FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3

Finty Lemon

RandomViewer wrote: »

Fun finding silage where this happened,

Lighten up, Francis

RandomViewer

Finty Lemon wrote: »

We will have more of it in the next few weeks now from Matt the Chat Carthy. Matt will lecture us all about CAP, despite never having set foot on a working farm.
Come to think of it, he has never actually showed up at any place of work for a day's hard graft, too busy with activism to have a real job.
He knows the current proposal by the grown ups stinks and will oppose it enthusiastically just like he backed the now utterly discredited beef plan movement. But he will have no idea of what to do as an alternative. Yap yap yap.

Summer holidays will be the killer for FFG, Golfgate 2, anyone,

RandomViewer

Finty Lemon wrote: »

Lighten up, Francis

Wrong poster,

Finty Lemon

Income tax take ahead of target for the first 6 months.
No surprise really given that it's the high earners like me who pay most of it. The grown ups taking responsibility again.

Finty Lemon

RandomViewer wrote: »

Wrong poster,

No.

Finty Lemon

RandomViewer wrote: »

Summer holidays will be the killer for FFG, Golfgate 2, anyone,

Or a big funeral. How's Gerry these days?

RandomViewer

Finty Lemon wrote: »

Or a big funeral. How's Gerry these days?

Wrong poster again Finty, I don't have a party allegiance ,just despise FG,

McMurphy

What's the story with people accusing others of sock puppeting?

Marine Layer wrote: »

I think I've got my answer finally on why the FrancieBrady account won't acknowledge this time that the government should have followed Nphet advice
My own view is the 19th is where that should end and the antigen testing if not vaccinated at indoor dining should begin
It seems to be what they're aiming for

Finty Lemon wrote: »

Lighten up, Francis

Is that what you do when you've ran out of argument?

FrancieBrady

McMurphy wrote: »

What's the story with people accusing others of sock puppeting?





Is that what you do when you've ran out of argument?

It's a bit like Leo's behaviour...deflect, when you have no answers.

FrancieBrady

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Whoever told you that is bluffing/lying Maryanne.

Soz, Francie. We’re on the up again. Get used to it! Night night.

titan18

Finty Lemon wrote: »

Norway's prime minister and health minister have both admitted that the Delta variant of Covid-19 will probably push back the final step of Norway's reopening plan.

Health Minister Bent Høie has warned that the final step of Norway’s four-step plan to reopen the country and lift coronavirus measures will be pushed back due to concerns over the spread of the Delta coronavirus variant, which was first identified in India.

The next step of Norway’s reopening plan was due to be assessed and potentially announced next week, but now the government will instead focus on making sure Norway doesn’t take a step back, rather than moving forward with the reopening plan.

“Next week will mark three weeks since we moved to step three, but with the uncertainty associated with the Delta variant, my priority will be to avoid taking a step back in the reopening plan, rather than taking a step forward,” Høie told newspaper


Grown ups in charge in Norway too, evidently

You might actually want to know what's in Norway's plan before comparing us to them. They reopened items that aren't close to being opened here back in April. Their next step that they're saying they'll delay is pretty much going back to February 2020 living.

Finty Lemon

Leaving Cert delivered in full. No more argument needed.

Finty Lemon

RandomViewer wrote: »

Wrong poster again Finty, I don't have a party allegiance ,just despise FG,

Why?

Relax brah

FrancieBrady wrote: »

'Handling' Pearse would have been countering his points wth the truth as he saw it. Nope, what we got was arrogance and deflection.

Can’t argue with idiots/terrorists - especially when they are shouting at you. Pearse Doherty is a psycho bully who shouts, that is not a good basis for discussion.

Cluedo Monopoly

RandomViewer wrote: »

Wrong poster again Finty, I don't have a party allegiance ,just despise FG,

The FFG fans are clearly rattled after another disastrous week. Fascinating to witness and easily exposed. The govt are meeting the hospitality sector reps again tomorrow to patronise them further. Many of these businesses will open just to close in early 2022 due to unrecoverable financials.

FrancieBrady

Relax brah wrote: »

Can’t argue with idiots/terrorists - especially when they are shouting at you. Pearse Doherty is a psycho bully who shouts, that is not a good basis for discussion.

