

Of course this is because of a war and we all hope I guess it doesn’t happen and that will mean the war is over. But let’s use the war for political points scoring on a forum like the housing crisis 🤦‍♂️

Dempo1

I've actually not complained about HAP , simply pointing to an article stating its cost has gone over a Billion per Annum. It is the mere fact such supports are needed that's actually disturbing and says more about the chronic state of Governments Historical housing polices generally.

Dempo1

It's very Clear BA , it's you that conveniently picks "Snippets" from reports, Polls, Reporting in order to feed an insatiable appetite to deflect, fueled by an equally insatiable appetite to make it personal.

I got a great laugh out of your Hypocrisy re ability to use search function on Boards when all you do is Trawl Threads in pursuit of dragging up previous posts from those who dare to disagree with you. Posts I might add have little to do with an argument your attempting (badly) to make.

Your recent "Touching" experience of our health service actually bemused me, I don't need to post personal stories to highlight a point about my experiences with our health system over 5 years other than to say Front Line Staff are not the problem, they are magnificent, it's the incompetence at very senior management level that's the problem and Government policy. I don't recognise the Fluffyness you describe, it's an absolute unmitigated mess, I actually have direct experience.

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119163927#Comment_119163927

🤦‍♂️

You tried to say it was a proposal/plan from the government but it’s an article.

New day for more outrage over an article

HAP could cost 2 billion but once people are off the street who cares? Would you prefer to see families living on the street?

Get up the yard

Dempo1

BA it's an article disclosing a confidential briefing and proposals made to government, what part of this are you actually missing, are you saying the Journalist made it up 🙄, you know like, "Makey Uppy" so to speak.

There's no outrage on my part , just bewilderment and bemusement.

Who cares as long as people are off the streets 😳 my word , I've heard it all now.

You are aware there's two types of HAP payment

Homeless HAP, self explanatory

Standard HAP of which substantial sums are being paid to hard working people who can not afford full Rent , if of course they can find somewhere to Rent 🙄

How you equate me being happy to see people living on the streets is utterly perplexing, again, the mere fact €1 billion annually is required to keep roofs over peoples heads is shocking and an incitement of this and previous governments housing policies.

Get up the Yard 🤔, another Poster using this silly sign off on posts, it's really quite childish.

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119164005#Comment_119164005

Another day of going in circles. You claimed to be confused by the plan/proposal

First off it’s an article and not to the level of a plan/proposal the government would release

Second even the bits that are included are easy to follow yet you seem to be totally baffled by it. How do you not understand the different between odd and even numbers? Why would anyone need to monitor. Do we need a nanny state now?

This is all simple stuff but as usual some people seem to be totally flummoxed by it.

Ss I advised, if you are still confused after a plan/proposal is released then contact a TD and they should be able to explain.

Let just hope the war is over, thats a little more important now don’t you think 🤔

In terms of housing, already discussed, supply is the answer. If you are concerned about the 1 billion contact the party you support and ask them to help get houses/apartment build to get out of this crisis. No more delay tactics

Dempo1

BA it's actually you going around in circles, yet again , the fact you can't actually see it is baffling.

Focusing yet again on a poster, not the actual content of post , utterly bizzare.

I'd love to explore this utopian parallel universe you live in, it sounds, almost to good to be true 😏

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119163404#Comment_119163404

I don't think McEntee has a hope of leadership. Her star was quickly tarnished. Paschal is the only one capable and somewhat clean.

nigeldaniel

I don't see why Sf are getting so geared up by FG's idea to cut taxes. FG has always been about lowering taxes. As for Polls, I don't think much of them at all, nor do anyone else.

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119164751#Comment_119164751

The opposition figures don't add up properly so extra taxes will be required, or massively reduced spending, tax cuts now makes them even more visible and hard hitting. I'd be doing the same if in opposition.

Do we cut taxes to reduce living costs, or give money back as state aid to selected groups (or everyone, which is effectively a tax cut)?

jmcc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119164725#Comment_119164725

The FG parliamentary party installed Varadkar as leader despite the FG grassroots voting for Coveney. Their votes outweighed those of the grassroots. Think the idea of McEntee as leader was floated in the Irish Mail on Sunday a few months ago. Donohoe would be the better choice but Coveney was previously the most popular with the FG grassroots and he may have a better chance.

