FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3

RandomViewer · 05-07-2021 9:29pm

Floppybits wrote: »

Will it be another black mark against Harris if he fails to get this seat for FG.

Harris is the golden child, all will be forgiven and he'll make a TikTok dance

RandomViewer · 05-07-2021 9:35pm

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Only opinion poll (AFAIK) shows FG on 27% and Labour on 22. Received wisdom is this would mean a narrow victory for Bacik, given how much more transfer-friendly she is likely to be than Geoghegan.

Watched them on the week in politics yesterday, nobody stood out, FF woman was very poor speaker and struggled to get her point across, they showed clips of the also running and let Barrat vomit his bile , guessing the studio panel didn't see these clips live as Geoghegan condemned them about 10 minutes later ,so someone must have had a word in his earpiece

Floppybits · 05-07-2021 9:37pm

RandomViewer wrote: »

Watched them on the week in politics yesterday, nobody stood out, FF woman was very poor speaker and struggled to get her point across, they showed clips of the also running and let Barrat vomit his bile , guessing the studio panel didn't see these clips live as Geoghegan condemned them about 10 minutes later ,so someone must have had a word in his earpiece

What's this about an earpiece?

Loafing Oaf · 05-07-2021 9:42pm

Floppybits wrote: »

Will it be another black mark against Harris if he fails to get this seat for FG.

If Geoghegan puts in a decent showing I don't think there will be many recriminations within FG; Government parties don't generally win by-elections.

RandomViewer · 05-07-2021 9:43pm

Floppybits wrote: »

What's this about an earpiece?

Geoghegan was wearing an earpiece, maybe some of the others were too but his odd hair drew attention to it

FrancieBrady · 05-07-2021 9:43pm

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Only opinion poll (AFAIK) shows FG on 27% and Labour on 22. Received wisdom is this would mean a narrow victory for Bacik, given how much more transfer-friendly she is likely to be than Geoghegan.

Didn't realise it was that close, I thought, given the constituency that FG were a shoe-in.

Floppybits · 05-07-2021 9:45pm

RandomViewer wrote: »

Geoghegan was wearing an earpiece, maybe some of the others were too but his odd hair drew attention to it

Sorry state of affairs if the people looking to represent us in government need to wear an earpiece so that they can be told what to say.

Calhoun · 05-07-2021 9:45pm

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

There's no debate about that for most people who generally vote SF or the smaller left parties. I can't see any downside for Bacik for the perception to grow that this is a two-horse race between her and Geoghegan.

I think the main downside for her is that there is the left vote is split and she can only hope she gets allot of transfers.

I would be more surprised that Boylan isn't in with more of a shout and i suppose it depends on how people on the left view SF.

I honestly don't know how they stand transfer wise.

RandomViewer · 05-07-2021 9:50pm

Floppybits wrote: »

Sorry state of affairs if the people looking to represent us in government need to wear an earpiece so that they can be told what to say.

If he'd condemned Barrat straight away when they'd come back from the clips I'd have thought nothing of it , the delay suggested ,literally, someone had a word in his ear, poor FF woman definitely didn't have one, you'd nearly think they weren't trying,

Loafing Oaf · 05-07-2021 9:54pm

Calhoun wrote: »

I think the main downside for her is that there is the left vote is split and she can only hope she gets allot of transfers.

I would be more surprised that Boylan isn't in with more of a shout and i suppose it depends on how people on the left view SF.

I honestly don't know how they stand transfer wise.

But the left vote is split anyway.

If Bacik is perceived as Geoghegan's main adversary that can only benefit her by attracting transfers from other left candidates, no?

The phenomenon you talk about might actually have arisen if Boylan was perceived to be Geoghegan's main challenger. A lot of Labour/Green/SD voters would be genuinely torn as to whether SF or FG was the greater evil. But I don't see that being a significant issue for Bacik.

FrancieBrady · 05-07-2021 10:46pm

Just seen this and thought it interesting if true. Bizarre choice/fit for the constituency.

https://twitter.com/Tupp_Ed/status/1412162794401714179

Calhoun · 05-07-2021 11:30pm

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

But the left vote is split anyway. If Bacik is perceived as Geoghegan's main adversary that can only benefit her by attracting transfers from other left candidates, no?