Varadkar was given his time to answer...he chose to deflect.

Shouting in the Dáil is unusual? Please stop. Does your argument no favours.

FrancieBrady

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

The FFG fans are clearly rattled after another disastrous week. Fascinating to witness. The govt are meeting the hospitality sector reps again tomorrow to patronise them further. Many of these businesses will open just to close in early 2022 due to unrecoverable financials.

The bluffers are not only trying to ride two horses, they are prepared to ride any horse that come along.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/dublin-bay-south-hospitality-closure-until-september-outrageous-1.4611436?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

tipptom

Finty Lemon wrote: »

Income tax take ahead of target for the first 6 months.
No surprise really given that it's the high earners like me who pay most of it. The grown ups taking responsibility again.

Ye boys may be high earners but pay nothing in income tax despite your vast earnings and assets and never have,thats why ye are all over the place throwing out propaganda for FG/FF in a desperate attempt to keep the gravy train running.

Let the hedge funds buy your farms out and then we will not have to listen to your incessant moaning looking for more free hand outs,because us "adults" dont want to subsidise you anymore with our taxes while you sit on your millionaire assets.

The good days are coming to an end and you know it.

Finty Lemon

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

The FFG fans are clearly rattled after another disastrous week. Fascinating to witness. The govt are meeting the hospitality sector reps again tomorrow to patronise them further. Many of these businesses will open just to close in early 2022 due to unrecoverable financials.

The pharmacists are happy. 18 to 30s being fast tracked.
Leaving Cert done. Good CAP on the way. Tax take up.

Hospitality are doing a good job to press for more of the generous compensation they continue to receive. But a mature approach needed due to Delta. Strange that all the socialists on here are so eager for the greedy capitalist publicans to get their way.

Cluedo Monopoly

Finty Lemon wrote: »

The pharmacists are happy. 18 to 30s being fast tracked.
Leaving Cert done. Good CAP on the way. Tax take up.

Hospitality are doing a good job to press for more of the generous compensation they continue to receive. But a mature approach needed due to Delta. Strange that all the socialists on here are so eager for the greedy capitalist publicans to get their way.

Congrats. No makey uppy numbers

Finty Lemon

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

Congrats. No makey uppy numbers

ECDC, its all there

Cluedo Monopoly

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The bluffers are not only trying to ride two horses, they are prepared to ride any horse that come along.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/dublin-bay-south-hospitality-closure-until-september-outrageous-1.4611436?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Yep, months and months to plan Green Certs and antigen testing and they only decide to look into them in July. Pathetic.

Cluedo Monopoly

Finty Lemon wrote: »

ECDC, its all there

Yeah sure they are.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Varadkar was given his time to answer...he chose to deflect.

Shouting in the Dáil is unusual? Please stop. Does your argument no favours.

I'll give you that, Pearse shouting, ranting and foaming at the mouth spouting unbelievable nonsense isn't even a little bit unusual in the Dail.

blanch152

Finty Lemon wrote: »

The pharmacists are happy. 18 to 30s being fast tracked.
Leaving Cert done. Good CAP on the way. Tax take up.

Hospitality are doing a good job to press for more of the generous compensation they continue to receive. But a mature approach needed due to Delta. Strange that all the socialists on here are so eager for the greedy capitalist publicans to get their way.

We are back to last November when Mary-Lou was calling for the pubs to be reopened when the numbers were going the wrong way. Deja vu.

She should have learned.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

I'll give you that, Pearse shouting, ranting and foaming at the mouth spouting unbelievable nonsense isn't even a little bit unusual in the Dail.

'Foaming'?

You guys. Gas stuff.

Finty Lemon

tipptom wrote: »

Ye boys may be high earners but pay nothing in income tax despite your vast earnings and assets and never have,thats why ye are all over the place throwing out propaganda for FG/FF in a desperate attempt to keep the gravy train running.

Let the hedge funds buy your farms out and then we will not have to listen to your incessant moaning looking for more free hand outs,because us "adults" dont want to subsidise you anymore with our taxes while you sit on your millionaire assets.

