FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119372999#Comment_119372999

Poor old Pearse, a quick review of a thread on here about removing the cash in Kerry the reaction is mostly "who cares". Between this and turf burning sure Pearse will be telling us all soon that the internet should be banned. So much for "change" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Im sure a poll will come out soon and it might not be the win Pearse wants and the decision might change, thats what you get with "Flip flopping" all the time

As someone posted: "Wonder if Pearse also wants to bring back switchboard operators when people want to make a phone call. Tech changes like going cashless cannot be stopped unless he wants to turn the country into a technology backwater."

😂

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119373838#Comment_119373838

Pearse probably does with to bring back switchboard operators, especially the ones who could listen in to the conversations of belligerent unionists and partitionists.

Cluedo Monopoly

The AIB stunt is clearly a black eye for the government.

Nobody will believe that Paschal and Co were blindsided by this major policy change. Especially as we own 60+% of the shares.

The optics are not good this evening.

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119373874#Comment_119373874

Ahh he doesn't know what he wants, he is flip flopping so much....better off just ignoring him and just watch the video of him trying to take off the mask again, f**king hilarious that was

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119373891#Comment_119373891

Incorrect, no matter how you try to spin it on this thread

AIB don't have to answer to the government and this was clear from day 1 when Government bailed them out and MM confirmed in the video a few people are having issues understanding.

Apart from the usual crowd online everyone is well aware that AIB will do whatever they want without telling the government, BOI will do the exact same.

The surprise for some is that reading the thread a lot of people don't actually care. Personally I have no interest in a bank with branch office at all, if they can offer me a better rate then I take that first.....my current bank is all online and that will be the future. Covid pushed the removal of cash out of the market forward by probably 10 years

Plus if you don't think this is just AIB testing the water to see what the reaction is you are very naive. From what I can see the reaction from a lot of people is "so what"

blanch152

We interrupt this ongoing whingefest to bring you the following news from the real world:

https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/government-fund-for-delivering-new-homes-grows-loan-approvals-to-116bn-41859562.html

"In the first six months of this year, funding was approved for 5,210 homes in 86 developments in 20 counties, including in counties Kilkenny and Limerick for the first time.

Social housing projects accounted for 23pc of the new homes approved for funding."

Good to see houses being funded and built.

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119373941#Comment_119373941

Excellent news and great to see at houses getting built....

FrancieBrady

Joespha with the flip flops.

https://twitter.com/paddycosgrave/status/1550509816195457029

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119373964#Comment_119373964

Oh the "flip flopping" burned when they have wifipaddy on the case 🤣

This seems like another case of poor comprehension on the part of Paddy. First off Josepha never said "**** cash"

Also he doesn't seem to be able to comprehend that someone saying Apple Pay is good and that some people still need cash is a different scenario.

brokenangel

For those who missed the excellent speech. Talk about hitting the nail on the head.

"Whatever way the wind blows....."

😂

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8M3u7Zu2_I

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119373987#Comment_119373987

If Josepha really believed what she said in tweet 1 she would have been backing the AIB decision.

She decided however to piggyback on a popular decision for some reflected glory no doubt but her past tweet tripped her up.

Flippety floppity style.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119373964#Comment_119373964

It seems that Paddy Cosgrave shares your lack of comprehension.

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119374013#Comment_119374013

Sorry I am not going to explain both tweets again. Unbelievable carry on

Look at the comment under the post from Paddy, do you really want to be in with that gang?

Its an embarrassment first that Paddy would be trawling all over all TD posts and then thats the best he could come up with. The comments from the idiots underneath just proves the point I already made on this thread

AN embarrassment to Paddy and to the opposition party he is aligned himself with.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119373928#Comment_119373928

Perception is king.

Have a look at the 9 News. The government are not getting any credit for the reversal. Quite the opposite.

FFG now losing more grey voters.

