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The_Kew_Tour

This summer will tell a lot.

If we don't invest in the squad its really going be difficult to see us being anywhere but 4th to 5th in table next season.

I don't have any faith in Glazers giving a helping hand, I just hope protests work some bit.

Caegan

Adamocovic wrote: »

That Glazer response shouldn’t be taken at face value.

It’s only theory. Until there’s actually actions to move in that directions it’s little more than words.

Yeah, talk is cheap. Let's see if they do any of the things that need to be done.

PhlegmyMoses

Anybody expecting big investment this summer is in for a big disappointment. Signings will total less than 100m for definite.

Mitch Connor

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

Anybody expecting big investment this summer is in for a big disappointment. Signings will total less than 100m for definite.

That is why I reckon a DM and Sancho is likely the best we can hope for. And will probably require sales (Jones, Lingard, Pereira, Matic?) to partially cover.

The_Kew_Tour

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

Anybody expecting big investment this summer is in for a big disappointment. Signings will total less than 100m for definite.

That's why going after so many English players will be a disaster.

Get Kane but forget about Rice.

Plenty good CDM in Europe if need be.

Have to invest wisely but this thing with United and English players paying over the odds needs calm down.

Mitch Connor

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

That's why going after so many English players will be a disaster.

Get Kane but forget about Rice.

Plenty good CDM in Europe if need be.

Have to invest wisely but this thing with United and English players paying over the odds needs calm down.

Cavani, VDB, Telles - our signings last summer, none of them English. Previous signing: Bruno, not english.

The_Kew_Tour

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Cavani, VDB, Telles - our signings last summer, none of them English. Previous signing: Bruno, not english.

Jesus christ.

Its painful when get a response like this.

Mitch Connor

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Jesus christ.

Its painful when get a response like this.

Why? your comment says "this thing with United and English players paying over the odds needs calm down"

The last 4 signings we made were not english players. We also tried to sign Haaland, again not english, January 19.

The narrative that United are pursuing English players above all, because we signed Maguire and AWB, and wanted Sancho (and Bellingham) just doesn't ring true in reality.

In terms of ability (rather than nationality) I don't see what the complaint over Bellingham or Sancho would be.

So what is the problem with my response to your assertion that United need to calm down an English bent on transfers - with the fact none of our last 4 signings have been english?

PhlegmyMoses

Will be a similar profile to last season. Couple of players from the bargain bin and then a semi expensive player. Hopefully the bargain bin throws up another Cavani

Headshot

Rubbish from Glazers and full of empty promises. We utd fans dont forget the past 16years

I'm delighted that we got this letter as it feels the protests are working and we need to keep the pressure on at every home game

pjohnson

Mitch Connor wrote: »

That is why I reckon a DM and Sancho is likely the best we can hope for. And will probably require sales (Jones, Lingard, Pereira, Matic?) to partially cover.

Hope we dont sell Matic think he provides more to the team than we could get for him. He steadied the ship lastnight when it was sommersalting around like a coked up seal.

Mitch Connor

pjohnson wrote: »

Hope we dont sell Matic think he provides more to the team than we could get for him. He steadied the ship lastnight when it was sommersalting around like a coked up seal.

IMO we need a first team first choice player doing what Matic was capable of - we play McT and Fred together cause Matic can't do it to the level he used to be able to.

Liam O

Mitch Connor wrote: »

IMO we need a first team first choice player doing what Matic was capable of - we play McT and Fred together cause Matic can't do it to the level he used to be able to.

The game has moved on from that. If you don't have a 4-2-3-1 you need 3 runners in a 4-3-3. There is simply too much covering to do to leave 1 player in charge of it. Rice or whoever may well be a top class midfielder in the making but his whole career has been spent beside another player. You are looking to fill a role that United don't have.

Now obviously flexibility in tactics is good but with Bruno playing the role he is you can't have a lone DM.

Lithium93_

https://twitter.com/WayneSBarton/status/1390410640477593607

pjohnson

Liam O wrote: »

The game has moved on from that. If you don't have a 4-2-3-1 you need 3 runners in a 4-3-3. There is simply too much covering to do to leave 1 player in charge of it. Rice or whoever may well be a top class midfielder in the making but his whole career has been spent beside another player. You are looking to fill a role that United don't have.

Now obviously flexibility in tactics is good but with Bruno playing the role he is you can't have a lone DM.

Yep. Rice has looked good this year and 90% of the time has had Soucek beside him.

