FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119316651#Comment_119316651

Agreed but we dont have a good track record here and minister only recently brought forward the vacant property tax (next budget)

Councils not collecting vacant site levies due - Independent.ie

More than half of the country’s local authorities have not collected a single euro of the vacant site levy from landowners since its introduction in 2018, according to new figures obtained from the Department of Housing.

They also reveal only 8pc of money due for payment under the levy last year was collected by various city and county councils.

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119316678#Comment_119316678

If all else fails mention the RIC event 🤦‍♂️

BonnieSituation

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119316653#Comment_119316653

Burning turf is A problem.

jmcc

This is interestng. Verona Murphy (Independent) is voting against the goverment.

https://twitter.com/NextIrishGE/status/1546093148438499330

Verona Murphy was an FG candidate in 2020 until Varadkar decided to appease the morons in the Dublin media with virtue signallng. She won a seat and Varadkar lost a seat that FG had effectively won.

Regards...jmcc

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119316620#Comment_119316620

Building house/apartment good one minute and next minute they are bad. Hard to keep up here

I think the easiest way to work it out is when the housing crisis getting worse then it seems a lot of the posters on here happy…..

Brucie Bonus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119316089#Comment_119316089

I don't put any more weight in it than I do gossip, unless from a verified source. Anyone ridiculing it for not being Reuters or Lexus nexus needs to change their view. Its an online free for all. Just because many politicians still can't get to grips with that and still aren't use to having no control over what the public hear about says more about them. Imagine a prominent politician walking into a pub and sitting with a random bunch of punters, thats what social media is. If they are only use to interacting with party stooges I can see why they might get upset.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119316772#Comment_119316772

She is cut from FG cloth, but she was too outspoken about her beliefs on re-education camps for asylum seekers. Then there was accusations of bullying.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119316835#Comment_119316835

In to tackle the perceived intent of the posters rather than the housing **** show I see.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119316678#Comment_119316678

Yep, FF being controlled now by a cabal who have effectively merged with FG. They have zero interest in offering anything different.

The battle for the party still has to play out/be fought IMO. Will be juicy and nasty when a front is opened up, which this seems to be.

jmcc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119316984#Comment_119316984

She isn't just cut from FG cloth. She is FG (or rather was) more so than Varadkar. It was a comment about unvetted asylum seekers coming in from the UK, I think. Transport operators all got briefings on it as they were stowing away in lorries, I think and she mentioned it. She was the leader of a haulage operators association so they would have been aware of the situation. That didn't play well with the morons in the Dublin media and Varadkar sacrificed an FG seat to appease them rather than putting the interests of FG winning seats first. It demonstrated how Varadkar was completely out of his depth in terms of party politics.

FG has lost seats in every election since he became its leader. It would be no surprise if he managed to cause the government to lose the MNOC with some stupid comment. Martin has to play the adult and try get support from the Independents.

Regards...jmcc

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119316984#Comment_119316984

If so concerned about the housing crisis why not ask why parties continue to block houses and apartments daily all over Ireland. Dragging heels on approvals etc to increase the issue

Don't make me laugh with the faux concern, running around gloating everytime the numbers are released if they increase.

Why not go to the party you support and ask what they are doing to help? I doubt you will, no prefer to see people on the street while you cheer about the problem increasing.

Try and deny it but these threads are full of the same posters cheering on as the crisis gets worse.

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119316651#Comment_119316651

The stories about vacant properties are long and incorrect. Fact is LL would prefer to keep some properties free till they get the right tenant than let in dodgy tenants. The same can be said of deluxe apartment blocks which if people are already renting they will expect similar people to rent in the property. That's why they pay higher rents. Like it or not but that's how the World works.

The laws have been changed so getting rid of bad tenants is almost impossible, I seen a person here who let their own property out while travelling and then when they returned the people refused to move out. They had to take them to court. That's how crazy the system is.

