FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3

Dempo1

And just announced another 35% increase in Electric prices by SSC , I'll say again 35%

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119524751#Comment_119524751

How many houses/apartments have been blocked in the last 4 years?

I think we need to concentrate on every party who has blocked houses/apartment in Ireland and still continue to today. Email/call them today telling them to stop or they will lose your vote.

Jumping around with glee because the homeless numbers are increasing so you can have a pop at the government while sitting back and ignoring that the party you support is creating more and more people homeless is a bit strange to me.

As I asked before, are you willing to help resolve the housing crisis?

Dempo1

Blocked 🤔 do you mean by FF controlled councils, FG controlled councils, Individual FFG TD'S, there so many, help me out. I'm not aware of any councils controlled by the Greens. I know you have details of opposition parties objections but let's stick to FFGG

Who's jumping around in Glee BA 🤔 the expected figures are outrageous and Shameful, are you happy about this, I'm certainly not 😡

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119524143#Comment_119524143

I would feel he has a strong personal vote,enough to hold the seat,moreso than it being a FF vote

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119524751#Comment_119524751

If we used criteria used in normal country's,we'd be headed for 6 figure homeless figures

But hay,we have record numbers working,who cant afford a home,so it's all good according to utterly blind lemmings

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119525028#Comment_119525028

We have a few jumping around in glee at and well able to see the numbers working but ignoring/deflecting from/or defending the record on other major issues facing us

'Willfully blind' might be a better descriptor.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119525068#Comment_119525068

You'd have to wonder,as regards all this baiting around figures,given what's believed to come out by Xmas from the census figures......looks to me,they digging same short term taught grave that they did pointing at building commencement figures as a success,while whole thing is dried up ta fcuk

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119525028#Comment_119525028

People can buy homes, everyday people are buying and selling homes. We don't have enough homes which is why I constantly ask people to contact the party/TD they support to make sure they stop blocking houses.

The homeless numbers are only going to continue to get worse while parties block houses in Ireland for political gain.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119525068#Comment_119525068

Two totally different topic which should be very clear.

It's tiresome the way you misrepresent.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119525125#Comment_119525125

Homeless figures will rise,once there is any reliance on private sector,it's a failed ideology has landed us there

,if we built 100K houses in morning,forgien investment funds and folks like Robert Troy would buy them up and further force the population into destitution to fund it,while our government activity works against the interests of its citizens to propagate this.....but whoo extra workers to bleed dry to line pockets of forgien landlords......a sick,and failed ideology spreading division and inequality across the world,driving millions into poverty while lining pockets of richest 1% since famine times

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119525188#Comment_119525188

Incorrect, the majority of new houses/apartments are been bought by people in Ireland to live in and not for rental.

Ireland has a huge rental issue, the government has changed the laws to give tenants more rights etc and this has pushed out the small landlord. You can argue for/against this But trying to say then we should not bring in large rental companies who will provide the obvious requirements for rental properties is totally incorrect. A lot of people don't want to buy and never will buy.

End of day, Ireland needs more properties to buy and to rent. 👍️

Anyway we have a housing thread to discuss in more detail

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119524861#Comment_119524861

Sorry, Dempo, but the bias is in your mind. The real problem with the Irish media is the fear of defamation cases. That is what the Council of Europe is concerned about.

Brucie Bonus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119524645#Comment_119524645

I commented. Why do you post falsehoods all the time?

Ironically you refuse to discuss Robert Troy and the way MM and LV backed him.

Brucie Bonus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119524826#Comment_119524826

You and your fellow travelers have turned every discussion regarding government current affairs into a Sinn Fein tinted analysis of the media you don't like while being critical of people for not liking the media you do like.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119525220#Comment_119525220

Except we don't need outsiders providing anywhere to rent,it's essentially exporting housing for the poorest in society to forgien landlords,who cant be trusted to act in favour of society

Your blind devotion to a ideology that has failed everywhere it's been tried is as weird as the Communists tbh.....what makes you think it will ever work here,your concerns/critisms of it,dont tackle the fundamental issue,and your determined to drive further generations of poorest here into destitution for benefit of forgien landlords.....didn't work in 1800s,isn't working now and never will

Devalera 100 years saw the folly of breaking country to serve forgien interests and stopped land taxes to English ....what is fundamental different to yous proposal for forgien large landlords and forcing people to pay them and crippling economic activity of the poorest to serve rich forgien landlords......it's a proven failure like

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119525221#Comment_119525221

No need to apologise Blanch, honestly it's fine, just pointing out the patently obvious 😏

Dempo1

Discuss 🤔 I suppose this is the Main opposition parties fault also 🙄

Absolutely shocking

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1563149261939916800

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119525465#Comment_119525465

Considering that we have taken in 45,000 refugees from Ukraine in the last six months, it is remarkable that those numbers are not higher.

