FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122100494#Comment_122100494

Not a bit surprised to be honest. He's had an awful start. Bad decisions and made a fool of himself with the British.

JP Liz V1

More FF speaking up

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/government-must-be-stronger-in-dealing-with-asylum-seeker-camps-and-gardai-should-police-the-border-fianna-fail-td-says/a1090677015.html

pureza

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122101366#Comment_122101366

What would Gardaí at the open border do though,escort them back to Newry ?

Impossible as they'd be back 5 seconds later

Its incredible the thick crap politicians come out with so as to be seen to mar dhea care

What needs to be done in the first place is to restore the pre brexit agreement between GB and France to deport them

Its an EU wide problem Firstly and thats where entry has to be processed and the vast bulk of these exposed as the economic migrant chancers that they are

The EU can fund the mass deportation

corkie

Election 'before the clocks go back' favoured among politicians
One minister suggested the Government must call an election after October’s budget, as 'anything longer is madness'

• Almost two-thirds of Fianna Fáil TDs, ministers, and senators surveyed want a general election in the autumn, while exactly half of Fine Gael members also favour going to the polls before the end of the year.
• However, Green Party members differ from the two main coalition parties and believe that the three-stool Government should stay in place until next March.

Majority of Government politicians favour autumn election — poll

Not surprised at Green's wanting to go full term, they will probably get hammered in election for propping up the Gov?

I am NOT predicting anything here, but some people who have maybe proven correct!

JP Liz V1

Is ROG in hiding, new tent town, record number weekly IPAs and not a hum from the Integration minister who promised keys to new homes and jobs for all

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122114480#Comment_122114480

ROG was the whipping boy for long enough and clearly wasn't getting cabinet support. So now that the focus has shifted to the Clueless 2, he is being smart and keeping the head down. Time for Simon and Helen to take some flak. Especially with less than 30 days to elections.

dmakc

Had a Limerick councillor (randomly as I'm not from Lim) come up as an advert scrolling Instagram last night ("paid for by Fine Gael" and all on it) with an MTV Cribs theme of this is my house and garden etc. Good editing, exactly like the show used to do 20-odd years ago.

Just thought to myself however, if I was FG, the last way to garner votes is "look at the big lovely house I own". Had to laugh really

jmayo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122119468#Comment_122119468

A lot of these are arrogant assholes to start with and don't forget a lot will be taking their cue from the party hierarchy that now looks down their noses and totally dismisses out of hand the concerns of ordinary people.

You can even see it with undoubted party insiders and supporters on the web, and indeed here, where they still appear to think the Irish voters are going to continue to stupidly vote for them.

And this is not alone FG, but all the major parties.

Granted it does appear FG has an inordinate amount of members/lackies who seem to have totally forgotten the days when they only dreamed of getting anywhere near FF and into power.

JP Liz V1

ROG out of hiding

Mr O’Gorman said the Government “will be in a position to say with confidence that everybody who requires an offer of accommodation can get one” in the next few months. 

Blut2

"in the next few months" is quite the non specific sentance.

It also completely ignores the fact that the real problem is we need to reduce the number of people arriving and claimng accomodation, not continuously provide more and more accomodation at the expense of the Irish tax payer.

Its incredibly worrying that O'Gorman, who literally tweeted out in multiple languages to asylum seekers the promise that they'd get free accomodation here to encourage them to come, is still influencing government decision making. His agenda is completely at odds with whats very clearly in the country's best interests.

JP Liz V1

Helen McEmpty needs to be gone along with Roger O Gormless

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41393395.html

Scar001

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122131385#Comment_122131385

Not anymore. We're top of the class.

corkie

What is Micheal Martin's beef with social media?

Tánaiste warns over impact of fake online ads

• "Various political people could be undermined in the course of an election campaign with very little recourse during the campaign," he warned.
• Micheál Martin said social media firms should not be allowed 'to require citizens to go to the courts'

Has he ever heard of ad-block software?