Lets see who turns up to the weekend radio shows and answers the awkward questions...😉

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119374052#Comment_119374052

Hilarious...the person who wrote tweet 1 would logically be lamenting the fact AIB changed their mind, in Tweet 2, because, you know, 'cash is on the way out' and AIB were right just like Apple Pay.

But no...chance for some piggybacking and reflected glory so flippety flop.

Now don't make me have to explain it to you again!

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119374077#Comment_119374077

It's only 6.55 here...anyway I guess you mean the 6 news and not the 9?

I have yet to see a post from you at any stage which suggest that FFG are not losing voters so hardly a surprise you claim the same again

brokenangel

I guess everyone knows who these guys are?

Anyway interesting when you think about the AIB story

With N26, Revolut etc in the market, will we have cash in 5 years? I doubt it

https://www.businesspost.ie/tech/winklevoss-twins-get-approval-to-provide-crypto-services-in-ireland/

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119374114#Comment_119374114

AIB should have waited 5 years so. Hopefully now the government will keep a proper eye on our bank and make sure they don't try it on again.

CarProblem

I'm sure this will be an unpopular post (and I'm a very harsh critic of the government FWIW) but people are strange

• FF bankrupts the country for the 3rd time: no sign of people power
• bank bailouts: no sign of people power
• FG announces it wants to reinflate the property bubble: no sign of people power, even now when people cop on to the consequences still no sign
• 52% marginal rates of income tax: no no sign of people power
• huge levels of national debt: no sign of people power, continuing demands for more spending and for the government to absolve absolutely everyone of every mistake / downside risk
• appalling waste and mismanagement of public finances (for example health services): no sign of people power

However

• Introduce property taxes as most countries have: protests and people refusing to pay (until handed to revenue and there's consequences of not paying)
• introduce charges for a utility (water): lets take to the streets and mass refusal to pay (though of course there was zero consequences of not paying)
• AIB introduce cashless banking in certain areas: more "people power"

Irish people have very strange priorities if you ask me

Brucie Bonus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119373794#Comment_119373794

Like yesterday when he said AIB paid no tax and clarified but you kept bringing it up, even today?

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119374086#Comment_119374086

Yes 9 - I posted after I watched the 6 News where the optics looked very bad. They will look bad at 9 too if you missed 6 News. Keep up!

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119374345#Comment_119374345

I agree. Irish people are too apathetic which is why FFG have ridden us for decades and left us with appalling services and a massive debt. There were some protests around the bank bailout (Leo said not another red cent for example 😊) and I do remember the Axe Tax protests back in the 1980s when things were grim. I protested against Irish Water primarily because of the crony/wasteful superquango setup but also because I knew Trickle Hogan and friends wanted to privatise our precious resource.

I do get your point though. Very few people think about the national interest and we get the self serving politicians we deserve. I think we will look back at these bumper MNC tax years and wonder where and how we blew it all so badly.

jmcc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119374290#Comment_119374290

This government? It is a clown car of a government. The AIB move was always going to get massive pushback from TDs. It wasn't simply a rural issue. Some of these closures were in urban areas that had already seen Bank of Ireland shut down branches and ATMs.

Regards...jmcc

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119374345#Comment_119374345

You forgot to mention the uproar over burning turf

Plus you forget all the people who spent years demanding a new road to every backwater in Ireland, now the same people complaining and wondering why no public transport system.

I seen loads of people complaining because the 100% mortgage is no longer available

Plus the main outcome from the crash was that ireland needed to build a proper rental market, look at all the moaning now about companies trying to set up rentals.

But but but it's "da guberment"

jmcc

Time for the RTE news. Wonder what will be the lead story?

Regards...jmcc

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119374577#Comment_119374577

Go on tell us all, the excitement is too much

jmcc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119374615#Comment_119374615

Can't get RTE in your location? RTE has a website and streams RTE1 and RTE2 on it. It was typical RTE pro-government spin that tried to present Martin being decisive and dealing with AIB. FFG TDs did seem to be rather low profile and nobody bothered to wake up Eamon Ryan for a comment.

