Delivery drivers parking illegally

Thelonious Monk

breezy1985 wrote: »

It depends on how far back before cycle lanes he is talking about. For a while there they cycled along happily until cars came along and decided that roads were only for them

Yes, if you look at footage of Dublin city centre from the 50s and 60s, the streets are full of normal people of both sexes on bikes. It wasn't until cars made the streets dangerous for cyclists and more people started buying cars that they started the disappear. But you didn't need cycle lanes back in the day.

07Lapierre

ELM327 wrote: »

Same as they do now. Not use them.

According to the OP, he was using the cycle lane, but had to move out of it because there was bloody van parked in it?

Cycle lanes are ****e in this country. Lots of reasons why they are not used.

alias no.9

kenmc wrote: »

I did. And alias no 9, unprompted, mentioned the legality of parking on double yellows. For some unknown reason.

The title of the thread

Delivery drivers parking Illegally

The opening paragraph raises the issue of what one can only assume is the practice of parking in places other than loading bays / parking spaces, hence the 'hazard lights'

iffandonlyif wrote: »

With the growth of internet shopping, you see a lot more couriers about the place. And many seem to subscribe to the 'hazard lights' school of parking.

The second mentioned a single specific incident with a bike lane

iffandonlyif wrote: »

I confronted a fellow recently who had driven into a segregated cycle lane and left his van there. His response was, 'But I'm delivering a package...'

While the third urged action, or something

"iffandonlyif wrote: »

I really feel something needs to be done about - perhaps making the receiver responsible for where the delivery driver parks, or allowing the guards issue fines based on photographs submitted by the public.

I introduced the legality of delivery drivers stopping on double yellow lines because, as clearly demonstrated on this thread, many people don't realise that this is not necessarily illegal. Very much within the context of the title and first paragraph of the OP and certainly more so than all of the replies before my first contribution on the thread that you say you have read.

alias no.9

the beer revolu wrote: »

I answered you.
No

You answered what,? I certainly didn't ask you anything.

Ultrflat

iffandonlyif wrote: »

With the growth of internet shopping, you see a lot more couriers about the place. And many seem to subscribe to the 'hazard lights' school of parking.


I confronted a fellow recently who had driven into a segregated cycle lane and left his van there. His response was, 'But I'm delivering a package...'

I really feel something needs to be done about - perhaps making the receiver responsible for where the delivery driver parks, or allowing the guards issue fines based on photographs submitted by the public.

Yeah you try find a parking bay for a LWB Merc Sprinter in Dublin city center! Loading and unloading is important its a cog in how many business's operate. But no you want to take that away. Get over your self :rolleyes:

blade1

the beer revolu wrote: »

I know I was wrong.
However, I answered the question (incorrectly) but was asked the same question again.
My (incorrect) answer was obviously going to be the same.

My answer wasn't queried, it was just asked again as if I hadn't answered it.

Ok, what made you think you were right?

Wanderer78

iffandonlyif wrote:

With the growth of internet shopping, you see a lot more couriers about the place. And many seem to subscribe to the 'hazard lights' school of parking.

Awful sh1te job, went delivering with a driver few months ago, nearly every rule of the road needed to be broken, in order to get the job done, sh1te pay, and none existing conditions

storker

Grayson wrote: »

You can load or unload on double yellow lines for a maximum of 30 minutes so long as you aren't blocking the flow of traffic or endangers other road users.

That's about 29 minutes and 57 seconds longer than a DPD driver needs...

Sleeper12

the beer revolu wrote:

No. You are probably thinking of loading bays.

He is in fact allowed to park on double yellow lines while loading and unloading.

Sleeper12

Graces7 wrote:

What do An Post do?

Park in the cycle lane the same as all delivery drivers.

Just to put things in context. Deliveries are essential & have been right through the pandemic. They were before the pandemic and the will be after it. Gardai will always ignore delivery drivers stopped in a cycle lane or on a footpath whilst preforming an essential services.

Orwellmerchant

The "but ill only be a minute" excuse is usually given.

They also think hazard lights make them invisible.

blade1

Orwellmerchant wrote: »

The "but ill only be a minute" excuse is usually given.

They also think hazard lights make them invisible.

Personally I think they are using their hazards correctly.
To warn other users they are temporarily obstructing traffic.
Whether they are legally parked is another thing though.

Dick Turnip

Potential-Monke wrote: »

What did cyclists do before cycle lanes?

Who used roads & streets before cars? :pac:

Sleeper12

Dick Turnip wrote:

Who used roads & streets before cars?

Horses

storker

storker wrote: »

That's about 29 minutes and 57 seconds longer than a DPD driver needs...

Well done sir

07Lapierre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/116947605#Comment_116947605

According to the OP..he was using the cycle lane, but it was blocked by a delivery van. The van driver should have simply stopped on the road, put the hazard light on and gone about his business. So what if cars have to wait? Sure how long does it take to drop off a parcel?

Mister Vain

What else can you do if there's no available parking? I recently saw a driver getting fined while he was delivering vaccines. They got into a big argument on the street.

magicbastarder

where was this?

