FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3

jmcc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119309491#Comment_119309491

The problem is that apart from turf, Ireland has very little in the way of oil or gas. Smog was a serious problem in Dublin in the 1980s and 1970s but for many people, buring coal and turf was a cheap and effective way of heating their homes. There were, I think, Irish power stations buring coal as well as power stations buring turf. The hypocisy of intellectually challenged, virtue signalling, true believers waffling about how damaging burning turf is to the environment while China and India commission new coal burning power stations (they are much greater than Ireland's contribution to Global Warming and "Climate Change" (the climate on this planet is continually changing and has been since it was formed)) shows how completely ignorant those people are of reality.

Mentioning nuclear power as possible alternative is enough to have these people foam at the mouth in rage. There was a proposal for a nuclear power station in Ireland in the 1970s (Carnsore?) but that didn't happen. The war in the Ukraine and the sanctions against Russia show how exposed Ireland is when it comes to fuel supplies but FFG has to appease the Greens. The Greens have them by the short and curlies.

Regards...jmcc

Dempo1

Honestly fascinates me how some don't actually get politics or understand how it works in Ireland , particularly certain issues that may on the surface seem irrelevant or Trivial to them or the country as a whole. Look at the Mica crisis, I don't honestly know how many impacted but I'd say safe to say its a rural and quite localised issue and yet look how its impacted on this government.

Turf may seem a trivial thing, perhaps if I was living in Dublin or another urban location, I'd not fully understand how important it is to Rural folk.

I've learned something over 20 years living in Rural Ireland and that is this ,

All politics is Local and never more so than now. Rural based Government TD'S are suddenly realising this. I'm actually not a fan of Parish pump politics if I'm being totally honest, but on this issue I'm impacted and will fight tooth a nail on the issue and make absolutely no apologies.

No reasonable person dispute pollution Data but I'm afraid when folks have two immediate options, worry about the environment or Freeze for the winter, the choice is quite frankly not that difficult.

This aside from those who'll struggle to afford to heat their homes this winter.

Brucie Bonus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119309485#Comment_119309485

Okey doke. My point is you and your fellow travelers are the ones coming in on the attack. Calling people racists and putin supporters ffs. Rest of us are discussing the government not attacking social media or making up sensational claims.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119309534#Comment_119309534

Agreed. Although I think a reduction in turf needs to be nuanced rather than blanket.

We should indeed be creating and encouraging more self sufficient energy alternatives. It seems any moves we make in that are more token. If we put the same effort we do in enabling data centers and the like.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119309394#Comment_119309394

The government incompetent managment of regulations shafted these people Mark…the government are running from accountability for that.

Why would they attack a party that had nothing to do with it and who support them?

Take your time thinking it through. Sheesh!

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119309435#Comment_119309435

He wasnt helping Ukrainians Mark, he was ‘virtue signalling’ that he might in the future.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119309426#Comment_119309426

Not really as others signalled they would bring one if SF didn’t this time.

Might be a hot summer and a long winter for the minority government

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119309550#Comment_119309550

Other countries are pushing ahead with alternatives and we are talking about turf. If we need to use turf as a last minute resource we can get it no problem. It's not like it's going to get up and walk away.

If we have an energy crisis during the winter I will be surprised if the answer is turf.

We should be ploughing ahead with the alternatives now. Making ourselves as self sufficient as possible.

jmcc

How damaging will this MNOC be to the stability of the FFG government?

Will the government last until the budget now that it is a minority government? (Will FFG have to indulge in pork barrel politics to get it passed?)

Will the potential leadership challenge in FF result in Martin suffering the same fate as his one time Bertie Ahern cabinet colleague Cowen? (Removed as FF leader but remaining taoiseach.)

Will FF/FG TDs frustrate Ryan's war on turf?

Regards...jmcc

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119309658#Comment_119309658

Precisely 😉

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119309767#Comment_119309767

So many possibilities, none a waste of time from an onlookers point of view.

I'd only be concerned that someone will have to pick up the pieces of the mess left behind, probably unlikely the MONC will succeed but I'll have my popcorn ready 😉

jmcc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119309807#Comment_119309807

It is the pork barrel politics thing that is going to really cause problems for the budget if there are any more FFG losses. The Independents have form on this and will know which buttons to press. I think that if the budget fails to pass then the government falls. I think that the mica issue and the turf issues will be mentioned during the MNOC speeches but the focus will be on Housing and that's where FFG is weakest.

Regards...jmcc

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119309829#Comment_119309829

Yes absolutely agree, no one doubts housing or lack of it and cost of living, Mica are priorities, Turf is not a major issue in the over all context of things of course.

I'd personally preffered a MONC in Darragh O Brien and or specific incompetent ministers.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119309677#Comment_119309677

Ahhh, so this isn't about confidence in the government, it is about who leads the opposition. Grubbing around in the dirt for what falls from the top table.

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119309658#Comment_119309658

No, he was making a commitment to help rebuild the country.

Just like now, we are helping over 30,000 Ukrainians. I guess you don't like them being here either?

