FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119498144#Comment_119498144

I would suggest you do a small bit of research into the Australia health system and the housing market in Australia before posting about what Joe Duffy has on his radio show.

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119498144#Comment_119498144

I heard exactly the same thing and it was actually quite shocking, the Doctor also said 10 out of the 12 interns joining the hospital in Australia were Irish, my only surprise was it wasn't 12 out of 12 given the shocking state of our health service

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119498245#Comment_119498245

That all depends whether we are on a Twitter good or Twitter bad day!

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119498252#Comment_119498252

😂😂😂 A Jez Howaya 😁 Twitter having a field day with Leo today & of course his Junior Minister 🤫🤫

Dempo1

Meant to share this earlier in the context of FFG rental policies re housing and new developments, just look at tge Salaries folks will need 😳

Even cuckoo funds will be doing affordability checks 🙄

https://twitter.com/Independent_ie/status/1561012682626572288

Irelandsnumberone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119498130#Comment_119498130

What parties are blocking housing? If you can provide evidence of any party doing it il have no problem emailing my local rep from that party

Individuals from all parties have objected to certain developments (including our leader Micheal)

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119498294#Comment_119498294

I gave you the link, you reposted it here, you forget already?

Google and you will see the most recent ones. 👍👍👍👍👍

Irelandsnumberone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119498314#Comment_119498314

You could have just said no you will not provide evidence

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119498333#Comment_119498333

i gave you the link previously, you recently quoted from the very link on this thread

👍👍👍👍👍 Best of luck to you ☘️

Irelandsnumberone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119498345#Comment_119498345

So you won't provide evidence. Its ok, we know its bull anyway

Beasty

We now have a thread dedicated to the housing crisis. Please use that rather than having discussions running in parallel on the same topic

FrancieBrady

The hilarious spectacle of FG selectively picking their political beginnings continues. This deserves nothing but derision tbh.

https://twitter.com/FineGael/status/1560929696908451841

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119498705#Comment_119498705

Apologies but can someone point me at the new housing crisis thread. I don't see it.

They want to shoe horn all criticism of the government's housing policy into the SF housing policy thread which makes no sense unless you want to avoid Govt criticism at all costs

Irelandsnumberone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119499227#Comment_119499227

Im half expecting an article in one of the papers tomorrow on how sinn fein are in trouble as someone who voted sinn fein rented a room for cash from Mr Troy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119499255#Comment_119499255

We can't discuss Mr Troy here either, any talk on that has also been stiffled to another thread. Got to keep this thread free of criticism!

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119499199#Comment_119499199

I think it might be this 🤔

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058259551/can-sinn-fein-fix-the-housing-crisis-or-is-it-beyond-them-or-anybody-else

Beasty

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119499227#Comment_119499227

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119499267#Comment_119499267

Threadbanned

c.p.w.g.w

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119498237#Comment_119498237

When I was in Oz I had to go to hospital after being attacked by a dog...had dealt with about 7-8 medical people(nurses & Dr's) 5 of which were Irish and 1 of them was actually related to someone went to college with...small world...I was in Oz 11 years ago

Brucie Bonus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119497951#Comment_119497951

You dodge direct questions and repeat the same (already answered) questions and debunked claims.

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119498144#Comment_119498144

Firstly, I think they do really great work but nurses would not have a big picture any more than some other front line medical professionals. A recent announcement by Donnelly pointed to a shortage of up to 50 ED consultants, not nurses. Other issues revolve around the generally poor state of our overall primary care sector and the need for a lot more stepdown facilities, again none of these specifically nursing-related. Finally, let's not forget why PPARS failed - its inability to define what a basic nurse position was, with all of their credits and pay supplements for courses done!

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119500423#Comment_119500423

Did PPAR's fail or just get repackaged and given a new name? HSE now have a centralised payroll system which is used across the organisation. Im not sure what software PPARs was based on but the HSE has ended up with what they wanted in first place.

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119500447#Comment_119500447

In what it was expected to do originally yes and it was a bespoke set-up but a version of it continues to work fine otherwise. The way I understood it is that it couldn't create a single data record for a nurse as their experience, courses completed were so widely varied it was almost impossible to narrow it down to a common set of variables. That is far less problematic with other positions in the HSE.

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119500466#Comment_119500466

I don't know to be honest, but they have a payroll system that everyone uses. They also have documents with very clearly defined HSE roles like nurses, pay scales etc. I might have family member in HSE so know all this :-) so you can go into a PDF, find your role and then find out how much you will earn each year and how much it can increase due to experience, then you max out and need to move up

PPAR was 2007 wasn't it? so we are 15 years later so maybe they got to it in the end.....

BonnieSituation

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119500475#Comment_119500475

You don't know, I guess.

How is a PDF of grades and increments remotely at all what @is_that_so is talking about?