Regards...jmcc

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119164138#Comment_119164138

You posted "still trying to get my head around the uneven vehicle reg number bit", I have given you advice but you seem set on making comments like "childish" and trying to be condescending because I made a point that the HSE staff are good.

Get up the yard

Dempo1

😂😂 Advice 🙄 is that what you call your silly games, thanks but no thanks. Hit a raw nerve have I 🤔

You must have a PhD in condescension.

Irelandsnumberone

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/2022/06/06/nama-land-with-potential-for-86145-homes-sold-since-2011-but-fewer-than-11000-built/

Something but sinn fein etc

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119165514#Comment_119165514

Its behind a paywall, whats the main jist of the argument here?

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119166679#Comment_119166679

It's not behind paywall, article can be read

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119166708#Comment_119166708

Em, no its behind a paywall..

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119166725#Comment_119166725

Hmmm, check your browser

AlmightyCushion

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119166725#Comment_119166725

I can read it. Try loading it in incognito mode or clearing your cookies for the irish times website to read it

Irelandsnumberone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119166679#Comment_119166679

Economy

Nama land with potential for 86,145 homes sold since 2011, but fewer than 11,000 built

Most of land and potential residential units in Dublin, Cork, Kildare, Wicklow, Meath, Galway and Louth

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Nama has sold 5,478 hectares of land since 2011, enough for 86,145 homes. To date, less than 11,000 units have been built, new figures from the Department of Finance show. Photograph: Cyril Byrne

By Eoin Burke-Kennedy

Mon Jun 6 2022 - 06:30

<snip> - copyrighted information - only 1 para permitted

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119165305#Comment_119165305

Yeah agreed but Coveney would have been another Enda Kenny. He cannot answer questions on the hoof unless he is repeating a coached mantra. He spent 2 years saying the word 'backstop' during Brexit. McEntee is another one that does car crash interviews unless she is coached what to say. The party knew that Leo could talk on his feet and make sense.

Beasty

Behind a paywall or not, this site's copyright policy allows 1 paragraph from an article and a link must be provided

jmcc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119167173#Comment_119167173

The difference betwee Varadkar and Coveney is that Coveney manages to appear sincere where as Varadkar doesn't. When Varadkar doesn't have a script he waffles like any other politician. McEntee is not very good with interviews. FG's biggest vulnerability is the claim that it is out of touch. The FG grassroots voted overwhelmingly for Coveney. Kenny might have been a bit of an eejit when it came to debates or inteviews but he had good political instincts. Varadkar hasn't and has led FG to new lows in the opinion polls and lost seats unnecessarily for FG. Paschal Donohoe might be FG's best choice in the immediate future to replace Varadkar.

Regards...jmcc

Dempo1

Leo Varadkar slaps down Simon Harris over ‘navel gazing’ comments

Minister for Higher Education Simon Harris viewed within FG as leadership contender Tánaiste Leo Varadkar has slapped down Simon Harris in a clear sign of simmering tension between two of the most high-profile ministers in Fine Gael. Minister for Further and Higher Education Simon Harris last month launched a thinly veiled attack on Mr Varadkar, saying that “we don’t need navel gazing or debates or workshops or focus groups”.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/leo-varadkar-slaps-down-simon-harris-over-navel-gazing-comments-41727416.html

Tensions rising 🤔🤔

Brucie Bonus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119167867#Comment_119167867

Two wasters. Hopefully they cancel each other out.

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119169841#Comment_119169841

Hopefully, interesting discussion on Liveline line affecting pensioners buy a decision Enda Kennys government made, I sense FG TD'S might be running for cover as I type, outrageous, seemingly pensions raided, one 90 year old, near blind pensioner was on he's loosing over €1000 per year.

https://www.independent.ie/business/budget/news/noonan-scraps-controversial-pension-levy-31608614.html

Brucie Bonus

This is interesting...

Simon Coveney’s brother ran five-star Ritz-Carlton in Moscow remotely from Ireland following Ukraine invasion

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/simon-coveneys-brother-ran-five-star-ritz-carlton-in-moscow-remotely-from-ireland-following-ukraine-invasion-41727226.html

He must be one of those Putin loving lefties.