The only way to resolve this is to build, like in Dublin the shortfall of houses/apartment not built between 2014 - 2019 is still been made up. Once the demand is met then prices will level out. The problem is the shortfall can't be caught up with because thousands of building projects are getting rejected and slowed down by parties playing tactics because it is better for the housing crisis to continue. In some cases the properties finally get built but after years of delay which of course means the backup keeps to build.

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119317176#Comment_119317176

I think this may have tipped Verona over the edge , she mentioned she met "with her people' on the week in politics. She was president of the Irish Road Hauliers association and former business partner still very prominent in the association.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40913633.html

jmcc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119316997#Comment_119316997

It is funny to see the same dynamics of the 1918 GE playing out with the "haves" (the old IPP) being the FFs with ministerial positions, and the have-nots being the FFers without ministerial positions. The IPP were too dependent on their position as the House Paddies to make up the numbers for votes in the House of Commons. The FFers who are too close to FG are also the House Paddies in a similar sense. The 1918 GE had a much larger vote due to the extension of the franchise to people who would not previously have been able to vote. (Thnk of those who had grown up during the aftermath of the bursting of the property bubble being able to vote and voting SF rather than FF/FG.) The electorate that repeatedly gave FF/FG over 80% of the votes in past GEs has changed and the FF/FG share of the vote is continuing to drop.

The IPP was shown up as only representing a small percentage of the electorate who had beneifted from British misrule in Ireland. The FFers who are close to FG also are at risk of being seen to represent a small, well-off percentage fo the electorate while the larger FF party has more in common with SF than it would appear.

The things being proposed by these FFers do seem to be trying to get FF back to the old Left of centre FF. It could escalate to a split in FF as the House Paddy element of FFers with ministerial position (and too close to FG) seek to safeguard their positions at the cabinet table.

The realisation dawning on some of these FFers that FF was the biggest party and was being stomped on by FG is going to cause a lot of problems for FG. The worst case is that some of these FFers will vote against the government to save their own seats but that's very unlikely given that they have other options such as the Ard Fheis. There's no guarantee that these FFers will vote for Varadkar in December.

Regards...jmcc

Suckit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119317190#Comment_119317190

Why are the government not doing anything to stop multinational consortiums coming in to buy up all the properties when they are built? And up until this budget, not doing anything to stop them from sitting on them. FG have literally done nothing for the housing crisis since they got into power, a more useless bunch there has never been.

It took FF to join up with them and a major pushback from the general public, for them to acknowledge there was enough of a problem that they should actually do something instead of talking about it. If there is any faux concern about the housing crisis, it is coming from the government, in particular the FG part of it, but I don't think there is even that. It looks far more like they have run out of options to put it off any longer.

jmcc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119317258#Comment_119317258

Don't forget that road haulage is big business in Wexford due to Rosslare. FG needs instinctive politicians rather than preening fops like Varadkar.

Regards...jmcc

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119317436#Comment_119317436

Indeed 😏 thought it was curious the day she announced her decision to vote against government, that article in the examiner 😏

Verified Newspaper, incidently 😁

jmcc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119317464#Comment_119317464

The Greens being screwed on some Climate Change restrictions that were due next week may also be coincidental.

Regards...jmcc

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119317480#Comment_119317480

I heard that , some delay in one of their prized program for government pledges 🤔 shocking treatment of a coalition partner 😁Pippa was mumbling uncontrollably so couldn't make out what she was talking about half of time this morning.

Brucie Bonus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119317190#Comment_119317190

I support many of the obstructions put in place to build often not fit for purpose bad deals for tax payers.

So you believe nobody is concerned about housing? You don't think the public in the throws of it care? I can see how convenient it would be to try fool yourself nobody cares.

You are confusing bemusement at the actions of government with cheering on a crisis.