Mantis Toboggan

Mitch Connor wrote: »

IMO we need a first team first choice player doing what Matic was capable of - we play McT and Fred together cause Matic can't do it to the level he used to be able to.

You'd swear matic was 36, he's only 32 he hasn't done much for us for a number of years. Had a few good seasons but is getting largely overrated, I keep hearing he was this or that in his prime, he was never a world class player.

jimmytwotimes 2013

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

This summer will tell a lot.

If we don't invest in the squad its really going be difficult to see us being anywhere but 4th to 5th in table next season.

I don't have any faith in Glazers giving a helping hand, I just hope protests work some bit.

Third time we've been in this position post-Moyes. We failed to capitalise on early, modest gains under LVG and Mourinho.

A big summer, more to see if owners attitude has changed than anything else.

S.M.B.

While Matic did a good job when he came in last night (even though it was a reasonably simple job of just not losing the ball on the edge of the box under Roma's intense high press) I still found the contrast between his current role at United compared to the now 36 year old Fernandinho at City both ridiculous and a little depressing.

Our 32 year old specialist DM is reduced to a bit part player whereas their 36 year old equivalent is putting in near a MotM level performance in a CL semi final.

PARlance

Leicester doing their best to let us have 2nd

StringerBell

PARlance wrote: »

Leicester doing their best to let us have 2nd

They will probably do their level best to mess up top 4 sure

PARlance

StringerBell wrote: »

They will probably do their level best to mess up top 4 sure

It would be some collapse but it's looking possible. Us, Chelsea and Spurs after this, not the easiest of run ins.

Mantis Toboggan

PARlance wrote: »

Leicester doing their best to let us have 2nd

Wow! Go on brucie

S.M.B.

Have Leicester one eye on the FA Cup next weekend?

Second place could be pretty much in the bag by the end of the weekend.

El Gato De Negocios

Just finished up the Fergie documentary, obviously biased but I thought it was effing brilliant, serious goosebumps watching it.

RobbingBandit

6 points from the 5 remaining games will clinch 2nd

ironing if its 5 draws would be delicious:D

A Villa Leicester Liverpool Fulham Wolves

Thats the job get it done boys GET IT DONE.

The Big Easy

StringerBell wrote: »

They will probably do their level best to mess up top 4 sure

Wow, wasn't watching, but that's a huge loss for them. If they'd win tonight they were pretty much over the line.

If they blow it again, it wouldn't look great for Rodgers as regards finishing the job.

unplayable

El Gato De Negocios wrote: »

Just finished up the Fergie documentary, obviously biased but I thought it was effing brilliant, serious goosebumps watching it.

same i am a wreck after it tbh

El Gato De Negocios

unplayable wrote: »

same i am a wreck after it tbh

When that man dies.

Pipmae

El Gato De Negocios wrote: »

Just finished up the Fergie documentary, obviously biased but I thought it was effing brilliant, serious goosebumps watching it.

What channel was it on?

FourFourRED

El Gato De Negocios wrote: »

Just finished up the Fergie documentary, obviously biased but I thought it was effing brilliant, serious goosebumps watching it.

Only 40 mins in so far and it’s fantastic. Great that he was able to make this while he’s still alive.

El Gato De Negocios

FourFourRED wrote: »

Only 40 mins in so far and it’s fantastic. Great that he was able to make this while he’s still alive.

I'd say the brain haemorrhage is what sparked the making of it tbh.

It's hard to not compare and contrast Fergies beginnings at the club with that of Ole. He was under immense pressure from the fans, alot wanted to see him leave but the FA cup kept him in the job then the signing of Cantona was the final piece to spark the revolution. The belief and ethos in having a core of young, homegrown talent is obviously something OGS has too. Winning the EL could be Oles FA cup win.

You'd love to think that Ole is a Cantona away from doing something special. Most likely wishful thinking but you never know with football.

Tippex

I'm surprised there is nothing in here about the UEFA sanctions that have been handed out.
https://www.uefa.com/insideuefa/mediaservices/mediareleases/news/0269-123871bd86ca-d9571aa78f72-1000--uefa-approves-reintegration-measures-for-nine-clubs-involved-in/

Real, Barca & Juve are not included and are going to be sanctioned separately as they have not indicated they are pulling out of it.

v3ttel

Father Hernandez wrote: »

I received the below from United in an email just now, apparently to be published to the website shortly.