The good days are coming to an end and you know it.

Haha that got you going Tommy. Nationalize the farms comrade

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

We are back to last November when Mary-Lou was calling for the pubs to be reopened when the numbers were going the wrong way. Deja vu.

She should have learned.

Or the leader of FG having a ranty deflectionary, designed for his social media, pop at NPHET, the government ignoring the advice then having to enact it a wet week late? Then we hit 'top of the world' scores for a while as countless got infected and died.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Or the leader of FG having a ranty deflectionary, designed for his social media, pop at NPHET, the government ignoring the advice then having to enact it a wet week late? Then we hit 'top of the world' scores for a while as countless got infected and died.

Mary-Lou calling it wrong once was forgiveable, but twice that is stupid.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/04/politics-trumps-covid-science-in-javids-push-to-live-with-the-virus

Seems that Mary-Lou has more in common with the science-denying Tories than we knew.

Our government is working away on getting extra vaccines to vaccinate the population before opening slowly. Well done to them.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Mary-Lou calling it wrong once was forgiveable, but twice that is stupid.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/04/politics-trumps-covid-science-in-javids-push-to-live-with-the-virus

Seems that Mary-Lou has more in common with the science-denying Tories than we knew.

Our government is working away on getting extra vaccines to vaccinate the population before opening slowly. Well done to them.

The government DID IT blanch.

Your obsession with equating a 'call' with actually 'doing something' that resulted in unnecessary suffering and death, says it all.

Same as Leo...get called out, deflect deflect deflect.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The government DID IT blanch.

Your obsession with equating a 'call' with actually 'doing something' that resulted in unnecessary suffering and death, says it all.

Same as Leo...get called out, deflect deflect deflect.

We can only analyse the opposition based on what they call for. Mary-Lou has got an awful lot wrong throughout the pandemic.

Her problem is the opposition for opposition's sake position that she has continually adopted. When the government are getting the vast majority of things right, she looks stupid and clueless.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

We can only analyse the opposition based on what they call for. Mary-Lou has got an awful lot wrong throughout the pandemic.

Her problem is the opposition for opposition's sake position that she has continually adopted. When the government are getting the vast majority of things right, she looks stupid and clueless.

They all got stuff wrong and made mistakes. I'm blue in the face saying. The government actually 'did' stuff and are getting called on it here.

But SF SF SF. Leo deflection tactics. Do you all do it?

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

They all got stuff wrong and made mistakes. I'm blue in the face saying. The government actually 'did' stuff and are getting called on it here.

But SF SF SF. Leo deflection tactics. Do you all do it?

Yes, the government actually did stuff, and got most of it right. In a pandemic, nobody will get it all right.

Just look at Alan "Zero Covid" Kelly for someone who got it completely wrong. Aren't you so lucky that SF backed away from that pretty quickly?

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Yes, the government actually did stuff, and got most of it right. In a pandemic, nobody will get it all right.

Just look at Alan "Zero Covid" Kelly for someone who got it completely wrong. Aren't you so lucky that SF backed away from that pretty quickly?

This thread is about the government and what they are doing. You and others broached no criticism up to this point.

I accept your admission that they didn't get it 'all right'. So maybe show some humility when they are criticised in future.

Relax brah

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Varadkar was given his time to answer...he chose to deflect.

Shouting in the Dáil is unusual? Please stop. Does your argument no favours.

It’s not an argument. You don’t engage with emotionally unstable people who are incapable of a discussion in a professional format.

FrancieBrady

Relax brah wrote: »

It’s not an argument. You don’t engage with emotionally unstable people who are incapable of a discussion in a professional format.

Your argument is, deflection is ok.

Many many people, including FGers and FFers have raised their voices in the Dáil.

It is just more bluffing/lying to deny that.

Leo deflected, his fans cheered. Yawn.

Finty Lemon

February 2021: Irelands whinging opposition "why can't we be more like Australia, they have managed Covid with no lockdowns. Its a disgrace, Joe"

July 2021: "12 million people in lockdown in Australia and only 7% of the population vaccinated. Fears of a huge Delta wave"

July 2021 Irelands whinging opposition "We meant Austria , why can't Ireland be more like Austria? Its a disgrace, Joe."

