FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3

howiya

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122079349#Comment_122079349

How have i attacked your post? Some sensitive souls on here. I actually thanked your first post. I thought my post was supporting yours but jaysus. I won't bother next time.

The Tories will want images of migrants crossing the border hitting British screens before Thursday.

JP Liz V1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122079279#Comment_122079279

Simon have a ice cream and go play on Tik Tok 😉

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122079461#Comment_122079461

The way they have hyped this story up, anything short of this at the Belleek crossing will be a letdown for them

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122079507#Comment_122079507

Well done

jmayo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122079260#Comment_122079260

The mullarkey on Kildare St is an even bigger one.

Rugbyf565

honestly, how the **** does Helen McEntee still have a job? There is a record number of restaurant, shop and home break ins every week in Dublin City centre for the last 2 years. Several business owners I know are struggling to deal with constant break ins and security threats everyday. Think there were 3 restaurants just this week threatened with knives and had their cash registers emptied. There’s a serious amount of scumbags just roaming around the city centre everyday. I feel like this city will slowly turn into another version of San Francisco if FG remain in power. Need to be pushing for more powerful police state laws, police should be allowed to whack these knackers unprompted.

If nothing is done pretty soon business owners are going to take it into their own hands and solve the problem themselves if the state refuses to step in. We’ll end up like South Africa-privatised mercenary groups, security guards, multiple layers of fencing, bolted doors etc.

Cluedo Monopoly

Ha Ha, Fine Gael have sent Alan Farrell to Drivetime to defend the immigration process. Wowser, they have really reached the bottom of the barrel now!

And he seems to know nothing! Priceless.

Blut2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122078427#Comment_122078427

"The Convention was designed to protect individuals and groups fleeing persecution, not masses of population fleeing warzones."

The UN's own official website, which I linked to and quoted, says the convention was designed in direct response to the masses of people fleeing war zones post WW2.

Perhaps you should consider writing to the UN to correct them on the error of their ways if you know better?

jmayo

The UN is a busted flush and has been for quite a while now.

Most people can see that, but the deluded, the NGO classes and some politicos still cling to the institution and it's often dodgy offspring.

Old conventions are no longer fit for purpose in a modern globalised world where you can cross the world in a matter of hours and where Western countries ruling governments, their political classes, media and NGO classes are so willing to accept effectively an invasion.

If the madness continues and as some of our more environmentally and more open borders feelings dominated classes have their way we are expected to invite half of Africa and the Middle East in the coming years, it will result in dictatorships the likes we haven't seen since the 1940s.

The solution to Africas and Middle Easts problems is not to move people en masse to Europe.

Some of us have copped on to that, but some are just very slow on the uptake or are making a lot of money out of the racket.

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122082152#Comment_122082152

You have noticed the word "post" in that right? There were no war zones in Europe post WW2.

What there was was various degrees of ethnic cleansing and displacement of certain protected groups and nationalities. The UN describe precisely what I quoted from the Convention articles themselves. It is for people who must flee their own country "owing to well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion, ". I don't know how much clearer this can be made that this is not for people fleeing a war zone.

Blut2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122082286#Comment_122082286

"Initially, the 1951 Convention was more or less limited to protecting European refugees in the aftermath of World War II"

https://www.unhcr.org/sites/default/files/legacy-pdf/4ec262df9.pdf

It was literally created as a response to World War 2 refugees, to cater for them, in the UN's own words. You should really actually read up on the convention before talking about it with such misplaced authority.

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122083363#Comment_122083363

You are aware of what the word "aftermath" means right? There were no warzones in the aftermath of WW2. What warzone were these people fleeing!?

owing to well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion

You keep ignoring this insanely clear framing that is made of what they considered a refugee. It has nothing to do with fleeing a warzone. It is focused on those who were displaced because of their political or ethnic leanings. If they wanted to make it a broad statement for everyone fleeing warzones they would have.

It was designed so people couldn't say "sure why would we take in these jews, Germany is perfectly peaceful at the moment", because that is what actually happened and they were acknowledging that they made a gross mistake.