To be honest, the bit that seems the most bullsh!tty to me is that he will only meet with the fans forum after the season is over. He is not playing, FFS. What's the hold up?

It really reads like "Let me promise you a meeting in a few weeks, so you stop the protests now and then this will all lose momentum over the Summer and we'll be back to normal by the start of next season"

The only thing that gives me a bit of hope is that the likes of Rio, Scholes and Neville are all throwing their voices behind this, so it will keep momentum. Evra is obviously as mad as a bag of cats, but he did say that he believes Joel (at least), does love the club. There's an interview he did with media after Bucs superbowl win where he does seem somewhat human and capable of listening (available on YouTube).

At least we are guaranteed to see investment in the squad this Summer now. There'll literally be riots again if not.

Old Trafford is long overdue an extension to the south stand. The railway behind it has been an issue, but I was told by someone who works at the ground that there is no issue with that any more. They can literally just leave it in place and expand over the top of it. I was finding it difficult to get picked for tickets in any of the ballots for big games, and even for the likes of Everton & Villa, only the terrible tickets were remaining months ahead of the games. The demand is going to be crazy once things get back to normal and particularly because we seem to actually have taken big steps in the right direction.

Talk to is cheap. Investment in the stadium, land around Old Trafford, training ground and playing squad is not. Until we start to see some change, the protests shouldn't stop. Hopefully we don't see further games disrupted though.

Wolftown

Where can the Fergie documentary be watched? Can't wait to see it!

kippy

El Gato De Negocios wrote: »

I'd say the brain haemorrhage is what sparked the making of it tbh.

It's hard to not compare and contrast Fergies beginnings at the club with that of Ole. He was under immense pressure from the fans, alot wanted to see him leave but the FA cup kept him in the job then the signing of Cantona was the final piece to spark the revolution. The belief and ethos in having a core of young, homegrown talent is obviously something OGS has too. Winning the EL could be Oles FA cup win.

You'd love to think that Ole is a Cantona away from doing something special. Most likely wishful thinking but you never know with football.

Bruno-Cantona?

El Gato De Negocios

kippy wrote: »

Bruno-Cantona?

I don't think so, we need that X factor that Cantona had. Bruno is a super player and has clearly raised our level a notch but we need someone to finish us off.

Zico

El Gato De Negocios wrote: »

You'd love to think that Ole is a Cantona away from doing something special. Most likely wishful thinking but you never know with football.

Need a reverse of Fergie's controversial clear out in 1995. Utd are an Ince, Hughes and Kanchelskis away from a proper title challenge.

The Big Easy

Zico wrote: »

Need a reverse of Fergie's controversial clear out in 1995. Utd are an Ince, Hughes and Kanchelskis away from a proper title challenge.

Ha! Nice, those three especially are such throwbacks to a bygone era. Loved all three but you just don't see their ilk anymore for whatever reason. Their directness I suppose, particularly Kanchelskis and Ince.

Hughes was a superstar though and would still be worldclass in today's game.

There's more than a bit of the guv'nor in McTominay though I think! :pac:

Mitch Connor

El Gato De Negocios wrote: »

I don't think so, we need that X factor that Cantona had. Bruno is a super player and has clearly raised our level a notch but we need someone to finish us off.

We need more quality players, but in terms of impact, presence and influence Bruno is that cantona.

Cantona had ince, Bruce, pallister, irwin, Hughes, Schmeichel etc.

Signing haaland would take us up a level, but he wouldn't be a cantona, he'd be a superb player in a role United need.

S.M.B.

This talk of Cantona being the final piece of the puzzle and Ole bringing up the final few weeks of the 91/92 season in reference to the upcoming fixture congestion made me realise that I have no recollection of what happened at the end of that season to give Leeds the title.

Was the squad depth not there to manage 5 league games in 10 days? Did the team "bottle it" and the disappointment fueled the title charge the following season? Did Ferguson shoulder any of the responsibility during the off season?

I genuinely have no recollection of that crucial run in period where we took 1 point from a possible 12. I do have very vivid memories of the following season though.

The_Kew_Tour

S.M.B. wrote: »

This talk of Cantona being the final piece of the puzzle and Ole bringing up the final few weeks of the 91/92 season in reference to the upcoming fixture congestion made me realise that I have no recollection of what happened at the end of that season to give Leeds the title.