Rinse and repeat...

Floppybits

Finty Lemon wrote: »

February 2021: Irelands whinging opposition "why can't we be more like Australia, they have managed Covid with no lockdowns. Its a disgrace, Joe"

July 2021: "12 million people in lockdown in Australia and only 7% of the population vaccinated. Fears of a huge Delta wave"

July 2021 Irelands whinging opposition "We meant Austria , why can't Ireland be more like Austria? Its a disgrace, Joe."

Rinse and repeat...

Why do government supporters feel the need to insult opposition? Why do they need to use words like "whinging"? Are the opposition not allowed to oppose or question government decisions?

FrancieBrady

Floppybits wrote: »

Why do government supporters feel the need to insult opposition? Why do they need to use words like "whinging"? Are the opposition not allowed to oppose or question government decisions?

The demise of the power swap Floppybits has been difficult to cope with for some. There is also a fundamental gap in understanding how proper democracy and accountability works. You will see the same demeaning attitude to the work 'committee's' do in the Dáil.

They simply have never seen a proper opposition doing it's job without fear or favour. And they deeply resent it.

Finty Lemon

Floppybits wrote: »

Why do government supporters feel the need to insult opposition? Why do they need to use words like "whinging"? Are the opposition not allowed to oppose or question government decisions?

I was referring to the whinging opposition, not the opposition en masse. There is a difference.

Floppybits

Finty Lemon wrote: »

I was referring to the whinging opposition, not the opposition en masse. There is a difference.

Please enlighten us to this then, this is why I asked the question or is it that some of the elected representatives are acceptable and some aren't?

mattser

Finty Lemon wrote: »

I was referring to the whinging opposition, not the opposition en masse. There is a difference.

And so begins another week of misery for the perma whinge brigade, Finty. Let them at it. Busy week on the Valtra ahead for me.

Cluedo Monopoly

Floppybits wrote: »

Why do government supporters feel the need to insult opposition? Why do they need to use words like "whinging"? Are the opposition not allowed to oppose or question government decisions?

Opposition need to know their place in the 100 year FFG power swap!
The status quo must remain at all costs! Only one choice allowed.

Is it a symptom of Stockholm syndrome? I was a FG voter for 2 decades but somehow rejected the brainwashing. I am happy now.

FrancieBrady

Floppybits wrote: »

Please enlighten us to this then, this is why I asked the question or is it that some of the elected representatives are acceptable and some aren't?

That's precisely what Finty is saying. Exclusion politics.

The power swap rocked to the core. FF/FG bunkered up and effectively merged, in one final effort to cling on.

FrancieBrady

FrancieBrady wrote: »

That's precisely what Finty is saying. Exclusion politics.

The power swap rocked to the core. FF/FG bunkered up and effectively merged, in one final effort to cling on.

Well won't we be testing your theory of democracy in 2025
If you are right Mary Lou will be Taoiseach

Circa 500 to 595 max long days in politics to go...
Might be an idea to turn on the eyecare function on your devices

FrancieBrady

Marine Layer wrote: »

Well won't we be testing your theory of democracy in 2025
If you are right Mary Lou will be Taoiseach

Circa 500 to 595 max long days in politics to go...
Might be an idea to turn on the eyecare function on your devices

The 'theory' was tested at the previous two GE's Marine.
After one, FG/FF circled the wagons in a confidence and supply arrangement and after the next one they effectively merged in an unprecedented coalition.

History will see that as an effort to cling to what they had for 100 years, a controlling power swap arrangement.

Finty Lemon

More than 750 pharmacies will today begin administering the Janssen (Johnson & Johnson) Covid-19 vaccine to people between the ages of 18 and 34 who have opted-in to receive it.

It comes as the Health Service Executive confirmed that another 343,000 vaccines were administered last week. Almost half (49%) of the adult population are now fully vaccinated.

HSE Chief Executive Paul Reid shared the information on social media and said pharmacies would play a "key role" this week in administering available Jannsen vaccines to those aged 18 to 34.