Has anyone come across false political ads on social media, or do you automatically filter out obvious ads when you see them. The ads I seem to get until I muted them on twitter where from 'Fun Games 2024'! Anyone else getting them?

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122139290#Comment_122139290

The problem is not with "ads".

As a starting point you could look at the whole Cambridge Analytica debacle, but it has obviously progressed since.

corkie

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambridge_Analytica

• Data scandal. In March 2018, media outlets broke news of Cambridge Analytica's business practices. The New York Times and The Observer reported that the company had acquired and used personal data about Facebook users from an external researcher who had told Facebook he was collecting it for academic purposes.
• Cambridge Analytica claimed to be able to use Facebook data for its clients to better target political messages to people that could be influenced, also known as “microtargeting.” Facebook shut down access for new apps to this API in 2014, and the API access was fully shut down in 2015.

@Podge_irl Is that old news or is something still like it happening now?

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122139337#Comment_122139337

You think it's stopped? Yes, things like that are still happening. You have botfarms etc pretending to be real people pushing whatever agenda they want.

I highly doubt the government is in any position to properly regulate it, but the problem is not targeted ads marked as such.

corkie

@Podge_irl The problem is not with "ads".

So the article is deceptive in describing the problem. It is more to do with disinformation and slanderous posts on social media. As you say botfarms etc targeting politicians. Not individual targeting of ads to user's.

jmcc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122139290#Comment_122139290

His face was used in crypto-currency scam ads and he had to take legal action to identify those behind the ads. Some other politicians and celebrities were also targeted.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/micheal-martin-initiates-high-court-proceedings-against-google-over-scam-adverts/a1902151621.html

Regards…jmcc

Oxo Moran

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122139350#Comment_122139350

I've seen a lot of 'kate3421578' type named accounts, with nothing in the way of a personality, just guff about immigrants and SF traitors.

I know when posting adverts they are vetted for content, (Facebook won't allow too much text for example). I wonder how or why such obvious fake adverts get through?

corcaigh07

Delete

corkie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122139702#Comment_122139702

Thanks for that, looks like after they where taken down by google, then surfaced again on Social Media in March.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/politics/arid-41369857.html

Hence his beef with Social Media. Horrible for him to be used in that way. But it is not like the average Mr Joe Public would be used in these scams, so wouldn't need to go to the courts to the extant he is.

As it is still a matter for the courts? Better to not go deeper into discussion here?

CASE WIN Major legal victory for Micheal Martin as High Court compel Google to hand over fake ad cryptocurrency scam details

jmcc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122141387#Comment_122141387

The funny thing is that the scammers would have thought that Irish people would have taken the word of an FFer on investments given the whole Celtic Tiger thing. :) This is just background noise to the use of Social Media influence operations. It is helped by "technology journalists" reporting on the issue being quite clueless and being unable to identify such operations.

The 2016 US presidential election and the whingebinge from opinionators about Russian sites was really funny. The vast majority were networks of Made For Adsense sites from Eastern Europe. They were variations on clickbait sites that are promoted via Social Media ads. (The BBC tracked down some of the people behind the sites and interviewed them.)

Influence operations have come a long way since the days of planting stories with a gullible journalist or two. Technology has improved such operations but targeting plays a major part of things now. In Social Networking terms, it is far more important to identify "influencers" who will propagate a message than it is to waste time on press release recyclers that few people will trust. The trust in the legacy media has fallen dramatically in the last few decades. This makes the identification of "influencers" much like the Cambridge Analytica approach important because people are more likely to trust people they know. If you need an insight in to the CA issue, Chris Wiley's "Mindf*ck" book is quite good.

Regards…jmcc

Oxo Moran

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122095319#Comment_122095319

How about Roderick O'Gorman? Two stories in as many weeks about at risk children being placed in private homes with unvetted staff. There was a time it would be a national scandal, but 'far right' etc..

corkie

It maybe a statement about Palestine?

Couldn't find it on Gov.ie but tweeted by RTE account!

hotmail.com

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122167446#Comment_122167446

Probably a distracting tactic from the housing report and continuing refugee crisis.