Wait 'til you find out about privilege days.

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119500475#Comment_119500475

Yeah, but most of that was/is not PPARS. It was also the massive cost of it and that it was supposed to include every every employee which it didn't - planning and scoping issues and all thrown together were largely the problem. Some HSE people told me it was in still in use for some HR areas a few years back and I'm not 100% sure if it's still there in that form but knowing how hopeless PS hardware and software can be it probably is.

Reading Leo V’s comments on the Fine Gael friendly Sunday Indo would make your stomach churn. Suggesting that his party would get a fourth term in power if FF joined forces with SF is utter peak delusion from the FG leader. What planet is he on!

In the Sunday Times, he mentions that his party has “won the argument” for tax cuts eg his new 30% new income tax rate, that he thinks will benefit the “squeezed middle”. He hasn’t mentioned how higher earners will get more favourable tax cuts then low and middle income workers in his plan. Again more guff from the Taoiseach in waiting.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119500447#Comment_119500447

That's not true. I checked with a contact and the HSE do not have a national payroll system. They have a new payroll system built on SAP that is operational in a few hospital groups but the rollout has been slow. The lack of national system has been in the news just recently.

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'It's so insulting': Junior doctors moved between hospitals for training left without pay (irishexaminer.com)

'It's so insulting': Junior doctors moved between hospitals for training left without pay

Hospital doctors still waiting on July’s salary should be paid immediately rather than waiting until the next pay-cycle, their union has urged.

The delay in salary payments comes as non-consultant hospital doctors, formerly known as junior doctors, move between hospitals for training posts of three to six months as part of their rotation.

Many hospitals operate standalone pay systems leaving staff in a new county without pay or on emergency tax while paperwork is completed. Dr Aidan Coffey of the Irish Medical Organisation’s NCHD committee, said: “It’s so insulting.” 

The HSE apologised for the delay on Monday, saying they hope hospitals will quickly resolve the issue.

Dr Coffey said: “It’s one of the first times I can remember the HSE apologising for one of the numerous injustices levied against NCHDs, so that much is welcome.

“But more so than apologising and trying to fix it by the next pay-slip, I think there are people who are down money, who should have been paid last Thursday. Arrangements should be made for them to get paid immediately, rather than having to wait until the next pay-day.” 

Describing this as “a long-standing issue”, he said there is no urgency around finding a solution.

The union has warned that there are "persistent, ongoing payroll issues" meaning these doctors can struggle to get paid, or get paid on the wrong scale or do not get paid for all the hours they worked.

"In the case of some new NCHDs, 'not getting paid' is their first experience of working with the HSE," the union said. Rising rates of doctor immigration have also been highlighted by the Irish Medical Council, and linked to poor working conditions.

“Some doctors who left the register stated they were not returning to practice in Ireland due to poor working conditions in comparison to the country in which they are currently practising,” a spokeswoman said, referring to 2020 data.

Junior doctor pay issues due to payroll system - IMO (rte.ie)

'Demoralising' issues for junior doctors caused by payroll system - IMO

Non-consultant hospital doctors, or junior doctors, are having difficulties getting paid, due to having to join new payroll systems every time they start at a new post, according to the Irish Medical Organisation.

Chairman of the non-consultant hospital doctors committee at the IMO Dr John Cannon said junior doctors rotate hospitals in Ireland every six to 12 months as part of their training programme.

Speaking on RTÉ's Morning Ireland, he said that when they change hospital, even though they remain in Health Service Executive employment as their main employer, "they actually technically change employer as well at a local level.

"So that means every time they go to a new hospital, even though they're still working for the HSE, they have to join a new payroll system as all the payroll systems in the HSE are siloed, there's no national payroll system," he added.

Dr Cannon said this is causing a lot of stress, and a lot of hardship for junior doctors, adding that the "system is broken" and apologies from the HSE "will no longer cut it".

He said the HSE has been aware the issues have been there for decades, and junior doctors have been repeatedly asked for the issues to be fixed.

He said it "is demoralising. It's exhausting, it's deflating and it's one of the reasons why our junior doctors are leaving to go to New Zealand and Australia and Canada to countries that they are respected both as people and as professionals".

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Do your homework.

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119500743#Comment_119500743

Those Pesky facts again 😉

jmcc

I know it is the media Silly Season but this is way out there. Varadkars think that by Martin not ruling out an SF/FF coalition it could help FG get a fourth term in government.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/taoiseachs-refusal-to-rule-out-going-into-coalition-with-sinn-fein-could-keep-us-in-power-leo-varadkar-41925673.html

This is just too weird for a Sunday morning.

Regards...jmcc

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119500811#Comment_119500811

Can you smell the desperation?

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119500764#Comment_119500764

Yeah facts can be a pain.