The phenomenon you talk about might actually have arisen if Boylan was perceived to be Geoghegan's main challenger. A lot of Labour/Green/SD voters would be genuinely torn as to whether SF or FG was the greater evil. But I don't see that being a significant issue for Bacik.

Well its why i posed the question as i wasnt sure how transfer toxic SF would be to the left compared to Bacik.

Calhoun · 05-07-2021 11:40pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Just seen this and thought it interesting if true. Bizarre choice/fit for the constituency.

https://twitter.com/Tupp_Ed/status/1412162794401714179

Not the only one who has shifted around to find a constituency, i believe this is Bacik's third constituency and Boylan shifted to this one as well.

For the FG supporters an article by Mulally might be seen as a boon for them, she would definitely not have the same political beliefs as their core voter and the more attacks on them from people with her politics could be seen as the bette

I don't understand though why they didn't run with Kate O'Connell, not because she is female but compared to Geoghegan she was a much stronger candidate.

Shows you how crappy the candidates are that for the most part its who is you would least likely vote for and relying on tribalism to get you across the line.

Loafing Oaf · 05-07-2021 11:47pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Just seen this and thought it interesting if true. Bizarre choice/fit for the constituency.

https://twitter.com/Tupp_Ed/status/1412162794401714179

It's true but I don't think it's as big a deal as yer man makes out.

According to the Phoenix

He told Goldhawk that he does not share Lucinda’s views on abortion, which were chief among her reasons for leaving FG and forming a new party. Asked why he did leave, Geoghegan said, “I was a Lucinda man” and he wanted to keep supporting her. He also said that he wasn’t sure if he had ever been a member of Renua or not. Either way, he was a key member of Creighton’s backroom staff when the party was formed until he left after the 2016 general election.
https://www.thephoenix.ie/2021/04/james-geoghegan-for-eoghan-murphys-seat/

FrancieBrady · 06-07-2021 12:12am

Calhoun wrote: »

Not the only one who has shifted around to find a constituency, i believe this is Bacik's third constituency and Boylan shifted to this one as well.

For the FG supporters an article by Mulally might be seen as a boon for them, she would definitely not have the same political beliefs as their core voter and the more attacks on them from people with her politics could be seen as the bette

I don't understand though why they didn't run with Kate O'Connell, not because she is female but compared to Geoghegan she was a much stronger candidate.

Shows you how crappy the candidates are that for the most part its who is you would least likely vote for and relying on tribalism to get you across the line.

I get the shifting bit.
Just amazed they couldn't find a better fit.

FrancieBrady · 06-07-2021 12:13am

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

It's true but I don't think it's as big a deal as yer man makes out.

According to the Phoenix

He told Goldhawk that he does not share Lucinda’s views on abortion, which were chief among her reasons for leaving FG and forming a new party. Asked why he did leave, Geoghegan said, “I was a Lucinda man” and he wanted to keep supporting her. He also said that he wasn’t sure if he had ever been a member of Renua or not. Either way, he was a key member of Creighton’s backroom staff when the party was formed until he left after the 2016 general election.
https://www.thephoenix.ie/2021/04/james-geoghegan-for-eoghan-murphys-seat/

That's convenient, I couldn't possibly comment on my doubts.

FR85 · 06-07-2021 12:16am

RandomViewer wrote: »

Geoghegan was wearing an earpiece, maybe some of the others were too but his odd hair drew attention to it

If this is what you are talking about then hed have needed a full on wig to cover it....wonder who the voice was on the other end!

Calhoun · 06-07-2021 12:18am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I get the shifting bit.
Just amazed they couldn't find a better fit.

I don't get it either, must be some logic to it we aren't seeing. Either that or Leo is really spiteful.

Dank Janniels · 06-07-2021 1:06am

Were they actual earpieces like the man in the next room kinda thing or part of their microphone or audio equipment? You would think they would be more subtle about it if it was the former?

blanch152 · 06-07-2021 10:26am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Who is ahead in the polling, (not paying much attention tbh)

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Just seen this and thought it interesting if true. Bizarre choice/fit for the constituency.

https://twitter.com/Tupp_Ed/status/1412162794401714179

For someone who is not paying much attention, you are sure digging deep on Twitter to find muck to throw.

