FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119234323#Comment_119234323

Damn, missed that, always enjoy colm Brophy getting his bottom handed to him 😁

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119234341#Comment_119234341

I addressed your absurd response and comment "That's not true , but anyways " which was both petulant and inaccurate.

I'm 54 actually, not that it is relevant and I'm afraid the point is absolutely alot to this current government, most notably Roderic O'Gorman, who's completely and utterly out of his depth.

I'm very, very happy to share by PM reams of documentation I've received from the state agency dealing with with my time in state care and indeed correspondence from the religious order involved after years of requests if you are in doubt about my experience and trustworthyness on the matter.

I'd request if it's not too much to ask, to show even slightest bit of respect and perhaps stick to matters you have some basic understanding off.

ButtersSuki

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119234313#Comment_119234313

You dare me? Oooh, I'm scared. Seriously, how old are you?

You've made some serious assumptions about me, my sex, my opinions, and my attitudes to women. I'm neither sexist nor misogynistic and I don't need your seal of approval to know this. You post was frankly pathetic, and nothing more than a lowest common denominator/if all else fails play to the same woke crowd and galleries that McEntee courts. I couldn't care less whether she was male or female. What I care about as a tax payer and a constituent of hers is her performance.

I didn't attack her act of getting pregnant or comment on her sex in a negative way - as I said in an earlier post you've gone way out of your way to attempt to apply a false narrative to what I said and take offence on someone else's behalf. Had I said something like

"look at this silly woman getting pregnant again and she only back from her last maternity leave a wet week - how dare a woman have a job and children at the same time when there's plenty of men who could do that job instead of her"

- that would be both sexist and misogynistic; but that's not what I said, is it? Nor is it remotely in that ball-park.

In fact, had you bothered to read what I said in my subsequent follow-up post, I stated my concern for other, more-qualified women who might be tarnished by the same brush due to the (and I'm being kind here) underwhelming performance of the incumbent and have their careers curtailed as an unintended consequence of promoting someone so clearly out of their depth. Again, I'll state my criticism is based on her performance, not her sex.

My point was that at least she (or he) has at least done something in their time in office, as she has done precious little (if anything) of note since being appointed - bar congratulate herself on what seems like an almost daily basis on social media.

You've asked for examples where I criticize males. For context, I'm the poster with the highest post count on the Radio Forum. 99%+ of my posts are critical of the performance following presenters in order:

1. Joe Duffy
2. Ryan Tubridy
3. Paul Reynolds (ex-Newstalk)

All of the above are male.

If I was sexist and misogynistic, I'd concentrate mostly or indeed solely on the performance of female presenters. When Ciara Kelly was regularly called "the worst presenter on Newstalk" I always interjected and said Reynolds was significantly worse, which he was.

This "thing" that's emerged in certain parts of society in recent years whereby a female can't be criticized simply because she's a female really has to stop. Again, I couldn't care less whether the person is male or female, I comment on performance.

shirrup

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119234326#Comment_119234326

You're certainly in the minority, not only did Leos Dail rant against Doherty backfire, so too did his "standing up to bullys" defence like he used.

He's being torn to pieces all over social media today, many pointing out that Leo Varadkar consistently likes to punch down on many sections of society.

Honestly, fine gael need to jettison him. He's a serious dead weight and liability.

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119234466#Comment_119234466

And your experience or lack of or whatever has no basis for being on this thread. By all means, start a new thread.

My point to BB was his highly emotive charges were by and largely false. I'll stand by that. And for what it's worth I may know more about these matter than you think.

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119234410#Comment_119234410

Oh, some people on Twitter were upset by Leo?

We all know Twitter isn't real life.

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119234507#Comment_119234507

You commented on her having sex and getting pregnant as if that was the only thing she is capable of doing. If you don't understand the underhanded sexist and misogynist undertones in that point of view then perhaps you are not who you think you are. Maybe talk to some people in the real world.

You also don't want women of reproductive age having top jobs in case they get pregnant! That type of thinking belongs to the 1950s. So you are definitely a throwback.

As per your point about radio presenters, have you ever given out to a man for getting his wife/partner pregnant? Id so no, you have not.

