FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117923928#Comment_117923928

If the north and the south are so different, that must make unification nearly impossible and hugely expensive, so at least we have cleared that one up.

Shebean

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117924621#Comment_117924621

Same party in two completely different jurisdictions and situations. Seriously, read up.

FF/FG/Green housing policy has failed and the new model is set to fail.

You keep using SF to dodge the discussion and talk about 'bingo buzzwords'.

My coherent talk and rationale stems from property experts and housing bodies looking to a similar model tried and failed in London. Your rational is to talk about Sinn Fein in an effort to deflect.

Shebean

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117924707#Comment_117924707

You don't seem to understand that unification would mean all that would change. Very embarrassed for you.

As for the expense, I never mentioned it. Likely cheaper than the tax payer cleaning up after the next FF/FG/Green crash.

Shebean

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117924582#Comment_117924582

No Fine Gael took him into the fold after his initial antisemitic remarks. The rest he made after he joined.

Varadkar was against victims of rape being able to have an abortion. I'm not sure what personal struggles have to do with being a politician and fighting against that tbh.

You claimed it was nonsense that FG had a far right past. I corrected you. Nothing desperate in clarifying your attempt to re-write history.

Alls I'm saying is traditional FG voters, traditionally the type to have problems with single mothers, the poor and jews, are more likely to spawn the type of dirt would protest a homosexual man than the left as suggested on here, by people like yourself, IMO.

The current leader of FG has in the recent past campaigned against same sex couples having children and rape victims being able to avail of abortion. That is right wing IMO.

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117924751#Comment_117924751

OK, to you they are the same party. So what makes you think this party would make housing work in the Republic where they have failed in the North?

As per your debate. As I already said, the Shared Equity scheme is only a very small part of the plan. Do you even know what else is in the plan? Repeating the same point again and again, is pointless.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117924773#Comment_117924773

Oh dearie me, the simplistic theory of unification again. Just wave the magic wand and we will all be living in a land of milk and honey funded by taxation of unicorns and rainbows.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117924841#Comment_117924841

Read my post again, where I deconstructed your argument and exposed its shortcomings.

FG do not have a far right past, that is utter nonsense, fabrication and Orwellian rightthink. Still your comment about FG voters being traditionally the type to have problems with jews really exposes your lack of knowledge.

dudley72

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117924841#Comment_117924841

Thats the past, what a good political party will do is learn from the past and move onwards and upwards. I am sure FG will say they made mistake before, I am sure FF & Greens will say the same.

Some other parties are just determined to relive the same errors over & over again. We are how many years into the Good Friday agreement and we still have the two main parties bickering over everything and people dying because of it. It's a excellent example close by of political parties never learning or trying to change to provide a better service for the people that voted for them

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117924083#Comment_117924083

This is the one issue successive governments are paying lip service to...

Pensions timebomb waiting to go off unless we take action now (irishtimes.com)

In this case the Government has had time to plan, be prepared and act and that time is now. Luckily, much of the work identifying what needs to be done is already there. The last government set out a detailed plan when it published its Pensions Roadmap almost three years ago. There were a number of different strands to the roadmap but the main ones included reforming the State pension, introducing an automatic enrolment savings system, and improving governance and regulation of private sector pensions.

It is in every one’s interest that this Government gets ahead with implementing the recommendations of the Pensions Roadmap so that we prevent another crisis being visited on us in the near future.

skimpydoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117924949#Comment_117924949

Who is Eoin O'Duffy?

Shebean

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117924889#Comment_117924889

You need to read up and understand that they are two different jurisdictions with two different ways of governing. You refuse to realise that. You also seem to believe SF are in charge rather than part of a shared satellite government of sorts answerable to Westminster.

All we need is any party to do the opposite of what FF/FG/Green are doing. You keep making what FF/FG/Green do about what SF say and do. That's not debate. That's deflection.

The rest of the plan, the parts we already have, don't work. Can you show me some new element that you believe is going to improve things?

Shebean

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117924949#Comment_117924949

I countered your efforts with fact. Flanagan made antisemitic remarks. Was then brought into FG were he made more antisemitic remarks, along with J.J. Walsh TD.

It's common knowledge and historical fact that Fine Gael come from the far right and continued in that manner up until pretty recently.