If you want to put forth that we should take in people from active warzones then fine, I support that also. But you keep distorting the point of the original convention on refugees which was never about their country of origin being in a state of war.

corkie

Reported on Twitter by Dublin MEP candidate Malachy Steenson says he has information to suggest the govt are about to move all migrants from Mount Street to [place of major news last week] or Tallaght within the next 24 hours with the support of the government and riot police.

On the TheLiberal_ie and couldn't find anywhere else reporting it? Worrying if true?

@Ha Long Bay Sorry for replying to your post last night, should have quoted both posts.

EDIT 01/05/2024 09:05

https://www.rte.ie/news/dublin/2024/0501/1446689-mount-street/

• Second effort to remove camp this year! There have been previous efforts to move those living in the area around the International Protection Offices on Mount Street area to alternative accommodation.

It is unknown yet to what IPAS location they will be moved to.

https://twitter.com/TheLiberal_ie/status/1785566777189019946

jmayo

Don't you know they couldn't be having a shanty town in the South side of Dublin city.

It could keep growing and start moving towards Merrion Sq which of course has Dail and government buildings.

Or perish the thought it start growing across the canal and into the land of embassies and private schools.

Much better to shift them out to some town or village full of far right types.

This government are clueless and what is worse and frankly astounding is how rank and file party members are not up in arms at this stage.

Either party members act or they can forget ever getting support back.

Blut2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122083406#Comment_122083406

This shows a complete lack of knowledge of history. So just for your own reference:

Almost the entirety of central Europe was full of warzone refugees in the aftermath of World War Two. There were circa 40million refugees in the aftermath of the war. These people were refugees because of the war. The official ending of the war with the Paris Peace Treaties being signed didn't magically solve the crisis. There were still large numbers of war refugees in Europe.

The last Displaced Persons Camp, which were used to house refugees from World War Two, didn't close until 1959. That year is regarded as being the official end of the World War Two refugee problem.

Try reading this at least for an introduction to the topic:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Displaced_persons_camps_in_post%E2%80%93World_War_II_Europe

The UN themselves literally, and very clearly, say the 1951 convention was designed in response to, and to cater for, war refugees from World War Two.

Its really not a difficult concept, I don't know why you're struggling so with it.

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122086579#Comment_122086579

Because they were refugees due to fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion

This is very specifically not a general term. I can read English is mostly why I'm struggling with your idea that the convention was supposed to govern those fleeing warzones. The reason certain people of German ethnicity couldn't return to Poland after the war is not because Poland was a warzone and not because Poland was not a "safe country" but because they uniquely would be at risk there due to their ethnicity. The war refugees could not return home because of singular characteristics, not because they had to flee cause of the war in general. A German who fled West Germany due to the war almost certainly would not have qualified for asylum had they applied under the convention.

Georgia is not at war (at least yet, god knows what is going to happen there) but someone could very justifiably claim asylum if they are Georgian because there is a significant crackdown on anti-government protests. Hence they are at risk due to their political opinion.

Ukrainians are not in Ireland as refugees and while I am no expert on the Irish refugee process, I do know that in many countries they would not even qualify as refugees because they can rely on their government to aid and protect them. Simply being from a country at war is not sufficient for refugee status and was never the intention of it.

Why on earth do you think they delineated the specifics about persecution based on race, religion etc? It is an incredibly basic point. They could have simply claimed the Convention was focused on those displaced due to war but they did not do that.

pureza

Well Mary Lou when asked on 6 one just now about how do you find out where these cross border migrants originally came from ...she says 'you interview them and Glean that information from them'

Lol,Mary Lou,I dont think the IPO are proffecient in or legally allowed to do the type of interogations,some of the legacy members of your party might have been good at 🤣🤣

Worst interview I've ever seen her do

She had no answer anyway

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122086732#Comment_122086732

She never did

howiya

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122086732#Comment_122086732

I think there's a Sinn Fein thread somewhere on here

Galwayguy35

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122086732#Comment_122086732

Must see is it on the player.

Great to see her put on the spot.

She is like a screeching banshee in the Dail most days.

An Claidheamh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122086732#Comment_122086732

Of course, consistent FFG government policies of having :

a legal gravy train to prolong this

no police to defend locals from British organised PAYtriot thugs

no accommodation (despite virtue signalling)

funding hypocritical NGOs and their employees

And now, bending the knee to their “colleagues” in the nefarious and untrustworthy British Tories to take in their British commonwealth subjects from Nigeria

…. This is all Sinn Féin’s fault, all of it 🙄

Galwayguy35

Looks like the legislation they are pushing through won't be worth the paper its written on.