Sounds like the lady doth protest too much.

FrancieBrady · 06-07-2021 10:35am

blanch152 wrote: »

For someone who is not paying much attention, you are sure digging deep on Twitter to find muck to throw.

Sounds like the lady doth protest too much.

Once again, the willful misunderstanding of how Twitter works. 'Digging deep'?

Desperate for the cheap scores today?

Cluedo Monopoly · 06-07-2021 10:43am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Didn't realise it was that close, I thought, given the constituency that FG were a shoe-in.

DBS is a FG stronghold and I expect him to win it easily but he is a surprisingly poor candidate to add to an already poor pool of FG TDs.

Murph85 · 06-07-2021 10:48am

I wish the young would go out in this constituency and vote for anyone but ffg... start putting pressure on them for their farcical treatment of the young and appalling mismanagement of the covid situation

Loafing Oaf · 06-07-2021 11:14am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I get the shifting bit.
Just amazed they couldn't find a better fit.

Calhoun wrote: »

I don't get it either, must be some logic to it we aren't seeing. Either that or Leo is really spiteful.

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

DBS is a FG stronghold and I expect him to win it easily but he is a surprisingly poor candidate to add to an already poor pool of FG TDs.

Well he is the choice of the local party, that's generally how these things work. If the party leadership had rowed in behind Kate O'Connell she might well have ended up on the ticket but once that didn't happen it was always going to be Geoghegan. Party cumann often choose candidates whose appeal is a mystetry to outsiders and it usually works out ok in general elections but obviously it's more problematic in by-elections when the candidate needs to appeal beyond party loyalists.

FrancieBrady · 06-07-2021 11:18am

FG keep embarrassing themselves calling out infamy and then having it embarrasingly pointed out that they are guilty of the same thing themselves. This time it's Charlie Flanagan at it. Caught out rapid (my teenagers would say) as Leo was when he had a pop about food parcels.
Terry Prone needs to hold a class on looking before you leap.

https://twitter.com/egg__fried_reus/status/1412115564110155777

conorhal · 06-07-2021 12:00pm

Calhoun wrote: »

Not the only one who has shifted around to find a constituency, i believe this is Bacik's third constituency and Boylan shifted to this one as well.

For the FG supporters an article by Mulally might be seen as a boon for them, she would definitely not have the same political beliefs as their core voter and the more attacks on them from people with her politics could be seen as the bette

I don't understand though why they didn't run with Kate O'Connell, not because she is female but compared to Geoghegan she was a much stronger candidate.

Shows you how crappy the candidates are that for the most part its who is you would least likely vote for and relying on tribalism to get you across the line.

That shrieking harpy Kate 'we won ye lost, it must be hurtin' O'Connell?
Gloating triumphalism over the abortion issue really turned my stomach when it comes that that clown.

She and Bacik are in regular competition for who can be the most unsufferable and unlikable purveyor of identity politics. I'm glad she's out in the cold where she belongs.

Finty Lemon · 06-07-2021 2:03pm

Fann Linn wrote: »

60000 at the Austran Grand Prix today and our crowd wetting themselves over a few sheep pens in Kilmainham last night for a concert and 500 in Wexford for Leinster quarter final football match.

Australian Grand Prix cancelled. Any comment on that?

(The whinging opposition's Austro-Australia confusion continues.)

Finty Lemon · 06-07-2021 2:05pm

I read Lynn Boylan's cost of energy survey there. Safe to say that a good Junior Cert Civics project would have more intellectual rigour. It is a good laugh all the same.

Floppybits · 06-07-2021 3:20pm

Sneaky FFG. Not a chance they want to help people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ai-m-X0ktS0

Shebean · 06-07-2021 3:50pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

FG keep embarrassing themselves calling out infamy and then having it embarrasingly pointed out that they are guilty of the same thing themselves. This time it's Charlie Flanagan at it. Caught out rapid (my teenagers would say) as Leo was when he had a pop about food parcels.
Terry Prone needs to hold a class on looking before you leap.

https://twitter.com/egg__fried_reus/status/1412115564110155777

Return to normal? I'd say FF/FG/Greens are dreading Covid leaving the headlines. I await a series of 'but Covid' excuses as we return full attention to pre-Covid issues.