Irelandsnumberone

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/politics/arid-40914935.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

🍿 Time

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119317731#Comment_119317731

Apparently neither of the 2 suspended Green TD'S have even been contacted by their parties leadership to see how they'll vote , quite extraordinary.

jmcc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119317731#Comment_119317731

The problem for the Greens is that when Labour was obliterated in 2016, some of the people who would have supported or joined Labour started supporting the Greens. Some even got elected in 2020. There was a coup attempt against Ryan that failed. Some of them left and set up the Left Greens or Green Left but that party hasn't done much. It would be foolish of FF/FG to think that all the Greens are as dependable as Eamon Ryan.

Regards...jmcc

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119317650#Comment_119317650

Of course you support them because a certain party told you too. Never mind the people affected by those houses/apartment not getting built

Its the “I’m alright Jack so f**k you” attitude from the opposition and supporters.

I don’t care if houses don’t get built because they I can complain on the internet about it.

Sure why would a polticial party give a sh**e about houses not getting built? It’s not like any of them if affected, read out some Dear xYZ letter in the Dail with faux outrage and then walk in laughing at the pleb who think they care.

Floppybits

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119318646#Comment_119318646

Is that for the FFG government supporters? That has been their attitude.

Dempo1

I'm quite embarrassed to admit Pippa ran in my constituency last GE .

Why O Why is she sent out to to bat , I understand FFG TD'S in hiding but mother of God she thinks its all putins fault 🙄

https://twitter.com/rtetwip/status/1546129585896673281

jmcc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119318800#Comment_119318800

Well she wasn't elected. She's a senator rather than a TD. The whole clip looks like something from "The Thick Of It".

Regards...jmcc

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119318800#Comment_119318800

Familiar to here - can’t debate so fires out the Putin shite

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119319087#Comment_119319087

Remind me who constantly thinks debating is slapping up some comment from twitter or even better, a twitter comment from a fake news website

And of course if that fails, mention the RIC event

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119319117#Comment_119319117

Remind me who has nothing to offer but scolding other posters who have the temerity to criticise FF and their partners?

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119319028#Comment_119319028

Yes thankfully never elected , mind numbingly out of touch .

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119319087#Comment_119319087

Oddly enough it was a question from Aine lawlor that set her off on a tangent.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119319276#Comment_119319276

Ineffably stupid. Reach for the populist insult rather than address issues.

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119315990#Comment_119315990

I'm sure some of the money experts could advise Her constituent. That one less bottle of champers per day add up to a saving enough for the heating bill. Or not have the pool heated when not using it 😚 Even turning off the lights in the room your not in.

Brucie Bonus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119318646#Comment_119318646

Okay horse, forget me for 5 minutes.

You accept there's a housing crisis that continues to get worse? If so, do you accept there are people who support no party that are pretty browned off?

All you do is use your perception that everyone is biased to try ignore the real issue of housing.

If you want 'im alright jack', look at FF/FG insisting on really poor housing policy despite it obviously making matters worse.

Dempo1

On a lighter note 😁

Night all

https://twitter.com/DrHaroldNews/status/1546200402244374534

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119319451#Comment_119319451

Why forget about you? you support a party that is trying to make the housing crisis worse daily then you come on here to gloat about it?

So yes you are the "I'm alright jack". The supporters of FF/FG/Greens want the issue resolved in housing, that is shown on this thread and others.

You keep accusing people of ignoring the housing crisis or "deflection" when nobody is. So try a new one. Everyone on here had admitted Ireland has a housing crisis.

Laughable you talk about housing policy, the housing policy at the moment is to get people houses/apartments. But you don't give a shi*e about that do you? prefer to slap a party on the back while they keep people on the street. But sure why do you care?

Not happy when it's pointed out to you?

As I posted before, if you actually gave a sh*te you would go to your local representative and tell them to stop the shi*e, according to you lot the next election is already won, tell them to stop the shi*te and get people into houses now. Will you? not a chance.

skimpydoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119316139#Comment_119316139

When did I mention private photos of a TD? You also mention posting from a fake news website, can you enlighten us which website you are referring to?

Again you state we are laughing at the housing crisis where did you pull that one from? I have never laughed at the housing crisis.