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119525508#Comment_119525508

48K Blanch and rising and actually little to do with the figures released to today, you are aware figures have been stubbornly high since well before March 2022, anyway you are aware the refugee crisis is discussed elsewhere

FrancieBrady

Full employment, yet we have continuing record homelessness, a housing crisis, a broken health service, rocketing energy prices while companies make massive profits etc etc

'Something is rotten in the state', to paraphrase old Shaky.

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119525508#Comment_119525508

I'm not going to play silly games of deflection Blanch we've been told not to discuss this matter on this thread and I'm respecting that. You bizzarely think government should get a slap on the back, extraordinary 🙄

Now your deflection aside, let's look at 2019 shall we, this was the previous record, I'll repeat, 2019 🙄

Your probably not terriblly interested but some more analysis of these disgraceful and Shameful figures today.

https://www.independent.ie/news/number-of-homeless-people-in-ireland-hits-high-of-10568-41939833.html

And just for context theres also Rough Sleepers too

jmcc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119524640#Comment_119524640

What part of "soft power" don't you understand? It is probably a stupid question as you seem to be willing to waffle about everything from databases to the media and fill posts with copy pasta to make it look like you have a clue. You don't! Publications tend to be very wary of upsetting large advertisers. That's a fact of life in the publishing business. You don't really seem to understand that business.

The Examiner is now owned by the Irish Times. That may have escaped your notice.

Vincent Browne approached John Bruton about running as an FG candidate. Luckily for Irish journalism, Bruton did not make him a candidate.

There was one very good Health journalist with the Business Post who got an advisor job. She really understood the field and did great reporting so hopefully politicians listened to her advice. Then there was one of Varadkar's biographers from the Indo who got a job as an advisor. A host from Newstalk got a job as an advisor. It is much more common than you realise.

Soft power, by its very nature runs on a nod and a wink. Political correspondents can't afford to have their sources go silent so they are very careful about problematic stories. After a while that can turn into a kind of self-censorship. You can do your own digging for the link from the 2016 GE with the polcorr claiming that a minority government supported by Independents was impossible. In 2016, the impossible happened.

The Village Magazine and The Ditch got some very good stories and one of them involved Varadkar leaking a confidential document to his friend. The Ditch got the ABP story and the Troy story. It is funny seeing an FFG poster on a forum trying to disparage them as being "fringe publications". Vincent Browne had high hopes for the Village Magazine but this is Ireland. Getting people to pay for good investigative journalism is always difficult. As for your ridiculous statement about the Village Magazine needing money to run, all publications, print and online, need money to run.

One can see how Paddy Cosgrave has become a bete noir for you FFG supporters. He's playing you at your own game. The problem for FFG is that the media landscape shifted. Denis O'Brien no longer has a major share in IN&M (the Indo and Sindo). He was forced to crystalise his €500 million investment in IN&M shares for about a €450 million loss. The Belgian Mediahuis company now owns IN&M. O'Brien also sold off his Communicorp radio stations to the German Bauer Group. The Indo still is extremely pro-FG and DCU's FuJo did a survey of how various publications treated the parties in the 2016 GE.

https://fujomedia.eu/highlights-from-the-election-aftermath/

Mediahuis bought IN&M in 2019. Interestingly, when the Irish media landscape changed FF and FG started to decline. The Sindo has already started to reposition itself as a more centrist publication under a new editor. IN&M has also installed a new content management system and paywall as Digital is a major part of its strategy now.