TLDR: You outed yourself as sexist with no help from anyone else. Too bad if you get called out on it. Maybe next time keep your sexist comments to yourself.

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119234529#Comment_119234529

As I said before, Twitter is not real life. I think Leo will be OK and not care all that much when he gets the top job again in about 6 months' time.

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119234536#Comment_119234536

You could have ignored the post but typically went head first and made a factually incorrect assertion, either deliberately or foolishly, both as bad as one another.

The Whatever, Glib attitude, speaks volumes 🙄

And I remind you whilst an emotive subject it is absolutely relevant to a Thread relating to this current government, what part of this I your missing is beyond me, I suspect most right thinking people would agree its relevant.

shirrup

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119234563#Comment_119234563

Ha! Well firstly, FG and Leo are overly keen on twitter themselves, considering its "not real life" and also, Leo getting the top job again in six months will be heavily reliant on the DPP. The first Taoiseach to be either still at the centre of a criminal investigation, of the first Taoiseach awaiting trial wouldn't be a good look. Mind you Leo's record as leader has been dismal. Adding one of the above two scenarios to his CV could almost be counted as an achievement for him.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119233441#Comment_119233441

No you wouldn't.

It was pure sexism and misogyny. Commenting on a woman and saying her only achievement is to get pregnant says an awful lot about the person saying it and nothing about the woman.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119234301#Comment_119234301

It's incredible stuff.

I thought most people had moved beyond those 1930s ideas.

ButtersSuki

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119234560#Comment_119234560

Lol.

Where exactly did I say as you state:

"You also don't want women of reproductive age having top jobs in case they get pregnant! That type of thinking belongs to the 1950s. So you are definitely a throwback."

Please show me?

All you are doing is once again attempting to (badly) apply a false narrative to what I said in an attempt to (in your mind I'm sure) "win" your argument. You interpretation is so skewed it's frightening. Are you that brainwashed? Seriously?

ButtersSuki

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119234563#Comment_119234563

Twitter is not real life - except when Helen McEntee or Leo Varadkar use it.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119234179#Comment_119234179

We have the 2nd highest minimum wage, we have the highest social welfare rates, we are a small island on the edge of Europe and because of Brexit, don't have free trade with our nearest neighbours. We will always be one of the most expensive places in Europe because of that. It makes the efforts to find alternatives to fossil fuels even more critical for a country like ours.

Solutions to the cost of living problem? There aren't really very many and those that are, aren't palatable.

(1) Rejoin the UK: Removing trade barriers with the UK will bring down the price of foodstuffs imported from the UK which, thanks to Brexit, need an awful lot of paperwork.

(2) Cut the minimum wage: This would allow supermarkets, restaurants and hotels to save money and reduce prices.

(3) Remove truck drivers from the Working Time Act: This would cut the cost of shipping goods to Ireland. We can't stop the increase in fuel, that is driven by the Ukraine War, so the only other option is to cut the cost of drivers.

None of those options are realistic, they just show that it is all talk when it comes to addressing the cost of living. We don't control the money supply, the ECB do, we don't control the price of oil, we are a price-taker, ditto when it comes to major food commodities like wheat, pasta and vegetable oils. What could be done is radical, politically impossible and could have other unexpected consequences.

ButtersSuki

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119234301#Comment_119234301

The top jobs should go to those capable of doing the job - be they male or female. McEntee is not up to it - regardless of her sex.

ButtersSuki

Don't forget folks:

Leo Varadkar can't be criticized because he's gay.

Helen McEntee can't be criticized because she's a woman.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119234540#Comment_119234540

😁 What is being said on Twitter curiously matches their performance in the polls.

You keep codding yourself.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119234865#Comment_119234865

Don't be silly.

You are demeaning Helen McEntee by claiming the only thing she has achieved is getting pregnant. That is straight-up pure unadulterated misogyny.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119234853#Comment_119234853

Now, that criticism isn't sexist or misogynist.

However, your previous comments are sexist and misogynist.