Shebean · 06-07-2021 4:07pm

Floppybits wrote: »

Sneaky FFG. Not a chance they want to help people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ai-m-X0ktS0

So Cuckoo funds are exempt and can buy up as many estates as they like, once the tax payer/local authority is buying, renting or leasing them off them.
What a complete con. FF/FG/Green are shameless.

FrancieBrady · 06-07-2021 4:15pm

Floppybits wrote: »

Sneaky FFG. Not a chance they want to help people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ai-m-X0ktS0

His plea to the CC to save him there is cringe.

Floppybits · 06-07-2021 4:41pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

His plea to the CC to save him there is cringe.

Normal behavior from Martin when he comes under pressure in the Dail. Does his little fake angry man impression to distract from the question. It was even more pathetic today looking for the CC to save him.

Cluedo Monopoly · 06-07-2021 4:58pm

Shebean wrote: »

So Cuckoo funds are exempt and can buy up as many estates as they like, once the tax payer/local authority is buying, renting or leasing them off them.
What a complete con. FF/FG/Green are shameless.

Shortall skewered him.

Housing will be the rock upon which FFG will perish. Shameless is right.

RandomViewer · 06-07-2021 5:02pm

FR85 wrote: »

If this is what you are talking about then hed have needed a full on wig to cover it....wonder who the voice was on the other end!

Thought the combover was animatronic at first

Calhoun · 06-07-2021 6:51pm

On a downer for FF, this has bill is going forward quite close to the election. Not sure if it will take some heat of FG.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/politics/arid-40330748.html

What will take some heat off them a little is the below, that champagne socialism.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/labour-by-election-candidate-ivana-bacik-will-only-consider-giving-up-her-trinity-college-professorship-after-the-result-40620572.html

Finty Lemon · 06-07-2021 7:46pm

Fann Linn wrote: »

60000 at the Austran Grand Prix today and our crowd wetting themselves over a few sheep pens in Kilmainham last night for a concert and 500 in Wexford for Leinster quarter final football match.

The British and Irish Lions' third tour game on Saturday against the Bulls in Pretoria has been postponed after several positive Covid-19 cases in the ranks of the South African team.

It is also likely that South Africa's warm-up test against Georgia, to be played in Johannesburg on Friday, will also be called off after positive test results in both camps, as a third wave of coronavirus cases engulfs the country.

Any comment?

FrancieBrady · 06-07-2021 7:52pm

Finty Lemon wrote: »

The British and Irish Lions' third tour game on Saturday against the Bulls in Pretoria has been postponed after several positive Covid-19 cases in the ranks of the South African team.

It is also likely that South Africa's warm-up test against Georgia, to be played in Johannesburg on Friday, will also be called off after positive test results in both camps, as a third wave of coronavirus cases engulfs the country.

Any comment?

What's the comparison to here? Are you saying we wouldn't postpone games if cases were found?

tipptom · 06-07-2021 8:07pm

Finty Lemon wrote: »

Haha that got you going Tommy. Nationalize the farms comrade

Where did you see me say nationalize farms Finty?

Like any other buissness if you cant make it pay then you have to sell it as i dont want to be paying for it.
You still have a reward from a big asset to go out into the real world and make it work for you,no more sponging of the state and we dont have to listen to ye moaning anymore.

See Finty,its easy to demonise people and it cuts both ways.

Floppybits · 15-07-2021 10:13am

Hello, testing 123, are we back?

FrancieBrady · 15-07-2021 11:26am

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117612660#Comment_117612660

What larks since the site went down...more communications chaos, a mind blowing disaster for FF in DBS with the entire FG party from Malahide to Bray descending on DBS in a futile embarrassing (Simon with the placard on the traffic island) effort to get their man and Leo across the line.

Result? Two leaders of the power swap further holed below the waterline. And Eamonn...then there was the Greens! :)

Floppybits · 15-07-2021 11:33am

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117613267#Comment_117613267

And not forgetting that vote last night in the Dail to effectively bring in mandatory vaccination or else you will be an outcast.

blanch152 · 15-07-2021 11:35am

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117613267#Comment_117613267

FG matched their general election performance, SF matched their general election performance, but the by-election anti-government vote went to the Labour Party. Next time out, it looks like a Labour gain from FF as the likely change.