Considering giving up main job for side hustle.

Wallet Inspector

YellowLead wrote: »

At least this should stop the silly few people who were saying it could all be very ‘innocent’ photos etc and we were silly for assuming it was remotely connected to anything sexual

Doubt it. Spectacular levels of denial so far.

Sleeper12

Wallet Inspector wrote:

Dishonesty and misrepresentation again I see. Sleeper in particular is amazing for it. Unashamedly so.

If you actually read the thread then you will see that I said over & over that I don't know if op is telling the truth or not. I am very certain that several posters aren't truthful about PMs and links as they don't seem to have been reported to any mods if they exist.

Others have used the term porn. Some claim op "implied" she provides explicit material. They are happy to claim that op is sending out links and PMs with absolutely no proof.

I haven't made anything up. I haven't tried to distort comments by op & I haven't repeated false claims by other posters. How I have been dishonest is beyond me.

Here is my stance on it: I have a daughter around the same age as op. I'd rather she never worked as a model of any kind but I'm very glad that she can if she ever needs to.

floorpie

Health11 wrote: »

You say the industry is 'open to all' but you can say the same about starting your own business. Theres a difference between a successful business and one that makes no money. Plenty of men/other girls have told me they would love to make money off OF but don't think anyone would pay for their content. Indeed you and your mates have quoted statistics saying that 90% of OF users don't make money.

Do you think you could make any money off OF if you tried 100%? ( and yes I know its beneath your level of moral superiority, before you make that point)

Your true attitude to women and sex work comes out every few posts.

Granted there's a big difference in the talent/effort required to earn 1000e a month and 10k a month, but sex work isn't like other industries so yeah, anybody could make money in sex work. 10k? Probably not. 3k? Yeah sure. 3k on OF, probably not.

I disagree with it on moral grounds (which I'm discussing with other posters) but any advice I've given directly to you is monetary only, i.e. how to make the most money over your lifetime. Earning 300k+high risk+high investment isn't as impressive or compelling to me as 120k+low risk+low investment, and all my posts encourage you to continue with the latter, no attitude.

Health11

floorpie wrote: »

Granted there's a big difference in the talent/effort required to earn 1000e a month and 10k a month, but sex work isn't like other industries so yeah, anybody could make money in sex work. 10k? Probably not. 3k? Yeah sure. 3k on OF, probably not.

I disagree with it on moral grounds (which I'm discussing with other posters) but any advice I've given directly to you is monetary only, i.e. how to make the most money over your lifetime. Earning 300k+high risk+high investment isn't as impressive or compelling to me as 120k+low risk+low investment, and all my posts encourage you to continue with the latter, no attitude.

You're deluded if you think everyone can just earn 3k a month on OF.

Wallet Inspector

Wallet Inspector wrote: »

Doubt it. Spectacular levels of denial so far.

Who didn’t know it was sex work?

floorpie

Health11 wrote: »

You're deluded if you think everyone can just earn 3k a month on OF.

I said "probably not" to 3k OF, I said 3k in sex work. I understand the economics of OF in Ireland.

I don’t know what the exact financial model on OF. I have worked on subscription software before. If you can charge per month a small monthly subscription and a relatively small number of users can make money.

€12k a month could be 2,000 people paying €6. Or 4,000 people paying €3. I’m not sure why any of this seems impossible.

floorpie

floorpie wrote: »

I said "probably not" to 3k OF, I said 3k in sex work. I understand the economics of OF in Ireland.

Jesus there’s a lot of OF experts on this thread.

Health11

floorpie wrote: »

I said "probably not" to 3k OF, I said 3k in sex work. I understand the economics of OF in Ireland.

You are deluded if you think just anyone can make 3k a month legally in any industry.

If you are talking about breaking the law, that's totally irrelevant. You could just as easily say I could rob people to the tune of 3k a month.

Health11

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Jesus there’s a lot of OF experts on this thread.

So so strange. Why are they so bothered?

Signore Fancy Pants

Health11 wrote: »

You are deluded if you think just anyone can make 3k a month legally in any industry.

LOL

YellowLead

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I don’t know what the exact financial model on OF. I have worked on subscription software before. If you can charge per month a small monthly subscription and a relatively small number of users can make money.

€12k a month could be 2,000 people paying €6. Or 4,000 people paying €3. I’m not sure why any of this seems impossible.

