All Ireland Senior Hurling Championship (Liam McCarthy Cup) 2021

irelandrover

giveitholly wrote: »

Bar the penalty call what did he get wrong?

Barrett should have gone for a second yellow. The tipp player that got booked for a hurley to the head should have gone. The penalty at the end not given.

They are huge decisions. But as a Clare fan I'm biased so I'd be curious what the neutrals think of those incidents.

Swamp_Cat

Fred Astaire wrote: »

HAHA.


Christ - Tipp were well capable of beating Clare without the penalty.

We'll never know will we.

4Ad

Tipp fully deserved to win..ref made some poor decisions..
I'm a Clare man so a bit biased !

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breezy1985 wrote: »

If it was me ide be giving a free out. I can only guess at what he was thinking

Daly, Tyrrell, Anna Geary saying it should be a Clare penalty on RTE so you seem to be in the minority.

irishlad.

The ref needs to use his linesmen and umpires.

He bursted in and gave a penalty without any consultation

giveitholly

irelandrover wrote: »

Barrett should have gone for a second yellow. The tipp player that got booked for a hurley to the head should have gone. The penalty at the end not given.

They are huge decisions. But as a Clare fan I'm biased so I'd be curious what the neutrals think of those incidents.

First yellow Barrett got was not a yellow,that Hurley to the head was a genuine attempt to win the ball and the penalty at the end,both players were grappling with each other

supernova5

never seen one team get shafted as badly by a bastard referee in my whole life watching hurling, that's all of 52 years

timple23

"if a player with a goal-scoring opportunity either inside the 20-metre line or the semi-circular arc that extends from the 20 metre line is pulled down, tripped, or struck with a hurley in a careless manner then a penalty shall be awarded and the offender will be yellow-carded and sent to the sin-bin for 10 minutes."

its fair to say that Morris was tripped.

Fred Astaire

External Association wrote: »

Daly, Tyrrell, Anna Geary saying it should be a Clare penalty on RTE so you seem to be in the minority.

Wow, the Clareman, the Kilkenny man and the Cork woman are against Tipperary who have no representation on the panel.

Colour me shocked! :eek::eek::eek:

Clareman

timple23 wrote: »

"if a player with a goal-scoring opportunity either inside the 20-metre line or the semi-circular arc that extends from the 20 metre line is pulled down, tripped, or struck with a hurley in a careless manner then a penalty shall be awarded and the offender will be yellow-carded and sent to the sin-bin for 10 minutes."

its fair to say that Morris was tripped.

No 1 is denying the fact that he was tripped, I would question that it was "a goal-scoring opportunity", if that was a goal scoring opportunity

Fred Astaire

supernova5 wrote: »

never seen one team get shafted as badly by a bastard referee in my whole life watching hurling, that's all of 52 years

Give over, Tipp got shafted worse 2 years ago vs Wexford in an All Ireland Semi Final and managed to win.

Clareman

That's a clear cut penalty at the end, struggling to see a Clare foul there.

I see sheep

timple23 wrote: »

"if a player with a goal-scoring opportunity either inside the 20-metre line or the semi-circular arc that extends from the 20 metre line is pulled down, tripped, or struck with a hurley in a careless manner then a penalty shall be awarded and the offender will be yellow-carded and sent to the sin-bin for 10 minutes."

its fair to say that Morris was tripped.

What are you on about, read the first 8 words again yourself.

caddy16

giveitholly wrote: »

First yellow Barrett got was not a yellow,that Hurley to the head was a genuine attempt to win the ball and the penalty at the end,both players were grappling with each other

As a Clare man I agree with you to the most part. Barretts 1st yellow was harsh but that doesn't matter if the 2nd was fairly clear cut. Penalty at the end was probably a penalty but agreed both were at it, not clear cut.

Clareman

It is the decision of the Referee as to whether it is a goal-scoring opportunity or not, but it must be inside the 20m line or the semi-circular arc.
Key factors the referee should consider.
• Where the foul occurred?
• How many defenders are between the attaching player and the goals?
• Could another defender make a tackle before reaching the goals?
• How many players are in the area in front of the goals?

https://www.gaa.ie/news/referees-ready-to-implement-new-playing-rules/

The ref got that completely wrong, no other way about it.

SunnySundays

irelandrover wrote: »

Barrett should have gone for a second yellow. The tipp player that got booked for a hurley to the head should have gone. The penalty at the end not given.

They are huge decisions. But as a Clare fan I'm biased so I'd be curious what the neutrals think of those incidents.

Neutral in terms of the teams but have often struggled with James Owens' decision making!!

Barrett should have got a second yellow but first one is probably debatable.

The second penalty decision was in my opinion a 50/50 call but think there was a much stronger case for a penalty there than the one given.

GoldFour4

As a Tipp man I couldn’t have any gripes if a penalty was given against Heffernan at the end.