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122139337#Comment_122139337

The guy who took down Cambridge Analytica, or one of the people had started his own company with others. He took out his competition

This is still active

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122167451#Comment_122167451

Yep, publicity stunt. Can anyone tell me if Simon criticised Biden/Blinken for their stance with the ICC? I bet he avoided that one.

Simon and the other wise men are doing an early morning press conference on the opening date and final cost of the long awaited Children's Hospital. Stay tuned.

_Kaiser_

Harris wants to be on "the right side of history" he says.

With that statement alone he demonstrates Ireland's inferiority and insecurity complex once again as we strive for the approval of, and validation by "our betters", and his own need for approval by the social media set who are obsessed by this issue.

Personally I would be fairly confident that the vast majority of people here don't give a toss in all honesty. Don't get me wrong, most people will have empathy and sympathy for the innocents (on both sides) caught up in what is a long standing conflict, but we have enough problems here that Simon and co would be far better focusing on that grandstanding on the international stage.

Myself, while I likewise have sympathy for the victims on both sides, I don't get the obsession some have with this conflict. It's nothing to do with us, we have no say or input to whatever solution is reached. Neither side give a toss what Ireland thinks (those caught up in the middle certainly won't feel any safer or secure tonight when they go to bed), and the attention and focus on it by the media and Government here is frankly bizarre. I guess the Ukrainian conflict wasn't working as a distraction from far more immediate domestic issues anymore?

Listening to Micheal Martin on Pat Kenny about it as I type this and it's ridiculous. Kenny would be far better quizzing him about the immigration and tent city mess, the housing crisis in general, and all the other problems being faced by the citizens of this country that he and his colleagues are failing on.

dmakc

Playing up to the blue haired brigade is all they're concerned with

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122168340#Comment_122168340

Not sure how you came to that conclusion, my understanding is that he means when people look back at what is currently going on that Ireland didn't stay quiet and that we pushed for an end to the violence and a peaceful conclusion.

You seem to think it is better if Ireland says nothing and just hopes that everyone knows it's against this so called "war", which is just one country bombing the sh*t out of people.

The conflict might "have nothing to do with us" but we can still condemn it.

_Kaiser_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122168365#Comment_122168365

I've no problem with condemning it - although I disagree on the notion that hamas/Palestine are entirely innocent victims here. Both sides have blame and responsibility to share, and it's only the civilian victims on both sides that are the innocents.

My issue is the focus and attention it's getting from the Government and media. Something that is nothing to do with us ultimately and which we have no say about. It's an obvious and transparent attempt to appeal to the social media crusaders and distract from far more immediate and worsening domestic issues here.

CarProblem

McDowell lays out the utterly shameful campaign of lies and deceit the government's referendum campaign was based on. Who'd have thought it - experienced legal minds knew better than the bluffers and incompetents in the government trying to sell the electorate a pig in a poke. I for one am shocked

https://www.michaelmcdowell.ie/irish-people-victims-of-campaign-of-concealment-by-government.html

CarProblem

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122168458#Comment_122168458

The announcement will probably get loads of likes from lefty types on social media, none of whom will vote for the government anyhow.

Meanwhile most of the population will carry on with their lives barely taking any notice

Silentcorner

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122168340#Comment_122168340

When you consider the fact that our economy is based on assisting global corporations engage in tax avoidance in nations across the world, you'd have to wonder what moral authority these people think we have…we are picking the pockets of other nations.

I'd imagine in diplomatic circles around Europe we are probably hated.

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122168458#Comment_122168458

I don't think hamas/Palestine are innocent either and I never said that, but at the moment it's a one way war.

The attention it is getting is because it is significant event in the World at the moment, like it or not because of the likes of SF, Ireland is suddenly been dragged into this more than we would normally. The links with the US MNC's etc also mean it is big news here.

We can't, as a country, sit back now and say nothing.