Reflect and you will see the difference. You probably thought it a bit funny to make the remark about her only achievement being pregnant, just like the poster who adopted Leo's partners name probably thought it a bit funny. However, those types of things just aren't funny.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119234529#Comment_119234529

So he is being "torn to pieces" over social media today??? Sounds like the mature thing a group of bullies would do.

ButtersSuki

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119235104#Comment_119235104

You might do some reflection yourself.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119235118#Comment_119235118

Criticism isn't bullying. The party faithful are responding well to Leo's weaponising of the word. All criticism can now be termed bullying, misogyny or homophobia. As transparent as it is pathetic tbh.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119235190#Comment_119235190

A man stands up to a bully, and the mob jump on him, while you and others cheerlead them on?

Quite a good look, don't you think?

Brucie Bonus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119234144#Comment_119234144

So you can quote people saying they are okay with Putin's forcing raping and killing Ukrainians? You can't. You made it up for colour. Low.

We know the state was aware of everything. We know Garda were involved. We know they tried to white wash reports over the years. We know there's a mass burial dump of dead infants in Tuam, still not exhumed or given dignity.

Just today on the news at one the son of a man killed in the Dublin bombing spoke on how the state did nothing to support them or push to investigate. How they had to campaign for years for a memorial to the dead. Thats the calibre of decades of FF/FG government. They don't want to rock the boat for fear it will cost them seats or favour.

BonnieSituation

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119234865#Comment_119234865

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119235086#Comment_119235086

And by continuing to do so he's playing into the hands of the more disingenuous posters like yourself Blanch.

We get it @ButtersSuki. Can we move on to something more relevant.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119235204#Comment_119235204

Who got 'bullied'?

Leo had a right to reply, nobody silenced him. He chose to go back 25 years in an effort to silence his questioner.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119235225#Comment_119235225

Abandoned them for fear they might have to be critical of the British government. A cancer deeply prevalent in the history of the power swap sadly.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119235230#Comment_119235230

I am confused. Is that a mod intervention? Are you now a mod?

Brucie Bonus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119235242#Comment_119235242

Same with not wanting to upset the church. Add to that Flanagan and Varadkar looking to honour the tans/ric. Simpering self involved charlatans.

shirrup

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119235118#Comment_119235118

You will need to have a word with your fellow traveller on this thread "Brendan" if this is your stance, because it was only a few days ago he was posting about Leo tearing Doherty a new one. Bullying so? And when you're finished with Brendan have a wee word with Marko too. Cos Marko says Twitter ain't the real world and so what people say in there does not count.

Very contradictory.

BonnieSituation

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119235264#Comment_119235264

You're easily confused these days.

For the avoidance of doubt, lest I be accused of back seat modding, I was merely getting exhausted with this culture war nonsense clogging up the thread. I'm sure I'm not alone.

As I said several times, there's enough to criticise this government about without commenting on Helen McEntee's pregnancy. Why that poster is so obsessed over it is beyond me. Continuing the conversation down that road just allows the disingenuous government cheerleaders like yourself to avoid any proper discussion.

"Nothing to see here" as it were.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119235282#Comment_119235282

I am having a word with you, not with them. Don't retreat back to the tired bully defence of the other guy started it.

You gloat that he is being "torn to pieces" over social media today??? It really does sound like the mature thing a group of bullies would do.

shirrup

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119235349#Comment_119235349

Silly me for not making myself clear. When I posted "torn to pieces" I didn't mean literally/physically torn to pieces on twitter.

I meant his obvious BS line of defence, that he was standing up to being bullied.

How can a presumably functioning adult have misunderstood that?

Brucie Bonus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119235204#Comment_119235204

A brat used a 20 odd year old incident to deflect from a question about the plight of the public.

All the while women are bullied out of FG and you are silent.

conorhal

How long has it been since a criminal investigation was opened against Leo? Is it going on 3 years now or something like that?

Why is the DPP dragging their heels (we can guess why), and what's the hold up? Has there been any statement on it lately? I'm genuinely asking as Iv'e not been keeping up with this, but the length of time it's taking to 'conduct and investigation' and the DPP to make a decision on the case seems extraordinary to the point of teetering on the edge of corruption in and of itself.