Was the squad depth not there to manage 5 league games in 10 days? Did the team "bottle it" and the disappointment fueled the title charge the following season? Did Ferguson shoulder any of the responsibility during the off season?

I genuinely have no recollection of that crucial run in period where we took 1 point from a possible 12. I do have very vivid memories of the following season though.

From mid April on
We won the league Cup v Forest and following week we played them at home and lost. We were still in front by point(2 points for win back then) and I remember my dad going London to see us play West Ham who were poor at the time. We lost that game (my dad remembers their fans celebrating like they won league) and we had really get a win at Anfield then and lost easily enough 2-0. I remember crying after that one. Even as a kid that season hurt

fergiesfolly

S.M.B. wrote: »

This talk of Cantona being the final piece of the puzzle and Ole bringing up the final few weeks of the 91/92 season in reference to the upcoming fixture congestion made me realise that I have no recollection of what happened at the end of that season to give Leeds the title.

Was the squad depth not there to manage 5 league games in 10 days? Did the team "bottle it" and the disappointment fueled the title charge the following season? Did Ferguson shoulder any of the responsibility during the off season?

I genuinely have no recollection of that crucial run in period where we took 1 point from a possible 12. I do have very vivid memories of the following season though.

Our form fell off a cliff and there was a small squad so injuries to key players hit hard.
Ferguson went in hard for Alan Shearer that summer but couldn't get him.
We subsequently signed a certain mercurial Frenchman, which didn't turn out so badly. I wonder sometimes how things might've turned out if we got Shearer instead.

Similar thing happened during the 85/86 season(that one actually hurt more) when Atkinson was manager. They had a solid lead at Christmas but imploded over the next couple of months and Liverpool cruised to the title.That was the end of his reign and heralded the arrival of SAF.

The_Kew_Tour

Oh and I think we drew with Luton around that time too. I'm open for correction. Might have been away from home but we were expected to win. Think that was around same time as league Cup. I kinda want forget about it.

Bleating Lamb

Remember 91 disappointment too well.....would be like if Liverpool didn’t end up winning the league last year for their fans iykwim.

Can’t remember who exactly got injured but we were severely stretched especially in midfield for that run of games over a short span of time and the team started to look very leggy and the heads dropped after the first poor performance.
Another way of looking at it would be that Fergie learned from it and signed Cantona and a few other lads to boost the squad going forward.

In regards to not getting Shearer,I think Utd would have won a European Cup had he been in the squad with Cantona for a few years as we were really hindered by the ‘foreigners’ rule in Europe at the time.

The_Kew_Tour

Bleating Lamb wrote: »

In regards to not getting Shearer,I think Utd would have won a European Cup had he been in the squad with Cantona for a few years as we were really hindered by the ‘foreigners’ rule in Europe at the time.

That was a nuts rule. Thankfully well gone

The Big Easy

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

That was a nuts rule. Thankfully well gone

Might be coming back though

Your Airbag

[Rob Harris, AP] BREAKING: 9 of the 12 Super League clubs formally renounce the breakaway to UEFA but will have 5% of their European competition revenue withheld for 1 season. 3 remaining rebel teams now face disciplinary action from UEFA - Juventus, Barcelona and Real Madrid



[COPE] After the Champions League final, UEFA President Aleksander Čeferin will propose to exclude Real Madrid, Barcelona and Juventus out of European competition for 2 years.

S.M.B.

Forgot it was only 2 points for a win so we took 1 point from 8 over an 8 day period.

Draw against Luton and the losses against Forrest, West Ham and Liverpool as mentioned.

PARlance

Mitch Connor wrote: »

We need more quality players, but in terms of impact, presence and influence Bruno is that cantona.

Cantona had ince, Bruce, pallister, irwin, Hughes, Schmeichel etc.

Signing haaland would take us up a level, but he wouldn't be a cantona, he'd be a superb player in a role United need.

I'm a big fan of Bruno but he doesn't have the presence or influence as Cantona. His impact has been comparable, albeit from a lower base. Add an awful lot of Ibra to Bruno and you're probably getting a bit closer to the presence of Cantona.

Maybe it's my age, the age I was when Cantona signed, or the fact that the game today is a more open/global game... But "another Cantona" is just impossible.

jimmytwotimes 2013

Zico wrote: »

Need a reverse of Fergie's controversial clear out in 1995. Utd are an Ince, Hughes and Kanchelskis away from a proper title challenge.

lol very good

Brazil still hasn't forgiven you for your penalty miss btw