I did love this line to back up the fake news...."I might have family member in HSE so know all this :-)"

🤣 Might indeed!

jmcc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119500827#Comment_119500827

It is more like sheer panic at this stage. Varadkar has been a disaster for FG. FG has lost seats in every election it has contested since he was installed as leader. Does this mean that if FG loses a few more seats then it can become the new Labour party in a 2.5 party model with SF and FF being the two large parties?

Regards...jmcc

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119500612#Comment_119500612

Which media now should we read or not read? Just wondering which ones are FG friendly etc?

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119500868#Comment_119500868

It's a fair Question, I'd always assumed The Indo was pro FG, certainly it's political Editor fond of Leo but this I found interesting, letters to the editor

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/letters/leo-varadkars-attempt-to-rewrite-history-100-years-on-is-political-point-scoring-at-its-worst-41924396.html

Maybe the Editor on Hols and these comments slip through for publication 🤔

Jinglejangle69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119500612#Comment_119500612

But that 30% tax band has been ruled a no go???

FrancieBrady

The desperate attempt of Leo and FG to own the legacy of Collins that is happening right now on Twitter is a sight to behold.

This guy is matching their 'live tweeting' with quotes from Collins himself.

https://twitter.com/philipoconnor/status/1561303628694097924

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119500743#Comment_119500743

So what you are saying is they have a national payroll system but they have some problems with it?

👍

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119500910#Comment_119500910

Not sure why you think sharing a troll from twitter is relevant to the government thread?

Maybe you could explain as I’m struggling to see why you think it’s relevant?

As I said before if I wanted to read trolls on Twitter I would log onto twitter, not boards

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119500958#Comment_119500958

I couldn't care less what you think is 'relevant'. If you don't want to read a post about a government party...scroll past. Simples.

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119500973#Comment_119500973

It was a simple question…. 👍

FrancieBrady

Let's watch a fictionalised and romanticised account of Collin's life as we create the fiction he was one of us, and mind you don't get ambushed by a ricocheting sausage!

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/fine-gael-to-hold-barbecue-to-commemorate-michael-collins-at-taoiseachs-local-gaa-club-in-cork-41922000.html

jmcc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119500892#Comment_119500892

The Sindo/Indo has always been pro-establishment. The problem for the new owners of IN&M is that they need it to make money. The Sindo, in particular, has shifted to the centre of the market since Barbara J. Pym was fired. The political coverage of the Sindo/Indo still has a pro-FG slant. People just don't believe Varakdar's and FG's attempt to appropriate the legacies of Collins and Griffith. The people realise that FG is the party of Charlie Flanagan and John Bruton who wanted to commemorate the Black and Tans/RIC. That, the Housing crisis and Varadkar's incompetent leadership cost FG seats in the 2020 GE.

Regards...jmcc

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119501140#Comment_119501140

Absolutely, I had a little spat with their political Editor in the past few days & indeed my local TD, fond on tweeting links to the Indo, who's since gone avery quite.

I fear all MSM appear to be pro establishment generally, I personally find it very, very troubling especially our national Broadcaster.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119500949#Comment_119500949

No I am not saying that. I was perfectly clear. So were the IMO. You were wrong and your family member is wrong. I even bolded the parts which mattered. Here you go again Mr "I might have family member in HSE so know all this"...

Junior doctor pay issues due to payroll system - IMO (rte.ie)

'Demoralising' issues for junior doctors caused by payroll system - IMO

Non-consultant hospital doctors, or junior doctors, are having difficulties getting paid, due to having to join new payroll systems every time they start at a new post, according to the Irish Medical Organisation.

Chairman of the non-consultant hospital doctors committee at the IMO Dr John Cannon said junior doctors rotate hospitals in Ireland every six to 12 months as part of their training programme.

Speaking on RTÉ's Morning Ireland, he said that when they change hospital, even though they remain in Health Service Executive employment as their main employer, "they actually technically change employer as well at a local level.

"So that means every time they go to a new hospital, even though they're still working for the HSE, they have to join a new payroll system as all the payroll systems in the HSE are siloed, there's no national payroll system," he added.

Dr Cannon said that this often results in doctors going on to emergency tax, being put on the wrong pay point on the scale, missing hours that they are due in their pay, and, in some cases, not even getting paid at all.

Dr Cannon said this is causing a lot of stress, and a lot of hardship for junior doctors, adding that the "system is broken" and apologies from the HSE "will no longer cut it".

He said the HSE has been aware the issues have been there for decades, and junior doctors have been repeatedly asked for the issues to be fixed.

"We have advised them that truly the one way to get rid of this issue is to have a single nationalised payroll system, similar to the gardaí, where at a click of a button every junior doctor in the country can be paid."

The IMO has a mandate from junior doctors for industrial action and strike.