In the 1980s, small towns often had two or more radio stations. It represented a threat to the stultifying control of the media. FF brought in a licencing system that ended most pirate radio stations in 1989. Ownership rules were conveniently relaxed in the 2000s and it led to radio stations being taken over. Despite concerns about concentration of media ownership, there was no political will to do anything about it.

A free press is much more than press release recyclers, future SPADs and institutionalised "political" correspondents. It includes small publications such as the Village Magazine and The Ditch that manage to get the stories that the large publications don't. But when these small publications break stories on FFG, they become, in your words "fringe publications" as you seek to delegitimise their existence.

Your ranting seems to get progressively unhinged. "These independent medias also has a crackpot element to them." The word 'media' is already plural. Media plurality is the foundation of a free press. The Web has helped with that. Someone once said that the media's relationship with the political establishment should be like that between a dog and a lamppost. That rarely seems to be the case in Ireland. A few decades ago, Troy Story would never have received much coverage and it would have been quietly sidelined. It would be no suprise to see FFG pining for those days.

Regards...jmcc

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119525587#Comment_119525587

Funny you mention Denis O'Brien, even when he was a share holder in media they ran news stories on all parties in Ireland. But you are complaining because you think they are Pro government. Based on what we have yet to see

Yet you praise an online media like "ontheditch" which it totally biased and has been created to sway public opinion towards one political party

So which is it? you want impartial/free media or not?

P.S. I don't expect you to answer.

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119525563#Comment_119525563

Full employment is great on the surface but context rarely discussed, Record numbers of young people on low incomes, actually a lot of adults too, Cost of living impacts these people far greater, it's wonderful to have a full time job, it would be better if these folks could afford their rent or actually find a place to live.

I won't criticise governments achievement re employment but context is important, especially in these times when many will struggle to pay bills and have to make stark choices in the coming months. Disposal income is diminishing almost weekly and this is going to have an enormous effect on the home economy and whilst there's a lot of Kite flying, it remains to be seen if FFFG have any plan for what's coming which even to most optimistic analysts say is going to be Grim.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119525587#Comment_119525587

Great post jmcc, you know your stuff.

shirrup

Great summary jmcc, nicely put.

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119525642#Comment_119525642

I'll second that @jmcc

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119525639#Comment_119525639

https://worldhappiness.report/ed/2022/happiness-benevolence-and-trust-during-covid-19-and-beyond/#ranking-of-happiness-2019-2021

13th on the World Happiness Index.

There is a lot going wrong in the world today, all over the world, thanks to Putin. Like during Covid, our government is doing well compared to most.

brokenangel

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mammychicken

Excellent post JMCC, intelligent, coherent, articulate, keep it up please.....

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119525670#Comment_119525670

Happiness doesn't pay bills or Rent Blanch

I recall a a statement many years ago by the late Jackie Healy Rae, it went something like this

"Beautiful Scenery doesn't put Spuds on the Table"

I kind of suspect your Happiness index may need reviewing in the coming months.

Brucie Bonus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119525508#Comment_119525508

This is not counting refugees. Its number in homeless shelters. And yes, they say if they had more beds to offer the numbers would be much higher.

Brucie Bonus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119525670#Comment_119525670

Except when we had the worst rates in the world, the health minister thought there was a covid 16, 17 and 18, the Taoiseach quoted mean girls for a bet and a laugh while discussing deaths, opening pubs and restaurants despite being advised to do one or the other by NPHET. Arguing with NPHET. Flouting their own covid restrictions. The housing health crises.

1000 people and not every country is measured each year. I'm amused at the idea of you desperately looking for some poll or other to avoid discussing the thread topics.

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119525821#Comment_119525821

Covid was a tragic time not just for Ireland but for the entire World. With people losing friends and family. Mental health issues and the affects on lockdown on young children still been felt today

It should not be used on a political thread for you to get a little dig in at the government.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119525870#Comment_119525870

By that measure we shouldn't be praising them either as their actions brought us to No 1 in the world for a time. A lot of people died who didn't need to.