A pharmacist in Dungarvan, Co Waterford - where coronavirus incidence is the second highest in the country - has said there is "huge capacity" within community pharmacies to administer the 200,000 Janssen vaccines expected to be distributed this month.

The accelerated roll-out for younger people in pharmacies is part of a multi-track approach to speed up the pace of adult vaccination to counter the threat of the Delta variant.

Speaking on RTÉ's Morning Ireland, Waterford pharmacist Daragh Connolly said it was a "very exciting day" for pharmacists who were "delighted" to be at the heart of fighting Covid.

He said his own pharmacy had to close off its registration list for the 18 to 34 cohort as over 150 people had already registered.

"Without knowledge of the supply of the vaccine [in coming weeks], we didn't think it would be fair to keep taking names, so we're just asking people to be patient with us, and indeed they have. There's a fantastic enthusiasm from this cohort to get vaccinated," Mr Connolly said.

His pharmacy is at capacity to "very comfortably and safely" administer up to 100 vaccines per week and if it can get the supply to match this, then "more and more people" will be vaccinated.

"We are reading that there may be another 200,000 Janssen vaccines coming into the country, so I think there is huge capacity within community pharmacies to administer those vaccines in probably four to six weeks with a fair wind," he said.

There you have it folks. From a health professional.
No confusion, just enthusiasm.

Well done Minister Donnelly for another slick move.
Doesn't suit the whinging opposition at all.

Finty Lemon

mattser wrote: »

And so begins another week of misery for the perma whinge brigade, Finty. Let them at it. Busy week on the Valtra ahead for me.

I am jealous. Stuck on an old Case Puma in the evenings myself. Bought it with my own money too, to keep my income tax bill below the €50k. Maybe its time for an upgrade

Finty Lemon

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The 'theory' was tested at the previous two GE's Marine.
After one, FG/FF circled the wagons in a confidence and supply arrangement and after the next one they effectively merged in an unprecedented coalition.

History will see that as an effort to cling to what they had for 100 years, a controlling power swap arrangement.

Free and open elections have been in place since the foundation of the state. Compare that to the 20th century socialist nightmare inflicted on other countries. Nuff said.

Finty Lemon

Finty Lemon wrote: »

More than 750 pharmacies will today begin administering the Janssen (Johnson & Johnson) Covid-19 vaccine to people between the ages of 18 and 34 who have opted-in to receive it.

It comes as the Health Service Executive confirmed that another 343,000 vaccines were administered last week. Almost half (49%) of the adult population are now fully vaccinated.

HSE Chief Executive Paul Reid shared the information on social media and said pharmacies would play a "key role" this week in administering available Jannsen vaccines to those aged 18 to 34.

A pharmacist in Dungarvan, Co Waterford - where coronavirus incidence is the second highest in the country - has said there is "huge capacity" within community pharmacies to administer the 200,000 Janssen vaccines expected to be distributed this month.

The accelerated roll-out for younger people in pharmacies is part of a multi-track approach to speed up the pace of adult vaccination to counter the threat of the Delta variant.

Speaking on RTÉ's Morning Ireland, Waterford pharmacist Daragh Connolly said it was a "very exciting day" for pharmacists who were "delighted" to be at the heart of fighting Covid.

He said his own pharmacy had to close off its registration list for the 18 to 34 cohort as over 150 people had already registered.

"Without knowledge of the supply of the vaccine [in coming weeks], we didn't think it would be fair to keep taking names, so we're just asking people to be patient with us, and indeed they have. There's a fantastic enthusiasm from this cohort to get vaccinated," Mr Connolly said.

His pharmacy is at capacity to "very comfortably and safely" administer up to 100 vaccines per week and if it can get the supply to match this, then "more and more people" will be vaccinated.

"We are reading that there may be another 200,000 Janssen vaccines coming into the country, so I think there is huge capacity within community pharmacies to administer those vaccines in probably four to six weeks with a fair wind," he said.

There you have it folks. From a health professional.
No confusion, just enthusiasm.

Well done Minister Donnelly for another slick move.
Doesn't suit the whinging opposition at all.

Surprised David Cullinane didn't apply some pressure to stop this on his own doorstep. Measures could have been taken