And the FF backbenchers are still revolting:

https://www.thejournal.ie/fianna-fail-backbenchers-unhappy-with-micheal-martin-5822241-Jul2022/

Regards...jmcc

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119374679#Comment_119374679

Charlie McConalogue on Drive Time had to admit that the government had nothing to do with AIB and that they responded to people power on eh….social media.

One for de bots and cranks! 😃

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119374577#Comment_119374577

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119374679#Comment_119374679

So are you telling us or not?

shirrup

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119374577#Comment_119374577

Govt to get credit for involving itself in something it didn't, and shouldn't have any business getting itself involved with perhaps?

It's like the magic road from father Ted.

jmcc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119374705#Comment_119374705

Think that he's not running in the next GE. Amazing how the whole thing turned out to be a disaster for FFG as much as for AIB. :) The other thing about the claim of the rise of online banking and less face to face and ATM banking in the last five years was that the Covid pandemic would naturally have affected those numbers for at least two of those years.

Regards...jmcc

jmcc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119374794#Comment_119374794

Sort of sums up Martin's entire political career. When it comes to politicians losing their seats and careers, they can be made to move quickly. It was obvious to everyone outside the FFG cabinet that this was a potentially lethal political problem for the government. It would have affected rural and urban constituencies. It may well have damaged Martin's attempt to stay leader of FF because a real FF leader would not have screwed up like that.

Regards...jmcc

shirrup

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119374898#Comment_119374898

Correct.

Not quite as bad as the optics of letting themselves get caught up in the Black and Tan commemoration, but not dissimilar jmcc.

Dempo1

Looks like it's been a busy evening on the Thread , enjoyed the Heather Video , Hillarious, not that I understood a word she said , great comedy act .

It's kind of extraordinary and in one sense shows how precarious this government is, that a Banks decision has caused so much uproar and Alledgedly blindsided this government, The cynic in me doubts very much anyone in Government was blindsided and its beggar's belief no one was aware of the decision, all seems rather contrived .

Poor MM can't leave the country without having to deal with Domestic and indeed his own parties Woes. The reason for his trip has almost been lost with him having to spend every day denying his position in doubt and then 2 days being aghast at a banks decision and him embarrassingly throwing shapes.

The extraordinary farce of this Governments handling of the Ukrainian refugee crisis worsening by the day, even now begging hotels to take in more and offering €135 per night , sure sign of desperation and an almost media blackout over Irelands newest campsite .

On what should have been a quite first week of Dail recess , a week of bumbling buffoonary, and Leo uncharacteristically very quite. (Who's actually in charge whilst MM out of the country 🤔

Week one of Summer recess has almost been worse than a normal week of this government, its extraordinarily embarrassing although admittedly, strangely satisfying 😁

jmcc

BOI did it last year with some of its smaller branches and ATMs. Perhaps AIB thought that it too could get away with it. AIB's biggest mistake was announcing it during the media Silly Season. There was nothing happening in the Dail to take the focus off the story and even the Tory leadership contest had largely died down once it was reduced to just two candidates. In PR terms, it was a disaster both for AIB and for Martin. The more worrying thought is that the cabinet members might not be quite as bright as their supporters think. If they were aware of it then it is going to cause problems for Martin and Varadkar because this could, if it had gone through, have resulted in FF and FG seats being lost. There's already a movement in FF to get rid of Martin but FGers may well be considering the damage that another Varadkar Victory (50 seats in 2016 to 35 in 2020) would inflict.

Regards...jmcc

Dempo1

Well, well, well, well.

Just as I and others suspected.

There was no blindsiding, Department of Finance officials we're fully briefed by AIB, 4 days before decision was announced. Sean Fleming, yet again putting his foot in it.

Mind Boggling, yet another example of a Minister, not really in charge of his Department, Paschal cleverly kept quite, but was that actually very clever, was the silence deliberate 🤔

Surely he could have checked in with his officials, just to be sure something wasn't missed, INSTEAD he let this Rumble, Unnamed coalition sources briefing various media sources, nothing to see here and Fleming left to make a fool of himself again. Taoiseach too, now looking like an Eejit. This has a whiff of FG silly games to it.