Because they are not paying to see nothing - why would they, they’d move their subscription elsewhere. If OP is spending only one hour per day how does she plan and shoot content, and respond to all the messages, never mind the social media promotion to drum up new subscribers.
Now to be fair she could be doing something really filthy which I won’t name here, that other girls aren’t prepared to do so easily. But even that would get old after a while without the time being put into fresh content.

Health11

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

LOL

Sorry my point was was meant to be legally within the sex industry.

floorpie

Health11 wrote: »

You are deluded if you think just anyone can make 3k a month legally in any industry.

Obviously people's personal motivation is important, but if we're talking about highly motivated people then I'm confused as to what you're talking about. Anyone can earn an extra 3k a month legally if they're motivated.

If you are talking about breaking the law, that's totally irrelevant. You could just as easily say I could rob people to the tune of 3k a month.

You were the one using the term "sex work" so I presumed we were talking about sex work at large, and not just OF. It isn't illegal to be a stripper or even an escort in Ireland.

fvp4 wrote: »

Jesus there’s a lot of OF experts on this thread.

I'm quite happy with the quick analysis I did for this post: https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=116964895&postcount=152

Pearson correlation > 0.8 for the model of #likes -> #subs. So I believe if people are earning much more money than shown here then it's from requests or other extras.

Jequ0n

Health11 wrote: »

You are deluded if you think just anyone can make 3k a month legally in any industry.

If you are talking about breaking the law, that's totally irrelevant. You could just as easily say I could rob people to the tune of 3k a month.

3k isn’t even a high monthly salary, what are you on about? Of course you can earn this easily.

bucketybuck

Jequ0n wrote: »

3k isn’t even a high monthly salary, what are you on about? Of course you can earn this easily.

Note that you are responding to the OP who claimed she was making 12k a month for an hours work a day. Think about it.

Health11

Jequ0n wrote: »

3k isn’t even a high monthly salary, what are you on about? Of course you can earn this easily.

See my correction above. I meant 3k legally within the sex industry.

YellowLead

YellowLead wrote: »

Because they are not paying to see nothing - why would they, they’d move their subscription elsewhere. If OP is spending only one hour per day how does she plan and shoot content, and respond to all the messages, never mind the social media promotion to drum up new subscribers.
Now to be fair she could be doing something really filthy which I won’t name here, that other girls aren’t prepared to do so easily. But even that would get old after a while without the time being put into fresh content.

Maybe the one hour content is good enough? Are they really expected to be online 24/h a day?

Wallet Inspector

fvp4 wrote: »

Who didn’t know it was sex work?

Sleeper kept saying there's nothing to indicate it's unclothed.

Health11

floorpie wrote: »

Obviously people's personal motivation is important, but if we're talking about highly motivated people then I'm confused as to what you're talking about. Anyone can earn an extra 3k a month legally if they're motivated.


You were the one using the term "sex work" so I presumed we were talking about sex work at large, and not just OF. It isn't illegal to be a stripper or even an escort in Ireland.



I'm quite happy with the quick analysis I did for this post: https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=116964895&postcount=152

Pearson correlation > 0.8 for the model of #likes -> #subs. So I believe if people are earning much more money than shown here then it's from requests or other extras.

See my correction, I mean legally within the sex industry.

Okay take your example of stripping. Are you saying anyone can do it? In that case anyone can make 3k a month modelling?

floorpie

Health11 wrote: »

See my correction above. I meant 3k legally within the sex industry.

Lap dancers in Ireland earn 100-1000 a night. If you were Irish you'd make bank.

BettyS

Health11 wrote: »

You're deluded if you think everyone can just earn 3k a month on OF.

I would be paid 3k if I promised not to post any more photos

Sleeper12

Wallet Inspector wrote:

No Sleeper stated that those of us who are sceptical are making the wild claims... which are not wild.

That's not true at all. I never said that. I said that op never said exactly how far she goes. I started that I had no idea if she was fully dressed, undies or nude. She never actually said yet "porn" was being thrown about. I also said that it was wrong to repeat unproven and unlikely claims that op was sending pms to people & sending links.

I have said several times that I don't know if it's a genuine thread or not. I just don't get involved in posting stuff I don't know to be fact

Wallet Inspector

fvp4 wrote: »

Maybe the one hour content is good enough? Are they really expected to be online 24/h a day?

Who said anything about 24 hours a day? Four to five hours online a month making 12 grand? You can see why there are sceptics surely.