Don’t think Barrett deserved to go. Correct me if I’m wrong but that was his first foul since the yellow was given. If the same tackle was made a bit closer in them possibly but it was around midfield I think?

The penalty rule went for Tipp today but no doubt it could go against Tipp in the next couple of games.

big_drive

Clare got an awful deal off ref there today. And that's from a Cork man with no great love of Clare
They were as close to robbed as you'll see

Crazy if calls like that are given later in championship

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Fred Astaire wrote: »

Wow, the Clareman, the Kilkenny man and the Cork woman are against Tipperary who have no representation on the panel.

Colour me shocked! :eek::eek::eek:

They're all fair analysts.

Ye got a penalty ye shouldn't have got. 10 min extra man. Barrett should have had a second yellow.

Shanagher should have a penalty.

Very jammy. Limerick will beat ye easily in the final, ye might have been better off in the qualifiers.

Pogue eile

irelandrover wrote: »

Barrett should have gone for a second yellow. The tipp player that got booked for a hurley to the head should have gone. The penalty at the end not given.

They are huge decisions. But as a Clare fan I'm biased so I'd be curious what the neutrals think of those incidents.

Barret's yellow was comical and I actually think it was mistaken idendity, he suggested it was for consistent fouling and it was the first free he had given away.

Not sure which Tipp player you are reffering to but I cant imagine it was any worse to the hurley to the head on Alan Flynn.

I thought it was a penalty at the end alright.

awaywithyou

giveitholly wrote: »

First yellow Barrett got was not a yellow,that Hurley to the head was a genuine attempt to win the ball and the penalty at the end,both players were grappling with each other

I must arrange a Trip to specsavers for u....

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Fred Astaire wrote: »

Give over, Tipp got shafted worse 2 years ago vs Wexford in an All Ireland Semi Final and managed to win.

Tipp who shafted Laois with all their diving in the quarters that year. Paudie Maher is meant to be this big man and he rolling around like a baby for every little contact. Got Aaron Dunphy sent off.

Pogue eile

External Association wrote: »

They're all fair analysts.

Ye got a penalty ye shouldn't have got. 10 min extra man. Barrett should have had a second yellow.

Shanagher should have a penalty.

Very jammy. Limerick will beat ye easily in the final, ye might have been better off in the qualifiers.

100%, pure poxed.

I really just hope that we dont embarrass ourselves in the final if we can keep it under 10 pts it will be a great result for us.

giveitholly

awaywithyou wrote: »

I must arrange a Trip to specsavers for u....

Thanks,pm me with the details

BQQ

The rule has to go ( or at least be changed )
Even if there wasn’t the huge grey area of what constitutes a goal scoring opportunity, the punishment is too severe
A sin bin AND a penalty just kills the game stone dead
One foul and it’s game over

newhouse87

External Association wrote: »

Tipp who shafted Laois with all their diving in the quarters that year. Paudie Maher is meant to be this big man and he rolling around like a baby for every little contact. Got Aaron Dunphy sent off.

Post of the year, yeah tipp would have struggled to beat laois with 15 men. Great analysis.

Fred Astaire

External Association wrote: »

They're all fair analysts.

Ye got a penalty ye shouldn't have got. 10 min extra man. Barrett should have had a second yellow.

Shanagher should have a penalty.

Very jammy. Limerick will beat ye easily in the final, ye might have been better off in the qualifiers.

First yellow for Barrett was very soft.
Penalty at the end both of them in it.


If a team is any good they can overcome these things. Not everything goes exactly according to plan during a game. I've already brought up Tipp v Wexford from 2 years ago where there were 3 goals not given to Tipp and a Wexford goal which shouldn't have stood - along with Tipp having to win with 14 men for 20 minutes being 6 points behind.


Sure Tipp got the rub of the green with some decisions but a half decent team there would have dug in for the 10 minutes and had another go after the water break. Rather than totally lose the head.

Fred Astaire

External Association wrote: »

Tipp who shafted Laois with all their diving in the quarters that year. Paudie Maher is meant to be this big man and he rolling around like a baby for every little contact. Got Aaron Dunphy sent off.

Yeah the All Ireland champions of 2019 really shafted Laois!?!

Take a walk it might do you some good, you've lost any sense of perspective.

Coneygree

Lohan looks like he's ready to put on the guard less red helmet and kill a few lads on the pitch and he might start with the RTE interviewer.

Clareman

BQQ wrote: »

The rule has to go ( or at least be changed )
Even if there wasn’t the huge grey area of what constitutes a goal scoring opportunity, the punishment is too severe
A sin bin AND a penalty just kills the game stone dead
One foul and it’s game over

The rule itself is fine, there was a problem with cynical fouling coming into the game, a few goals last night wouldn't have happened if the rule wasn't in place. The problem is with the interpretation of what is a "goal scoring opportunity"

newhouse87

External Association wrote: »

Well the Tipp sissies diving ruined a decent game. Gym built sissies. No John Doyle's in Tipp these days

haha laois in a decent hurling game.