Sunak made it quite clear today in the Commons no migrants will be going back.

If she was working for a private company McEntee would be fired by now.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122087162#Comment_122087162

There seems to be no accountability these days in Irish politics. For example, Minister Martin was in the same position as McEntee a few weeks ago re RTE- Inept, inaction, uninformed, rash judgement etc. We all thought she would resign before being pushed. However some other news story came along and she went back into hiding and the 'progress' on RTE stalled yet again. Notice how nobody in govt brave enough to mention the license fees. They'd rather bail out RTE. Muppets. McEntee seems to make a fool of herself on a regular basis but another news story often takes the focus off her. That's the way of the news world these days I guess. McEntee and Harris (equally to blame) will be hoping that a news story comes around soon to push the immigration mess off the front page.

However the local elections are in 6 weeks. The electorate aren't that forgetful. Worth waiting for.

pureza

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122087162#Comment_122087162

What are said migrants going to do when their applications are rejected? They get no money as little as it is now even and no accomadation then,just their own make shift cold wet tents

Hardly nirvana or an incentive to come here

Thats what the law is more supposed to do

It reinstates the UK as Safe

And remember only UK rejected applicants risk going to Rwanda

If they cannot prove a need for protection in the UK,they wont here either

Ergo they're fùcked and the flow will eventually get back to normal

Cluedo Monopoly

Oh dear

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/politics/arid-41386576.html

McEntee's performance labelled as 'disaster' at Fianna Fáil meeting.

Bit rich since they own the Housing and Health portfolios.

I guess FF are electioneering too?

pureza

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122087684#Comment_122087684

I'd agree

Micheál martin bossed this,with his experienced old head de escalating the reaction in GB to both the Taoiseach's unnecessary first comments picked up by the UK media (later nuanced better) and McEntee's

Sometimes its the auld dog for the hard road and the pup for the path

JP Liz V1

I know from Gript so probably labelled as far right antagonists fake spoofers etc., but MM is really throwing Entee under the bus lately

https://twitter.com/griptmedia/status/1785672532332265912

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122087684#Comment_122087684

Don't worry about it

Who cares about the HSE or housing

National issues is not the responsibility of all voter or politicians

Better off voting for someone who has no intention to fix anything and then spend 5 years slagging off anyone who tries to fix it

Seems like a better plan to me doesn't it? 😂

"electioneering"…. 😂

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122088256#Comment_122088256

Another deflection post with no substance. Great work 😉 Do you ever reply to the actual post content?

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122088057#Comment_122088057

Suspect such things will become more common as the government reaches its inexorable end.

jmayo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122087139#Comment_122087139

Ahh FFS you are as bad as the undoubted government party plants around here defending in no small way fg, ff and the cabbage heads.

sinn fein have done absolutely nothing to help ordinary people.

They have and are continously labeling ordinary people concerned about their communities as far right racists.

So much for sinn fein and their community work.

Added to that they backed the failed referendums wasting peoples time and money.

Then they tried to spin they didn't agree with them in the first place even though they voted for them.

Even worse their leader said they would run them again.

HELLO MARY LOU you absolute tool, can you not read the room yet.

Added to that they have been vociferous supporters of hate speech legislation and have actually said it doesn't go far enough.

sinn fein have shown their true colours showing they care shag all about Irish people.

Their borders and immigration policy is now laughably referred to as "Brits out, everyone else in".

And before mods crawl all over this because this thread is about government parties, but the complete lack of opposition from the main opposition party has to be highlighted continously for some folks it seems.

Cluedo Monopoly

I just read that the Metro project has already cost 150m Euro. I'll post a link later.

Definitely another FFG style Children's Hospital project on the cards there. Cui bono?

An Claidheamh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122089087#Comment_122089087

“Their borders and immigration policy is now laughably referred to as "Brits out, everyone else in".”

Yeah, invented by British soldier Rowan Croft - never saw him concerned about foreign men of military age in the North funnily enough yet he speaks of “sovereignty”.

He is a British loyalist.

Rest of your nonsense is not shared by anyone outside of your far right goosesteppers.