If FG voters were supporting a party with openly antisemitic TD's, I can only draw that conclusion.

In modern times a party who's leader has fought against same sex couples having children and rape victims availing of abortion services, seems right wing IMO.

Up At Fleecies

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117924707#Comment_117924707

The north/south people aren't different at all, there's a difference in governance, but don't tell me you are so naive you assume that the governance of present day Ireland north/south will be the same government in a future unified island?

Can you tell me the difference in say, a group of lads travelling the short distance from Newry to Dundalk to go on the lash to celebrate a 30th, and a group of lads travelling to Dundalk from Newry to go on the lash to celebrate a 30th?

We are talking about a group of fellas, born and raised a few minutes drive from each other after all. It's not like you'll be comparing a tribal village from French Guiana, with a tribal village from Equatorial Guinea.

Shebean

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117924973#Comment_117924973

It was the other poster claimed FG didn't have such a past at all. I was merely correcting him/her.

Yes. It disgusts me how FF/FG will talk like the GFA never happened to try score points. They should really move on but I expect come the next election they'll start bringing up and using the families of the dead once again.

dudley72

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117925106#Comment_117925106

I remind you again "using the families" ended up getting an apology from a party, a party which refused to apology before the government brought the media attention to it. I think you will find the family in question have no issue with the outcome, of course the preference was to get more than an apology but the particular party would not assist further.

Throwing it up as some sort of "proof" every few days on here is actually the questionable part, as if an apology to the family meant nothing to them.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117925071#Comment_117925071

"It's common knowledge and historical fact". Well at least you made me laugh for a few minutes.

skimpydoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117925637#Comment_117925637

The truth makes you laugh?

Shebean

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117925637#Comment_117925637

I can understand. I suggest you read up rather than laughing to yourself.

Born from Nazism, Antisemitism and in modern times against same sex couples having the same rights as everyone else and against rape victims availing of abortion services, is pretty right wing in my opinion. I'd hate to see what you consider right wing.

skimpydoo

My father is from the hometown of Eoin O'Duffy and his dad said a vote for FG is a vote for the Blue Shirts and O'Duffy.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117925783#Comment_117925783

An Orwellian rightthink version of history.

I don't know where you get your stuff from lads, but I lived through much of that time and you have got it so wrong.

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117925033#Comment_117925033

It's obvious you don't know the extent of powers afforded to the NI Assembly.

Housing is in the remit of the Executive. Westminster has very little or no say in what housing policy is, in Northern Ireland. The fact you want to blame Westminister for the failings of SF is indicative of a refusal to take any responsibility for their bad record on housing in NI.

Some things in the new plan:

The government are going to tax profits by landowners where land is rezoned which is results in an overnight windfall for the landowner. The government is going to take this money and build houses with it.

They are going to arm the new LDA with funds and build public housing on public lands

Part 5 housing going from 10% to 20%

Examine the need for constitutional change in relation to property rights.

Looking at the planning system to see how one can alleviate bottlenecks.

Pathetic but not surprising to see Leo V resort to blame and score political points on SF in leaders questions re student accommodation and the the pressures facing students. The sooner Leo V and FG are out of government, the better.

McMurphy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117928536#Comment_117928536

This Dr Harold account cracks me up at times.

https://twitter.com/DrHaroldNews/status/1440652735142006793?s=19

Shebean

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117927339#Comment_117927339

You are the one constantly comparing Stormont to the Dail. They are not the same.

You are the one constantly talking about SF when I criticise FF/FG/Green housing policy with links to back my opinion up.

You are the one refusing to post any positives from the new plan.

You are ducking and diving and deflecting.

The FF/FG/Green housing policy has failed and will continue to do so.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117929591#Comment_117929591

Lol, you fell right for it.

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117928795#Comment_117928795

You are the one refusing to post any positives from the new plan.

I literally posted 5 points about it, can you not read?