GreeBo

The postal van near me parks up on the footpath every evening to collect from the post office, he parks in front of a creche leaving barely enough room to pass him on the path.

He is also an utter clown who had a go at someone who asked him not to block the path. (The postie beeped at the man to move his buggy so he could park on the path (and then sit in the back reading his phone while the post office did their bit))

Potential-Monke

There's a mad theory floating around. I believe it was even there before cycle lanes, so it must hold some regard. I heard that, if your lane is blocked, be it in a car or on a bike, get this, you can apparently........... go around it! Madness!

Darc19

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117671242#Comment_117671242

There's another mad theory - Cycle lanes with dashed markings! Means that whilst it is primarily for cyclists, it can also be used by other vehicles.

Potential-Monke

John_Rambo

I never really mind delivery drivers blocking cycle lanes (as a cyclist). It's a very temporary situation with a fairly pressured job, particularly with the massive increase in deliveries over the pandemic. A quick look over the shoulder, eye contact with the driver behind you, an obvious hand signal, manoeuvre, back in to the cycle lane. Job done. Most drivers see exactly what's going on and react appropriately.

The big problem is the odd driver that decides to be a c* and not let you filter out or "teach you a lesson" for leaving the cycle lane and drive as close to you as they possibly can to scare the crap out of you only to be stopped at the next traffic light and stare indignity at you for causing then a five second delay to get to the red light.

touts

One local delivery driver has been in my estate a few times in the last month or so. He actually doesn't park legally or otherwise. He has what looks to be his secondary school age daughter with him. He basically pulls up outside a house for a second. She hops out runs to the door and drops the parcel (no ring or knock). While she is doing that he flys up to the end of the cul de sac. Does a u turn like it's a hairpin bend on a race track and meets her at the gate where she jumps in and they tear away.

You would think he was dropping off new face masks to the firefighters at Chernobyl the way he drives.

neenam

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/116946594#Comment_116946594

Statistically speaking, drivers break far more road rules than cyclists. A Danish study study shows that less than 5% of cyclists break traffic laws while riding yet 66% of motorists do so when driving. A Transport for London study investigated the “hypothesis that the majority of cyclists ride through red lights” and discovered that 84% of cyclists stopped on roads. The study concluded that the “majority of cyclists obey red traffic lights” and that “violation is not endemic.” Another study found that cyclists who also drive, are better motorists than those who only drive.

An article from the Journal last year -

"Ireland had the highest rate of increase in cyclist deaths in the EU over 10 years. Between 2010 & 2018, cyclist deaths across the EU on average by 0.4% annually. In Ireland, this figure was an 8% increase.......The increase in cyclist deaths in Ireland compares to a 5% annual decrease in the deaths of motor vehicle drivers and passengers on Irish roads over the same period."

So who's the more hazardous, rule-breaking group of road users - cyclists or motorists?

neenam

People are forgetting that wheelchair users use cycle lanes as well as cyclists,. So when they're blocked, you're leaving them no choice but to take their chances to overtake into a lane of potentially busy motor traffic. As if their day to day lives weren't challenging enough for them to navigate subpar infrastructure. God forbid motorists have been pandered to ever since motor vehicles were first introduced in this country, the least they could do is to accommodate vulnerable road users.

Strumms

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117673491#Comment_117673491

The union of ‘professional’ drivers since time immemorial don’t believe that they need to consider most of the Road Traffic Act or indeed the safety of regular road users be they fellow motorists, cyclists or pedestrians...

stoneill

It is the growth of moanie oul sh1tes giving out about a bloke just doing his job is also on the rise.

MrMusician18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/116955677#Comment_116955677

They're called park anywhere lights.

For one off deliveries, I don't mind really but some places and drivers have absolutely no regard for anyone else. I'm thinking of Merrion Row where keg deliveries, shop deliveries restaurant deliveries, would, without fail, block that route every morning. When deliveries are regular, the onus should be on the businesses served to have a traffic management plan and if that means they have to haul their kegs from the parking spot around the corner so be it.

mrslancaster

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117674402#Comment_117674402

Or maybe have a system where business deliveries could happen in the evening or at least outside heavy traffic periods irrespective of whether the traffic is cars or cyclists. Same for bin collections - those bin trucks block up the narrow roads in our area regularly and nobody can pass them. It's an essential service and people want their bins collected as soon as possible but it's a nuisance all the same.

I wonder would the delivery drivers / bin crews prefer to work different hours if they had less busy roads to contend with? Im sure our road traffic systems are not easy for them either.

mikhail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117673365#Comment_117673365

The problem isn't cyclists or drivers, it's assholes, and they're fecking endemic.

Melanchthon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117671340#Comment_117671340

I disagree completely about that, it's nearly better having no cycle lane than one that forces you out into traffic all the time.

Those drivers that annoy you are much worse behaved if your pulling out more suddenly because you tried to stay in the cycle lane the entire time, and get livid and pass aggressively close if your not in the cycle lane for a period of time (which you need to be because because somebodies parked in it)

Collie D

OP’- your problem here is admitting to being a cyclist.

Always guarantees disagreement regardless of the topic.