Irelandsnumberone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119235471#Comment_119235471

Last said about it was Leo telling Pearse the 'COURTS' would decide if he was guilty or not, even pointing out the courts already decided Pearse was guilty of his offence after he stated the Courts would decide.

I know Leo is a liar and not to be trusted but i take this as he knows himself (or has been told) he will have his day in court so to speak

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119235289#Comment_119235289

You can't see it.

You clearly acknowledge that a poster obsessed over commenting on Helen McEntee's pregnancy is wrong, yet you also criticise those who call it out. All because that poster happens to be on "your side" to use a phrase used on here often.

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119235501#Comment_119235501

I agree and said so earlier in the Thread, it was perhaps a slip of the tongue during his unhinged rampage but he knows something clearly.

The cynic in me thinks this is all about timing, if and it's still an if, a person is sent forward for Trial at this stage its highly likely a trial wouldn't take place until after the next rotation of convenience in terms of who's Taoiseach.

Could of course be all a coincidence but given the "Investigation" has taken this long, DPP in possession of the File and Leo's slip of the Tongue, one just wonders (aloud ) 🤔🤔🤔

Brucie Bonus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119235501#Comment_119235501

He's an in with the judiciary. Maybe Seamus slipped him a confidential document about it.

Cluedo Monopoly

They always use the sexist/mysogeny card to avoid criticism but bring up the ongoing treatment or justice for the Mother and Baby home survivors and it's complete silence or loads of whataboutery. Fake. The Greens were left to clean up that legacy mess and were then thwarted at every opportunity.

8 years to excavate an unmarked mass grave of children. It hasn't even started. Some country, some government.

Dempo1

And this outrageous performance and accusations from Darragh O Brien earlier.

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1539597682355933185

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119235471#Comment_119235471

Thats New Politics Fine Gael style. A lot of back scratching goes on.

ButtersSuki

Helen McEntee performing completely vital dutie below. I mean there's no-one else but a Senior Cabinet Minister who could possibly perform such tasks esp. with the Dail breaking up shortly, and all of the other issues going on around us. Is this really what the Minister for Justice should be doing in these unprecedented times?

Less tweeting and more work please.

https://twitter.com/HMcEntee/status/1538813456652042240?s=20&t=uvUTcryr-Pz53dw7anX0Lg

#SelfieTime! Completely appropriate Ministerial behaviour alright.

https://twitter.com/HMcEntee/status/1538823175408058368?s=20&t=hjfVvzqgW5SpP_v9fgJYXg

And this - a day out to open a Citizen's Information Office in Nenagh. FFS.🙄

https://twitter.com/GarretAhearn/status/1527287839301390336

And a kitchen:

https://twitter.com/HMcEntee/status/1524711336235749378?s=20&t=hjfVvzqgW5SpP_v9fgJYXg

I mean who else on the planet (let alone Ireland) could do this work? When I think of the Minister for Justice and what the job entails opening kitchens and Information centres and taking selfies are right up there. We're lucky to have her!

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119234575#Comment_119234575

What the government did 30-40 years ago is not relevant to what the government is doing today. So shoehorn your own legacy issues in another thread... which you are more than welcome in doing.

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119234722#Comment_119234722

Dont be silly, you said it there in black and white.

I'm glad to see she's at least done something with her time in politics.

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It deserves someone who can commit to it full-time and not be absent for two long sabbaticals

Now you are trying to pretend you actually meant something else entirely.... but alas its there.

Pity, this was a chance to actually learn and grow but your sexism and misogyny was too much for you to admit that you did wrong here.

Irelandsnumberone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119235799#Comment_119235799

Does this also mean anything Sinn Fein done/did/maybe did 30/40 years ago is off limits when talking about them considering the GFA and there transition into politics or are they different?

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119235799#Comment_119235799

O Dear, here we ago again, I commented on the fact Blanch mentioned she /he worked in a ministeral office 30 years ago, I said, I'd at least hope things were better then etc.

Can you please keep up

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119234853#Comment_119234853

Why did you make comment on her ability to do the job and refer to her sex and ability to get pregnant so?

Maybe because you are a misogynist?

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119235699#Comment_119235699

Carol Nolan engaged in Dog Whistle politics.