Shebean

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117929806#Comment_117929806

I saw some ifs and buts. You do realise we are dealing with people who count buying houses at market as 'social housing builds' and leasing and renting from cuckoo funds as a win?

markodaly

Dr. Harold News is Left-Wing activism dressed up as comedy.

https://twitter.com/DrHaroldNews/status/1436704561889222664

Remember the time Roman Shortall was the flavour of the day by the usual crew? His left-wing credentials were apparently impeccable, that was until he was outed by having underpaid and shafted vulnerable immigrants for work he was involved in. He went off crying about being 'bullied' online when he himself was one of the biggest bullies out there.

I wonder what he is up to lately? lol

McMurphy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117929836#Comment_117929836

Did you just question someone's reading ability, and then go on to post a long winded rant about a Roman Shorthall (who I neither know, nor care for) despite this?

https://twitter.com/DrHaroldNews/status/1436704569766162435?s=19

Are you and blanch the haymaker bros or what is it with your insatiable appetite for placing your brogues in your gobs?

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117929830#Comment_117929830

No ifs and buts, again you are plainly dishonest and have no intention to actually debate the new plan, you just want to repeat the same tired soundbites in every post, as if that is debate. That is the same debating techniques of anti-vaxxers.

To repeat my earlier post and points about the new plan.

The government are going to tax profits by landowners where land is rezoned which results in an overnight windfall for the landowner. The government is going to take this money and build houses with it.

They are going to arm the new LDA with funds and build public housing on public lands

Part 5 housing going from 10% to 20%

Examine the need for constitutional change in relation to property rights.

Looking at the planning system to see how one can alleviate bottlenecks.

Now you can either debate these points individually and on their merit, or you can just copy and paste some jargon in an attempt to appear clever.

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117929857#Comment_117929857

Dr Harold News is the new Roman Shorthall tweet of the day. There is barely a day that goes by you don't copy and paste one of his tweets here, in order to appear funny, clever, or both.

I asked you 2 days ago if you were ever interested in any debate about policy... and here you are spamming threads from some Cork Left-Wing trade unionist for $hits and giggles. That shows us all what you are interested in, and there ain't any truth or honesty in it.

Shebean

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117929865#Comment_117929865

Again, dishonest? Disagreeing with your deflection and nonsense is all legit my friend.

So if land is rezoned for housing builds, anyone making profit will be taxed and the government will use that money on housing? What sort, buying or leasing?

By build public housing are we paying developers to build or continuing to buy/lease private builds?

Housing going from 10% to 20%, is that including leasing and buying from cuckoo funds?

What changes, forcing retirees to downsize, making people sell land for a song?

You have offered nothing concrete. I have ten years of crisis and reports from experts and housing bodies who say the new elements modelled like London will not work.

Now if they are cutting back on leasing and buying in favour of social and affordable builds, built for and on behalf of the state to use, brilliant, well done them. You'll understand I'll believe it when I see it. We've had ten years of emergency accommodation and 'but we need houses now', but no marked policy change.

Brucie Bonus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117930104#Comment_117930104

I think if you label someone as liking racists and anti-gay people, and get called to explain yourself, you can say you were just having the craic?

Beasty

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117929646#Comment_117929646

A number of posts deleted - blanch152 threadbanned

0ph0rce0

I was in the car earlier, the news came on. "Eruption in the Dáil"

They played a clip and the same oul shite not answering anything and just deflecting.

I was hoping to hear a "**** you deputy stag" moment.

Someone to just stand up and shout **** you leo, we're not in the **** north.

I was disappointed.

Shebean

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117930526#Comment_117930526

From what I read it's the usual FG accepting there's a problem, doing nothing and then pointing to SF up north. Happens on here too. Complete farce.

Cluedo Monopoly

I smile when I see posters describing FFG politicians as centrist or left/right leaning. They are none of the above. FFG TDs will adopt any flavour that gets them votes and keeps them on the gravy train. The arrogance of 100 years of power has led to a culture where becoming a TD is a license to feather your nest and grow an empire. The likes of Dara Murphy, Bailey, Farrell, Mulherins don't care whether they are seen as left or right as long as they cling onto their precious seat with access to the trough.