I have also never mentioned the RIC event on here.

You see what you want to see and not the reality which is valid criticism of the government.

Brucie Bonus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119319637#Comment_119319637

Japers, forget as in try stay on a topic without putting in your fake made up ideas of people that suit your narrative. I don't support SF and am not a member. It shouldn't matter either way if you had the wherewithal to speak on topic without using your made up ideas on others and stuck to the topic.

You're rambling and ranting here and all against things you made up.

I support every party that blocks **** builds.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119319684#Comment_119319684

I mentioned the RIC/Tans event a few weeks ago and he accused me of always mentioning it.

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119319751#Comment_119319751

Nobody is rambling or ranting.

My narrative is to solve the housing crisis? Yes I know you don’t support solving it, That exactly what I’m saying.

Suckit

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Irelandsnumberone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119319789#Comment_119319789

Could you please let FG know your plans as they have had 11 years now at it and are failing spectacularly

Suckit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119319637#Comment_119319637

Let us not forget who caused this housing crisis, and then who also did absolutely nothing about it when it was getting way out of hand, Now the developers are prospering from it and often controlling it.

Coveney's very poor stint as housing minister is overlooked, not because he didn't fail at the gig, which he did, but because the minister who came after him, Eoghan Murphy, was so bad, people often forget Coveney was even a housing minister in the first place

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fine-gael-and-fianna-fail-caused-the-housing-crisis-they-cannot-fix-it-1.4665466

Dempo1

Just listing to morning Ukraine (sorry Ireland) and my god the first half hour desperately staying clear of matters closer to home. Theyve discussed the conservatiive Party leadership contest and a bizzare piece about the history of Bonfires in Northern Ireland. Now on to sport, finally a mention of the MONC, 40 minutes into the broadcast.

It's beggar's belief that the national broadcaster Flag ship news and current affairs programme avoiding the various elephants in the room.

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119319589#Comment_119319589

There is no longer any story. It's all over now with the confirmed McHugh and MacSharry votes, not that it wasn't likely to fail anyway but Nessa can flirt with the media all she wants.

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119320081#Comment_119320081

Apart from the little matter of MONC, there are many stories the National broadcaster could be covering , Housing, Cost of Living crisis, Health service crisis, indeed a curious story about a former Department General Secretary and Uber lobbying, Green Ministers taking Business class flights, Shenanigans at ABP, the not quite finished GP contract debacle, Navan Hospital protests over the weekend, Still unresolved MICA issue to name but a few Topics..

Now, Ametur Boxing up for discussion 🙄, Jack Chambers has dropped in, perhaps he might shed some light on matters political when he's finished talking about earth shattering important news on Boxing.

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119319882#Comment_119319882

Has anyone forgot? also if we want an adult conversation you need to look at all the people involved but I doubt you want that.

Incorrect on did absolutely nothing as well, but I am sure you are aware of that. They did something

So you share an article from a journalist which is behind a paywall. But I take the article is complaining because the government is trying to fix the problem?

So you think it is worse to try fix the problem than the opposition parties which are trying to make the problem worse?

Have you worked out the issue yet?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119319860#Comment_119319860

The government is in place since 2020

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119320124#Comment_119320124

The only new story in there is that boxing vote and the rest of them have nothing new to show, so not current news.

Dempo1

Jack Chambers claiming contact has been made with the two rouge Green TD'S by the Green chief Whip, this contradicts what Nessa said over the weekend, Jack was able to confirm these naughty government TD'S have yet to make up their minds.

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119320136#Comment_119320136

Indeed nothing new to show, that says it all, Government inaction.

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119320124#Comment_119320124

They are trying to gain and keep viewers. If you think repeating the same information over and over for affect is what people want to hear you are sadly mistaken

Dempo1

Lol gain and keep viewers by avoiding real news 🙄

Not sure if your listening but a very tragic and shocking story now being discussed (actual news worthy), MM apparently far to busy to engage in what by any measure is shocking.