Brucie Bonus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119525870#Comment_119525870

You're right, but thats Blanch you need to give out to. He tried to use it as propaganda for the government. Not adverse to it yourself, completely making up claims everyone is laughing at the Ukrainians.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119525508#Comment_119525508

Would this not say to you,that we should never had any homeless atal....we can move heaven and earth to look after them,but nothing to help people here already,

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119525587#Comment_119525587

This is type quality content I come here for👏

Was gas,watching him uber-confidently condesending and essentially mocking yous,given your well stated background 🤣

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119525563#Comment_119525563

To add context, is there a state not experiencing all or a number of these issues? Any..?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119526365#Comment_119526365

You can't honestly be this desperate to defend the mess ffg policies have made of state🤣🤣🤣

Haven't Finland essentially ended their homeless problem

Hasn't France nationalised it's electric providers (while ESB is mandated to rise alongside other companies for "competition" reasons)

Hasn't Cuba a famously brilliant healthcare,isn't Australia healthcare funded and uses full availability of its national network

But here in Ireland instead of seeking success,we have a ruling class who wallows and seeks reasons to justify their failures,backed to hilt by media and lemmings,who demand we put up with mediocrity instead of actually achieving anything.....these people have no success in any aspect of their lives,and are so beat down by decades of misrule that the drive to achieve anything for emselves or Eire have been beaten out of em.....

the Robert Troy mess,being a case in point,the bloke was cleary in wrong and gouging state,but people here are so beat down and accustomed to it,a grim depressing acceptance of it and our rulers laughing at us preveiled here

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119526434#Comment_119526434

Finland, France, Cuba Australia

Talk about travelling to all 4 corners of the World to try make a point

Brucie Bonus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119526365#Comment_119526365

You might be happy with breaking homeless records yet again and another winter of people on trolleys, most of us aren't.

Never any problems with government. Loyal soldier.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119526365#Comment_119526365

The look over there excuse is getting old.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119526460#Comment_119526460

Ah yes,dismiss out of hand anything approaching facts and logic...... liberials really hate them alright, failures propagating and forcing a failed ideology onto the public to improvish the populace at behest of forgien investment and the rich here

No reason we can't improve and fix all the problems here,except the government carry on like Thatcherites of the 80s and blame EU for its reluctantance to improve people's lives,but never actually say what law is preventing it.....we have every right to want someone in power willing to improve and drive country on,instead we have crumbling infrastructure,failing social stats,and a bunch of clowns promising to cut income tax(but dropping USC is populist🧐)

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119525797#Comment_119525797

Homeless figures also also include people in temporary accommodation, and it's a sizeable proportion of the total.

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119526477#Comment_119526477

Trolleys are a HSE problem. Until we get the core issues fixed and SlainteCare moved on. Money is not one of them so trolleys will continue to be a point scoring headline.

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119526434#Comment_119526434

You didn't answer the question but picked stuff from other countries.

Cuba FFS! Like come on!

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119526434#Comment_119526434

I wouldn't go quoting Cuba. There are diverse opinions on the true state of their healthcare including suggestions that Cuba just makes up some of its stats! Supposedly a lot of our homelessness will disappear once enough social housing comes on stream.

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119526498#Comment_119526498

dropping USC is populist

It's costly; to the tune of €4bn so not a bright move and it is allegedly expected to be paid for by a higher tax on a small pool of "rich" Irish taxpayers. Nobody much likes the USC but it is a perfect income tax for the exchequer that few escape.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119526579#Comment_119526579

You asked for countries/areas of which we could improve upon

There's no reason,what is achieved in any these couldnt be achieved here,instead we are facing collapse of our Infrastructure and being forced to endure rule from people utterly lacking any drive to improve the state.....providing free public transport was costed few months ago at circa 500M,this would do vastly more to improve lives and ease fuel/electricity shortage,even improve carbon output of state,but isn't even up for discussion as a possibility

Utterly lacking drive and ambition,if your not moving forward,your going backwards in this life.....and anyone not coming to public life to improve lives of public here are dragging country backwards

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119526593#Comment_119526593

Afaik their life expectancy is higher than USA,and it was Cuban doctors on tarmac in Milan,finally forced EU to tackle coveid seriously (seriously believe we need to massively increase our output of healthcare staff,it's workload/conditions driving people out of healthcare moreso than money)

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119526607#Comment_119526607

Undoubtedly it is,a state mandated and control of prices of essential services and goods,will do more to improve cost of living crisis,than a tax cut imo.....we have let free market to its natural conclusion,and now time to have a properly run country