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119309647#Comment_119309647

You are making a hash of your argument. There are only so many votes in Donegal and the polls shows us that there will be 2 government seats coming out of there. The Mica lads will drain votes from the other cranks.

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119309677#Comment_119309677

Yes really, as they cannot bring another MoC this year, once this one fails.

Cluedo Monopoly

The purpose of the No Confidence vote is to embarrass Independent TDs who vote for the Coalition of Chaos for favours.

It's forcing them to condone such FFG highlights as hospital waiting lists, the housing disaster, the rental market disaster, A&E chaos, homelessness figures, cuckoo funds, National debt levels, the Childrens hospital, local government corruption/waste, the revised National Broadband Plan, a failing Climate Action Plan, treatment of clerical abuse survivors, cronyism etc etc etc.

A few backbenchers will be very uncomfortable too but many of them know their days are numbered.

I hope the government survive the vote. I really do. I expect they will but at what cost to votes.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119309951#Comment_119309951

Simon Coveney was in Dublin when he said it blanch.

Dempo1

So MM was over in Kyiv discussing the Rebuilding of Ukraine was he now , whilst Things in Ireland in such a state , his priorities are clearly elsewhere, Virtue signalling and besides he'll be long gone before Ukraine even starts Rebuilding, I suppose its not enough to Take in near 40k refugees, with little or no controls, extraordinarly generous supports and put aside €3 billion next year to help fund on going Virtue signalling whilst making pronouncements there's no magic Money tree when it comes to tackling problems at home 😳 Bonkers stuff altogether and this aside from lack of housing and infrastructure to deal with this Virtue signalling nonsense.

The €2k dinner mentioned again 🙄 , despite evidence SF will get absolutely no income from the event which is being organised by the Australian Chamber of commerce. The comparison with MM travelling to Kyiv is just bizzare , but interestingly, MLM is actually meeting the Irish communities over there as well as supporting the event , it may be a cause of bitterness, Leo would struggle to attract such Ticket prices at a table but he could have gone too but obviously not enough to fill his Twitter feed to bother attending.

MM visit to Kyiv was pointless, presumably costly , albeit no absurd hullabaloo over who was protecting him as with Coveneys visit. Nothing more than a photo OP and Virtue signalling, I'd doubt he thought much about Ukraine before March 2022 and will care less if ousted but maybe might rekindle interest again if he gets a Job in Europe which seems , his, Leo and Coveneys goal.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119309961#Comment_119309961

It politics blanch and as HISTORY shows they will all do this.

In my opinion and a lot of pundits, the outcome will be of interest.

If you were not attached to a party you would see this too and be as interested.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119310119#Comment_119310119

SDs, Inds, PBP Lab can all bring one. Don't be worrying mark, there is plenty to hold the government to account.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119310213#Comment_119310213

I can't believe there is a single real person out there who shares your belief that MM's visit to Kyiv was pointless and merely virtue signalling, thereby logically making it less important than MLMD's shindig junket to Australia.

Absurd.

A free trip and dinner to Australia is more important??? Lads, the sun has got to you today.

skimpydoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119310115#Comment_119310115

The other cranks as you call them are fully behind the Mica lads so why would they loose votes and seats. Only government TD's will loose seats because what the government is doing for Mica does not go far enough.

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119310213#Comment_119310213

Wow that was some rant

Taoiseach goes over to support a country in the middle of a war and this is the reaction from someone who wants to talk about turf

Well done MM and the rest of the government for showing our support to Ukraine people. This is what the majority of the Irish people are all about, showing our support to a country when it needs it.

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119310295#Comment_119310295

Nothing absurd at all and I'm certainly not alone in my opinion of the silly, utterly pointless trip , I know you'll disapprove but lots of verified reactions on Twitter and indeed on a number of threads.

As for free Travel , I don't presume to know MLM 's travel arrangements but Leo certainly had , perhaps reach out and perhaps ask how he got those very specific details 😏

Brucie Bonus

On the head...

https://twitter.com/DrHaroldNews/status/1545396291034914817?t=7Yow7jzngHsIGwkKzw5ObA&s=19

MM says he's looking forward to laying out all the government's achievements. Read off a post-it?

Dempo1

Actually what's more fascinating is that Sneaky meeting of the FF parliamentary Meeting in MM absence, got more media attention than his silly Trip to Kyiv 😁

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119310318#Comment_119310318

Wasn't Leo at Wimbledon during the week...IN THE MIDDLE OF A HOUSING AND COST OF LIVING CRISS????

Oh my gawd how dare he.