"It's always been our goal to fix the issues in the system without putting any undue stress on the system, which is very, very stretched at the moment and to solve our issues without essentially going on strike," Dr Cannon added.

He said the IMO hopes negotiations with the HSE will start very soon.

"We're hoping to see real meaningful change, but we have to see that the HSE is willing to move and move fast," he said.

Dr Cannon added that the issue is one of the reasons that doctors are leaving Ireland to go to other countries to work.

He said it "is demoralising. It's exhausting, it's deflating and it's one of the reasons why our junior doctors are leaving to go to New Zealand and Australia and Canada to countries that they are respected both as people and as professionals".

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Own your mistake.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119500852#Comment_119500852

I think FG will lose a lot more seats than FF actually. I cannot see FG buying a preference vote from any party or Independent. They have been completely two faced for 11 years now. Toxic.

jmcc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119501167#Comment_119501167

It might be better to think of RTE as being the state broadcaster rather than the national broadcaster. It had a monopoly on radio and TV for decades until the 1970s and the emergence of pirate radio and cable television. FF, FG and Labour always had it under their thumb. Pirate radio scared FF/FG because it was much more dififcult to control but FF brought in a licencing system in 1989. Cable and satellite TV were only the precursors to what happened with the rise of the Web in the 1990s. That really started the shift away from FF/FG as being the main parties because people started to get access to other views (the end of Section 31 had an impact on the Dublin media). Both FF and FG now find it very difficult to control the message even with their friendly journalists in the media. FF's dreadful Social Media campaigning demonstates that it is really out of its depth. Varadkar acts like a Social Media influencer chasing likes. At the heart of the problem for FF/FG is that fewer people watch RTE now than did in the 1980s and 1990s and most people do not buy a daily newspaper. The old triple-play propaganda model of TV/radio/printed newspapers has changed but FF and FG have not.

Regards...jmcc

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119500958#Comment_119500958

BA, I do get there are many Trolls on SM But in this case I think it only fair to point out this is absolutely no Troll, the blue tick is not handed out easily, very stringent verification process.

You may disagree with this person, but he's no Troll

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119498217#Comment_119498217

Very disrespectful of the Irish nurses who are a credit to us. Were they telling lies on the radio this week?

Why we emigrated: Irish healthcare professionals on what pushed them to leave (thejournal.ie)

Becca (28) studied general nursing in Tralee and now lives in Perth.

“There’s no such thing as a patient ratio in Ireland. I used to have eight patients on a day shift in a private cardiac unit,” she explains. “In Australia, it’s such a massive contrast - it’s strictly four patients to one nurse in the public hospitals.” 

Becca could have had 12 patients to herself on a night shift when she was working in Ireland. “It’s so dangerous. Would you be happy for one of your grandparents to be looked after by someone that has 11 other patients? It’s not safe for the patients and it’s not safe for the nurses,” she says.

Becca explains that any mistakes made in the workplace almost always come down to poor fatigue management and too much of a patient workload. Her workload in Australia is manageable compared to Ireland.

“I’m way less stressed. I used to wake up at 3am worried that I didn’t give someone a glass of water that they asked for. You would get text messages from other nurses that were working that day, saying that they just woke up and that they forgot to document something and asking if I could double-check.”

Becca felt that she was never able to switch off from work while in Ireland, saying that annual leave or days off were almost always accompanied by phone calls asking to come in to cover shifts.

“When I moved to Australia, I didn’t nurse for ten months. I was so bitter. I was so angry at the health system. Once I realised how well respected and well paid nurses are here, I decided to get my registration and work agency shifts in hospitals, I was getting paid stupid money to be looking after four patients a day, which I thought was hilarious when I first started. We have pharmacists and phlebotomists here which is everything a nurse does in Ireland.”

Becca describes the pay for nurses in Ireland as “absolutely horrendous,” before adding, “I’m making two times the amount a nursing manager is in Ireland.”

Maud (27) from Cork also studied in Tralee and worked in two different hospitals in Cork once she qualified. In Australia, she now works in home care for palliative patients. Maud echoes Becca’s comments about hospital work in Australia, noting a much lower patient load. 

“I had a nice run while working in Ireland because I was in a private elective ward. You’d know what’s coming in the door but training was a different story. I trained in a public hospital and there were staff shortages, long hours, and some days you were expected to be a staff member despite being on training, so it was sink or swim.”

“I don’t think I’ll ever go back to hospitals in Ireland. Pay would need to change, [plus] better working conditions, higher staff levels, lower patient to nurse ratio.”

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Plenty more in the article.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119501234#Comment_119501234

There is nothing to disagree with in the tweet unless BA is saying that Collins didn't write those words?

The tweeter who is verified and a journalist is simply counterpointing what Collins said and what FG are presiding over. If BA doesn't think it resonates then so what...scroll on.