MORE fodder for the opposition 😉

https://www.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/banking/aib-briefed-the-government-about-plans-to-ditch-cash-facilities-41861543.html

Irelandsnumberone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119375448#Comment_119375448

They just lie about things at the time now to avoid awkward questions from the press. Its disgraceful at this stage

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119375466#Comment_119375466

Morning, I sniff something a little more "Sinister"

I said earlier it was simply beggar's belief no one in Government knew about this decision. Now we learn Department officials were briefed fully 4 days before the announcement.

The story Breaks, the Hullabaloo commences, indignation from the public and opposition , Silence from Paschal and the Taoiseach,

Story gathers pace, the infamous Indo article "Paschal Blindsided", senior unnamed coalition sources briefing the press, Sean Fleming (FF) makes an arse of himself, Taoiseach (FF) makes an arse of himself.

Paschal ((FG) the actual minister in CHARGE & LEO (FG) cleverly silent, did neither not think, regardless if they were on Hols or away, to check in with their officials, just to make sure, nothing was missed and avoid FF essentially look like fools 🤔

The story let run for days and who's looking looking like fools 🤔 FF.

Whatever about the opposition being given more Fodder, FF Backbenchers and indeed senior ministers will be infuriated that this story was allowed to gain legs and in my Humble opinion, FG, deliberately allowed it to.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119375481#Comment_119375481

The Government Of Chaos has never really left us. The public lied to again.

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119375505#Comment_119375505

I honestly tried to find some good current News 😁

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119375481#Comment_119375481

You do have a vivid imagination

Might be better to deal in some actual facts

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119374984#Comment_119374984

So you can’t understand Heather? maybe if you explained the problem I could help?

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119375530#Comment_119375530

A good morning, thanks again for the Heather Video, it was Hillarious, there's actually a few others I could share but that would be cheeky.

Hmmm, Vivid imagination is it now.

Perhaps you could offer an alternative view on the FG skulduggery over the past days, I'd love to discuss, I've shared my reading of the time line and sequence of events as they actually happened, perhaps I missed an intervention, clarification from the Actual Minister in charge, Paschal, if so, would love to see a link so I can apologise, did Leo have anything to say, maybe I missed that too 🤔 was there actually anyone in charge whilst Taoiseach away, why was it left to him to answer questions, Thousands of miles away, why did Sean Fleming make and arse of himself, all perfectly ligitimate questions. I await your enlightened response.

Dempo1

Almost forgot BA, silly me, any update on your censorship campaign 🤔

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119375508#Comment_119375508

This is good news...for the opposition! 😁

Another cluster.... of bumbling incompetence and as you say inter coalition oneupmanship.

shirrup

They were lying to us again.

https://www.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/banking/government-knew-about-aibs-cashless-plans-four-days-before-move-despite-claims-of-being-blindsided-41861543.html

Officials knew the specifics of the cashless plan four working days in advance of it being announced – longer than it took the bank to do a U-turn – and failed to intervene.

So they failed to intervene in something they couldn't get involved in. (And shouldn't)

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119375556#Comment_119375556

😂😂😂 I was being cheeky, so to speak, apparently I've got a vivid imagination now, how I do it, I just don't know 😁

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119375561#Comment_119375561

Ssssh you can't say that 😁

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119373941#Comment_119373941

Would you go away with your good news stories. We can’t have the government being seen as doing something right! Doesn’t fit in with the whingefest mentality.

shirrup

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119375568#Comment_119375568

What, that they were lying?

My dog is lain here in the corner of the room his basket licking his own back side contentedly. Even he knows they were lying about AIB. 😅

Irelandsnumberone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119375584#Comment_119375584

Was already commented on, good to see some houses getting done. Fair play to them

Any opinion on the Govt lying to the general public that they knew nothing about what AIBs plans were?