People are obsessed with social media, we are a country with huge ties to the US, who are linked to Israel. We are also a country with links to Palestine because of SF etc. Nothing to do with social media

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122168508#Comment_122168508

Honestly it was nearly 10 years ago since the tax loop hole was identified and has since been shut. We have a lower corporate tax rate than most countries and that is to attract countries to create jobs in Ireland. We have also tied the tax rates so those companies are no longer just a box office etc

Like most people who complain about Ireland and "tax avoidance" you don't really seem to understand how the system works

Europe does hate us because we take jobs which all of the rest of Europe would love to have.

If you want to hate your own country because we have made ourselves a successful economy with jobs for it's people and others by all means go ahead, when my dad was young he left school at 16 to go work on sites in England, is that what you want a return to?

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122168473#Comment_122168473

I agree most peopel will carry on, but from a government point of view they have to take a stand. Simple as that

if they didn't Im sure the same people on here complaining they have, would be complaining they haven't

The "lefty types on social media" are usual the ones who never vote because it would mean getting off their device for 20 minutes, so I doubt the government give two f**ks about them.

Cluedo Monopoly

146 countries already recognise Palestine. We have added one more. I think the electorate will be very puzzled why this is Simon's #1 priority.

Will Martin go back over to inspect a small hole in an Israeli ceiling?

Lofidelity

Palestine is a useful distraction for the government. There's a hardcore of TDs and the public that are obsessed by Gaza so they'll get some kudos.

South Africa is also doing the same trick. A country run on corruption that literally can't keep the lights on.

jmayo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122169126#Comment_122169126

And worse still the South Africans ignore the ICC when it suits ala them allowing wanted war criminal, president of Sudan, into and out of their country despite an arrest warrant out for him.

They do shag all about the genocides in their own continent often next door to them, but are so exercised when it involves and old enemy on a different continent.

A bunch of chancers no more than our own.

zerosquared

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122168880#Comment_122168880

So who will our dear government ring in the newly recognised Palestinian state to ask for release of hostages?

hotmail.com

More electioneering from the government:

RTE news : Asylum seekers to be means tested under new rules

http://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2024/0523/1450763-asylum-seekers-ireland/

zerosquared

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122172678#Comment_122172678

even less incentive for them to find work and actually contribute to society

Captain_Crash

The current situation is a pressure cooker…. And is going to blow sooner rather than later! I’m up near where the new refugee center was snuck in over the last 48 hrs in Carrickmines and the tension in the area is growing, someone could end up hurt… or even worse!

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122168340#Comment_122168340

With that statement alone he demonstrates Ireland's inferiority and insecurity complex once again as we strive for the approval of, and validation by "our betters"

What "betters"? This is opposed by all those countries people like to claim we are obsequious towards. The notion that Irish leaders are obsessed with being liked and deferring to the US, the EU or whoever else is, and always has been, completely nonsense. Claiming it is the basis of wildly disparate actions is just the height of ridiculousness and, frankly, seems to have a genesis in the very insecurity that is claimed inhabits our government.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122168470#Comment_122168470

The Irish people were intelligent enough aswell to see right through it.

Oxo Moran

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122175486#Comment_122175486

Like the Hate speech bill and practically everything the government do, it was ill conceived and badly managed.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122173684#Comment_122173684

I do believe that senior politicians want to endear themselves to the EU for jobs after Irish politics.

JP Liz V1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122172678#Comment_122172678

How can you means test someone who can't be ID'd, I mean if no documentation or fake documentation

tom23

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122168458#Comment_122168458

Id have to agree with ya… part of me the, cynical bastard part of me… they wanted to get in there before the shinners potentially did. Anyway Irish government for me are the like the 'David Brent' of Europe. Look at me… look at me.

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122175602#Comment_122175602

you and lots of other people, based on nothing whatsoever apart from your own inferiority complex.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122175602#Comment_122175602

The last part of your post is hilarious. Most of the posts that senior politicians go to Europe for are nominated by the Irish government, not the EU, the idea that senior politicians are making decisions based on a job in Europe is up there with aliens all around us conspiracy theories.