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newhouse87 wrote: »

haha laois in a decent hurling game.

They were level with ye at the sending off. Go listen to the Two Johnnies and celebrate your great victory

Pogue eile

A Laois man questioning the mettle of Tipperary, I have literally seen it all now, have a lie down for yourself like a good young lad.

Speakerboxx

giveitholly wrote: »

Bar the penalty call what did he get wrong?

Clare should have got a blatant penalty as well.

4Ad

BQQ wrote: »

The rule has to go ( or at least be changed )
Even if there wasn’t the huge grey area of what constitutes a goal scoring opportunity, the punishment is too severe
A sin bin AND a penalty just kills the game stone dead
One foul and it’s game over

Not always game over but it did today !!

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Pogue eile wrote: »

A Laois man questioning the mettle of Tipperary, I have literally seen it all now, have a lie down for yourself like a good young lad.

Ye are soft. We don't have the talent. Ye had the best in the country over the last 10 years and can't put 2 back to back???? Soft.

newhouse87

External Association wrote: »

They were level with ye at the sending off. Go listen to the Two Johnnies and celebrate your great victory

Somebody from the Queens county shouldn't be commenting on hurling. Have a nice evening. Hope the leaving cert went good for you.

Mantis Toboggan

Swamp_Cat wrote: »

Only way Tipp were going to win. Yet another boring, pathetic game from the Munster championship. Bar a few decent matches, it's got to be the least entertaining comp going.

Tipp absolutely were handed that "win". Nobody's gonna fear them.

Bit harsh, 50/50 game, twas definitely a goal opportunity and it was a stupid tackle but it was a very harsh decision against Clare. Clare didn't didn't respond well though and ran out of steam towards the end.

Brian017

This thread is a barrell of laughs this weekend. KK and Limerick are thugs. Cork, Wexford and Tipp are a bunch of divers. Eoin Murphy has a special kind of hurl that bends. Do you lads like anyone at all? :pac:

newhouse87

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Bit harsh, 50/50 game, twas definitely a goal opportunity and it was a stupid tackle but it was a very harsh decision against Clare. Clare didn't didn't respond well though and ran out of steam towards the end.

Hes from Kilkenny, what do you expect. At least tipp aren't relying on a 33 year old to still win them games,

Pogue eile

Brian017 wrote: »

This thread is a barrell of laughs this weekend. KK and Limerick are thugs. Cork, Wexford and Tipp are a bunch of divers. Eoin Murphy has a special kind of hurl that bends. Do you lads like anyone at all? :pac:

Championship is always silly season in here

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newhouse87 wrote: »

Somebody from the Queens county shouldn't be commenting on hurling. Have a nice evening. Hope the leaving cert went good for you.

Do you know why we were called that? We had to be colonised for the trouble we gave the English. And it was a failure. I'll give you a history lesson, or any other you want.

Premier county. Ha ha! Your the garsun here 87. I'd school you.

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newhouse87 wrote: »

Hes from Kilkenny, what do you expect. At least tipp aren't relying on a 33 year old to still win them games,

No, just REFEREEES!!

Billy Ocean

Ennis Road end has been kind to Tipp in the last few years, location for the ghost aussie gleeson own goal too.

awaywithyou

Fred Astaire wrote: »

First yellow for Barrett was very soft.
Penalty at the end both of them in it.

Second yellow for Barrett would have been harsh


The penalty claim Clare had was definitely a penalty... Heffernan made no attempt to win ball... he had his arms wrapped around Clare forward who was attempting to win the ball....

There wouldn’t be half the furore about that call for a clare penalty if he had not given Tipp the most stupidest penalty decision ever awarded

Anyways John Kiely and Limerick will be delighted... as I think they absolutely love playing Tipp...

Pogue eile

External Association wrote: »

Do you know why we were called that? We had to be colonised for the trouble we gave the English. And it was a failure. I'll give you a history lesson, or any other you want.

Premier county. Ha ha! Your the garsun here 87. I'd school you.

And seeing that you are a historain, do you know where the name 'Premier county' came from???

breezy1985

External Association wrote: »

Daly, Tyrrell, Anna Geary saying it should be a Clare penalty on RTE so you seem to be in the minority.

I love the grief that the RTE panel get. "He's useless, she's useless, they are all useless" until it suits

awaywithyou

newhouse87 wrote: »

Hes from Kilkenny, what do you expect. At least tipp aren't relying on a 33 year old to still win them games,

Seamus Callanan ??

newhouse87

External Association wrote: »

Do you know why we were called that? We had to be colonised for the trouble we gave the English. And it was a failure. I'll give you a history lesson, or any other you want.

Premier county. Ha ha! Your the garsun here 87. I'd school you.

Garsún, you mean. You forgot the fada ha. You probably know your cockney slang though.

newhouse87

awaywithyou wrote: »

Seamus Callanan ??

Have a look at % scored of teams totals, Reid versus Callanan and come back to me.