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119310343#Comment_119310343

You can't say that 🤣🤣 but I do hope he enjoyed the strawberries and cream , delightful, I'm told albeit a little pricey 😁

Humble pie, however quite Bitter 😏

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119310343#Comment_119310343

Not sure why you are asking here? It’s the opposition supporters who have a 24x 7 surveillance on government TDs, imagine he once went to a concert in his spare time, the cheek of him

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119307765#Comment_119307765

I have no emotional investment in this but my credulity at SF claiming to be a serious party I will admit is being stretched at both the perceived need and the absurd timing of it but far be it from me to deny people a chance to celebrate the mediocre.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119310387#Comment_119310387

Sure...no emotional investment. 😁 You have just taken the time to comment on it.

sam t smith

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119307508#Comment_119307508

Get up the yard is threatening? 😏

FFS. 😏

Gerr'up outta dat! 😏

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119310396#Comment_119310396

Well, it would be most rude not to comment on such a stellar post and you are most welcome to my contribution.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119310363#Comment_119310363

24/7 surveillance? 😁 The paranoia!

jmcc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119310387#Comment_119310387

It is politics and it will dominate the last week of the Dail's session. It also has the added entertainment value of getting the FFG supporters on Social Media increasingly upset as the try to defend the performance of the government. As can be seen, the main point of attack for these people is SF. That effectively reduces the Opposition to SF. Not SF, the SocDems, PBP etc but simply SF. The other parties don't get much of a mention in the news cycle as a result. It is amazing to watch the FFG supporters on SM being played like this.

Regards...jmcc

Dempo1

Get up the Yard , I love it....

I quoted how it can be interpreted (look up its meaning), not what thought it was intended to mean ,but actually on reflection it's just an embarrassingly silly expression.

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119310431#Comment_119310431

It might be of interest for certain columnists as they really have nothing better to talk about. A certain Indo political opinion writer tops that list every time. SM is really a place where people just don't know any better and it makes even the worst of engagements on here seem like a Mensa discussion! Yes it is all about SF and news cycles and will be over just as quickly. I'm not sure trying to piss off the rest of the Opposition is smart if that is what this genius plan is about, one day they may be needed.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119310456#Comment_119310456

About time people got over SM. It is as much a part of politics as tallymen and pollsters.

Bobtheman

On what issue?

Bobtheman

I find it funny that the two green TDs who lost the whip say that they have been left in limbo.

Personally I see the Greens as the weakest link.

I personally see an election in 2023.

skimpydoo

MM and Darragh O'Brien whose birthday it is today said they look forward to listing out all the government's achievements. Can any of the government supporters on here list these so called achievements?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119310500#Comment_119310500

Renamed passport express is the main one!

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119310500#Comment_119310500

I don't believe it's possible I share my birthday with this chancer 😳😏

jmcc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119310456#Comment_119310456

Apart from the heavily ideologically driven and geographically concentrated parties like PBP, many of the current opposition TDs were elected partially on SF transfers. That means that in a GE where those transfers are not available, it will be much more difficult for those TDs to be reelected.

That claim by an FFer in that meeting that FF had become transfer toxic was interesting. The effect of transfers disappearing was demonstrated with the collapse of Labour in 2016. It had always depended on transfers from FF and FG. There were other factors in Labour going from 37 seats in 2011 to just 7 in 2016. The general FF sentiment, based on that meeting, is not exactly pro-FG despite Martin sacrificing the party for his own ambition to be taoiseach. SF does not seem to be pissing off the other opposition parties. The FFers seem to be getting tired of Martin's appeasement of FG. Some of them might have considered a coalition with SF after 2020 preferable except that SF did so well in terms of seats. FG, being the weaker party, was more attractive to FF and left Martin be taoiseach for half the government's term. SF has emerged as the leading party of the opposition despite the attempted rehabilitation of Labour by the media. The media, I think, preferred the old Tweedledee, Tweedledumb and Tweedledumber 2.5 party model of FF/FG/Labour. Some columnists act like it, rather than the Big Three model, is still the dominant model in Irish politics.

Regards...jmcc

Brucie Bonus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119310468#Comment_119310468

More so. Its social media, emphasis on the social. Its a platform for the public to interact. The views are no different in the pubs and bingo halls.

Hey look, we're number three on another list...

Rent increases in Ireland since 2010 third highest in EU

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/housing-planning/2022/07/08/rent-increases-in-ireland-since-2010-third-highest-in-eu/

jmcc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119310523#Comment_119310523

And that's what scares political parties. The idea that people could talk to each other and exchange views without an overpaid and underintellected team of spindoctors telling people what they should believe destroyed the power structure represented by the media. With the media of decades ago, the government of the day only had to influence a few people to get a story across. With SM, that kind of control is gone. That's why Varadkar was quoted as proposing fake accounts to talk up government policies and FG policies being 'liked' by bot accounts in India and Pakistan.

Regards...jmcc

skimpydoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119310509#Comment_119310509

I don't believe so either which is why I asked, I wanted to see what the FFG supporters would say on here.

On a positive note Happy Birthday and I hope all the people who post on here will wish you likewise.

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119310611#Comment_119310611

Thank you, 55, hard to believe, made it this far 😂 and I just checked it is his birthday 😳 the only thing I'd have in common with him 😉

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119310419#Comment_119310419

yet soon after we have information on a government TDs birthday

Im still trying to figure out why this is relevant to any discussion but seemingly it’s of interest to some people

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119310500#Comment_119310500

Saving thousands of lives during covid to start….