We know various property investment bodies were sold on investment in Russia. Gino Kenny strikes again!

And on and on...

Tony Coveney’s brother Patrick Coveney recently left his role as chief executive of convenience-foods manufacturer Greencore after 13 years to run SSP Group, a food service company.

Another brother, Rory Coveney, is director of strategy at RTÉ.

Dempo1

TUT TUT 😳

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/politics/arid-40889717.html

Brucie Bonus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119169965#Comment_119169965

Probably posted something about an end to cronyism.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119169880#Comment_119169880

I did not know Crony Coveney had a brother high up in RTE. Not good.

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119170509#Comment_119170509

Me too and head of Strategy no less 🤔🤔

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119169852#Comment_119169852

If that 90-year-old pensioner was losing 1,000 a year then his actual pension pot was well over one million euro. Hardly living in poverty now, is it?

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119169880#Comment_119169880

Non story there tbh...

.. and it has nothing to do with the government.

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119170653#Comment_119170653

I suggest you actually listen back before making glib comments, the Pensioner has a private weekly private pension payment of €108 after government took €20 per week , 10 years ago , the levy was supposed to be Temporary although I admit don't know the full details. He presumably has a state pension also.

The Man is 90 Years of Age, almost Blind, Depends on meals on meals and that €20 the government took from him (over €1k per year) is the difference between him putting on his heating at 3pm or 6pm . He also worked in sales and started working at 16.

Million euro pot my arse.

FG Government to and this Pensioner not alone , I doubt Enda Kenny or Michael Noonan have to worry about what time they put their heating on 🙄

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119170686#Comment_119170686

Then the old man on liveline is not telling the truth as that is not how the levy worked, at all at all....

The levy was taken out of the total equity of the pension, not the weekly outgoings of said pension....

You got suckered into a nice tall tale alright!

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119170693#Comment_119170693

We'll see about that and by all accounts so will FG TD'S

The figures were broken down on a yearly weekly basis for the purposes of how it effected the Pensioner, I never said anything about how the levy was taken .

Your immediate assumption a 90 year old goes on national Airways and lies , really say more about you .

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119170702#Comment_119170702

It's there in black and white in the article you shared.

The levy was introduced at a rate of 0.75% of the total pension pot and reduced down to 0.15% for 2014-2015

The pensioner on liveline described his private pension being 128 euro a week, where he claims the levy took 20 euro off him

Tell us all, how 0.75% of a levy actually is a 16% levy....?

You're the expert here, give us the breakdown.

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119170725#Comment_119170725

Your clearly on silly games duty today .

I've not gone into how levy worked and stated quite clearly I know very little about it but commented on how it was brought up by a 90 year old pensioner and how it's affected him on a weekly basis over a number of years . It was shocking

You infact claim to be the expert and made an absurd notion this man was sitting on a €1 million pension pot .

You don't need to take my word for what was said, discussed and broken down, you can either play back the podcast (last 15 minutes) or pop over to the live line thread and see the comments.

But of course it's not really about a 90 year old blind man struggling to heat his home on your mind at all, its the defence of a previous FG governments decision at all costs .

I'm happy to supply a link to the podcast if your struggling to find it although you've clearly little interest other than these silly deflection games.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119170686#Comment_119170686

Is that €108 in addition to his contributory pension, or does he get the non-contributory pension means-tested as well?

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119170751#Comment_119170751

To be honest, I would like to see the hard figures first.

Dempo1

I believe the Man has private pension paying 108 per week after the deduction re this levy, I presume he has a state pension also.

So just to be clear .

I brought up a quite shocking story on live line earlier, I never claimed to be an expert on this levy introduced by a former FG government but linked to that levy in question.

That was greeted with accusations of Lies, €1 million pensions pot and being Suckered.

The Man (90 years of age, very coherent and clearly truthful raised how this levy had affected him over a number of years, the cost of living crisis had clearly exasperated his situation. The amounts were broken down , Yearly and weekly to explain what he's lost.

The best thing people can do, if they've any doubts and perhaps better understand what was discussed, listen back,

It's roughly the last 15 minutes.

https://www.rte.ie/radio/podcasts/22106452-don-mclean-upcoming-irish-concert-car-hire-and-c/