Your policy is Brits in, Irish out

An Claidheamh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122087195#Comment_122087195

Those webcam videos she does hardly help her either.

They don’t seem to have the high production values of their party’s twitter page when they are propagating those anti-Shinner videos

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122089087#Comment_122089087

Do you honestly think people are "party plants" on boards? 😂

What exactly would any of the government parties gain from having people on boards?

It seems to be daily now the accusation of been paid or a party plant etc etc.

The same people seem incapable of understanding that someone has a different opinion to them

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122089584#Comment_122089584

That is an utterly tiny amount of money for such a large project. You think planning and consultations for 3 years are free?

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122090067#Comment_122090067

Sure it's just lines on a page 😂

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122090067#Comment_122090067

It's on top of the 150 million already wasted.

Fianna Fáil TD Paul McAuliffe said €150m was lost on the Metro North project, largely due the project having been being stopped when an alternative route was chosen.

Asked if the NTA accepted this figure, Deputy CEO Hugh Creegan said that they did.

Mr McAuliffe asked for details of the business case that justified "a Government agency to lose or set aside €150m" which will add to the eventual cost of MetroLink which is expected to reach "€10 billion".

The NTA's Garrett Doocey responded that the decision to cancel the Metro North project was taken by the Government.

"They're separate projects, deputy," he said.

"But they're not. They're separate routes," Mr McAuliffe responded, but insisted that they are effectively the same project.

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122090574#Comment_122090574

Fianna Fáil TD Paul McAuliffe said €150m was lost on the Metro North project, largely due the project having been being stopped when an alternative route was chosen.

FF TD Paul McAuliffe is talking nonsense. That is not why the project was stopped.

No idea what you think you are saying here. €150m was spent on Metro North but the project was cancelled because of the GFC. No one saw that coming and there was essentially nothing they could do about it. Now €150m has been spent on the new Metrolink project - it was either spend the money or not have a metro.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122090668#Comment_122090668

I'd say Dublin will get a Metrolink when Galway gets the ring road. Never.

JP Liz V1

Barry Cowen the latest FF TD to pipe up now on immigration, about deportations, you'd never think elections are coming up

https://www.fiannafail.ie/news/cowen-demands-enforcement-of-immigration-laws

jmayo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122089687#Comment_122089687

80% of the voters disagreed with mary lou and sinn feins take on the referendums, you know the ones she said she would run again.

Nobody bar the die hard shinners are believing the cr** out of sinn fein anymore.

That is not right wing goosestepping or Brits.

An Claidheamh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122093787#Comment_122093787

???

Write that again in English and I might read it

An Claidheamh

Barry Cowen, slack-jawed and running away to the mainland,

where has he been hiding?

FFG seem to be waving the white flag for the next election, they are allowing way too many sitting TDs to run for Europe.

If they get elected to Europe, they are essentially forfeiting that constituency, they don’t seem to have high profile second strings that I can see

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122092110#Comment_122092110

Opportunist fool. I pray he doesn't get a seat. He'll do nothing in Europe. Chambers will be along soon to say the borders should be closed.

gral6

Paul Murphy should lead next government. The most confident and experienced TD ever

gmisk

No idea how this story passed me by?!

How is Helen McEntee still in a job!

https://extra.ie/2024/05/01/news/irish-news/judge-troubled-migrant-case

corkie

Ministers turn on each other over migrants as crisis grows

Civil war broke out in the Cabinet last night with ministers lining up to lambast Taoiseach Simon Harris and his Justice Minister Helen McEntee over their handling of the migrant crisis.

Mr Harris was blasted as being ‘naive’, ‘confrontational’, ‘juvenile and bombastic’ by colleagues for his role in a row with the UK government over deportations and the border.

https://twitter.com/TheMandyGall/status/1787025714505478225

Things don't sound good for our government? Not predicting anything by the way.

Only last week they where congratulating Simon on moving Mount Street Shanty Town, only for a new one to be setup on Dublin's Grand Canal.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122100494#Comment_122100494

…eu wide failure, theyre coming, whether we like it or not, we re not gonna stop them, the whole eu needs to sit down and start having adult conversations about this reality, and start dealing with it, it wont happen though, so get ready for an even bigger mess…..