I even look at how much socialist Labour have changed. Eamon Gilmore led Labour to their largest electoral victory ever in 2011 (37 seats!) and then proceeded to milk his time as tanaiste for all it was worth while his party lost it's identity. I believe he is still a 'special envoy' for something-or-other in the EU still (i.e. golden circle). I look at how Alan Kelly celebrated keeping his seat after his disastrous stint trying to help FG and Trickle Hogan privatise Irish Water. Then I look at our own Michael D Higgins (Galway West) - for all his socialist rhetoric when I was in UCG, he is a very rich man now living in a palace in Dublin 😉

Naw lads, don't make me laugh - most of them are pigs in the trough. Don't be fooled by the labels.

Muahahaha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117929865#Comment_117929865

To repeat my earlier post and points about the new plan.

The government are going to tax profits by landowners where land is rezoned which results in an overnight windfall for the landowner. The government is going to take this money and build houses with it.

This just goes to show how easily you are tricked by Fine Gael. There already was an 80% windfall tax applied to land that was rezoned from argicultural to residential for development. But it was removed in 2015 at the behest of property developers and vulture funds. And who removed it? Fine Gael did, thats who, Baldy Noonan ever the vultures friend.

And yet here you on here touting this as a 'new plan' when all it is doing is trying to fix the damage caused by Fine Gaels own previous cock up in the first place.

You've been tricked by your own party marko, you swallowed their spin hook, line and sinker.

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117930152#Comment_117930152

Ill address each 'point' separately

a) From what I understand building

b) The State pays a developer to build public housing, do have an alternative model? Do you think the state should create a developer company?

c) Separate. All new estates over a certain threshold of new builds (I think its something like 12) need to allocated 10% of its new builds to social housing given over to the Local Authority. Now that doubles from 10% to 20%. E.g. I a developer builds a new estate with 200 houses on it, 40 of those new builds have to be sold to the Local Authority.

d) There is nothing forcing retires to downsize but they are looking at ways to free up family homes where only one person is living in it.

e) I just posted 5 points and you dismiss them all with an incoherent ramble of very very basic questions.

f) Central government doesn't lease, local authorities do.

g) 4,000 affordable homes to purchase each year, 2,000 cost rental homes per year, 10,000 social homes to be built every year, 1,200 "housing first" tenancies

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117931315#Comment_117931315

It was done in 2015 when the country didn't have a pot to piss in and he was trying to get inwards investment. The issue of course, is that it stayed like that too long. It went from 80% to 33% as he brought back in CGT for all property-related purchases.

Why do you have to personalise it?

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117930846#Comment_117930846

So they are all the same, is what you are telling me, including the SD's, SF and PBP....

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117931508#Comment_117931508

Read it again, I think you missed the key ingredient - the arrogance and corruption of long term power.

Brucie Bonus

Be interesting to see how this Slaintecare situation evolves, just before the traditional, never saw it coming, people on trolleys in the corridor yuletide festivities. I wonder will the private care homes throw the tax payer a few bed spots?

Brucie Bonus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117931503#Comment_117931503

Is this one of those ones were you are exempt if you have a big toe on each foot?

THE DÁIL HAS passed a controversial amendment that allows funds to side-step 10% stamp duty if they lease back houses to the State for social housing.

Last month, the government moved to introduce a new 10% rate of stamp duty on bulk purchases of 10 homes or more last month. 

However, the amendment that came before the Dáil this evening will exempt institutional investors from the charge under these circumstances. Jul 7th 2021

Brucie Bonus

I get great laugh when I read this type of thing:

Councillor David McManus of Fine Gael supported the deal, saying that the country is in the middle of a housing crisis and that affordable and social housing is needed now, not in ten years' time.

You would think Fine Gael only got into office this morning.

Sure more of the same will fix it 😏

McMurphy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117934620#Comment_117934620

He's a fairly dimwitted individual that fella, witnessed him get torn to shreds one day when he was giving it large about (think it was Pearse Doherty) a shinner "leaking something" on twitter that they literally had obtained via get ready......

Freedom of information. I'm not messing. 🤣

He's fairly shameless that lad, wouldn't be the fizziest can of pop in the fridge if you get my drift.

dudley72

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117934620#Comment_117934620

I guess this is from this article.

https://www.rte.ie/news/dublin/2021/0913/1246534-proposal-public-land/

Yurt2

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Yurt2

Edit: forgot I was banned from this thread. Deleted.

Brucie Bonus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117934992#Comment_117934992

Yes. Cheers.