The stuff about disapproval is just being made up, but it's a handy generic fallback.

floorpie

Health11 wrote: »

See my correction above. I meant 3k legally within the sex industry.

Lap dancers in Ireland earn 100-1000 a night. If you were Irish you'd make bank.

Health11 wrote: »

Okay take your example of stripping. Are you saying anyone can do it? In that case anyone can make 3k a month modelling?

No not modelling. As I said, demand in the sex industry imo is different from any other industry.

None of what I'm saying is to diminish the effort it takes to do what you do. I don't think just anybody can earn as much on OF, and no doubt you deserve it whether by talent or effort. This all stemmed from you saying everybody is jealous. I maintain that no well-adjusted person is jealous of the earnings of a porn star, or of a sex worker's earnings.

Health11

floorpie wrote: »

Lap dancers in Ireland earn 100-1000 a night. If you were Irish you'd make bank.

Where are you getting your figures from?

In addition, are you suggesting theres no barrier to entry? You've just listed a massive range of potential earnings. How come some people earn more?

Where does mainstream modelling and lap dancing differentiate in terms of barriers to entry?

Health11

floorpie wrote: »

Lap dancers in Ireland earn 100-1000 a night. If you were Irish you'd make bank.



No not modelling. As I said, demand in the sex industry imo is different from any other industry.

None of what I'm saying is to diminish the effort it takes to do what you do. I don't think just anybody can earn as much on OF, and no doubt you deserve it whether by talent or effort. This all stemmed from you saying everybody is jealous. I maintain that no well-adjusted person is jealous of the earnings of a porn star, or of a sex worker's earnings.

I didnt say everybody is jealous? Your idea of a 'well adjusted person' may differ totally from everyone elses.

Would your idea of a well adjusted person be replying incessantly to an internet thread that they believe is a hoax?

Sleeper12

Wallet Inspector wrote:

Sleeper kept saying there's nothing to indicate it's unclothed.

What I said, several times, is I don't know if op is fully clothed, in lingerie (undies) or nude. I never once said it was or wasn't sexual in nature.

You have a very dishonest way of interpreting people's comments. It would be more helpful if you posted my actual comments instead of your la, la land interpretation of what I have said.

screamer

OP I don’t know anything about OF really but what I will say is, make hay whilst the sun shines. But, I would also advise you won’t be young and beautiful forever, and as you get older and maybe want to settle down, partners may not be happy with you being on OF. It’s a money earner that may not always suit your life is all I’m saying, so I’d caution against throwing away the nursing altogether. See what works for you, could you even do job sharing to keep nursing but at a lesser level so that you can spend more time on the OF venture. Best of luck with it all, 3k a month as a sideline is very nice indeed, enjoy it.

floorpie

Health11 wrote: »

Where are you getting your figures from?

In addition, are you suggesting theres no barrier to entry? You've just listed a massive range of potential earnings. How come some people earn more?

Where does mainstream modelling and lap dancing differentiate in terms of barriers to entry?

In mainstream modelling you're hired by someone in order to, e.g., help sell their products to many many people. As such they have high requirements for models' attractiveness, skill and so on. Many people want to be models and because of this pay is poor.

Lap dancing/sex work you're paid by one person for sexual activity. There is no barrier to entry in terms of attractiveness, skill etc because demand is far higher than supply, because few people are willing to be sex workers. Pay is therefore high.

Health11 wrote: »

Would your idea of a well adjusted person be replying incessantly to an internet thread that they believe is a hoax?

I don't believe it's a hoax...? I'm just interested in making money online, hence why I analysed the industry. I hope that you can make the most money possible too, and my advice again in this respect is to keep spending 1 hour a day doing OF, and keep your job.

Health11

floorpie wrote: »

In mainstream modelling you're hired by someone in order to, e.g., help sell their products to many many people. As such they have high requirements for models' attractiveness, skill and so on.

Lap dancing/sex work you're paid by one person for sexual activity. There is no barrier to entry in terms of attractiveness, skill etc because demand is far higher than supply, because few people are willing to be sex workers.



I don't believe it's a hoax...? I'm just interested in making money online, hence why I analysed the industry. I hope that you can make the most money possible too, and my advice again in this respect is to keep spending 1 hour a day doing OF, and keep your job.

You haven't a clue. 'Payed by one person' - you do realise strippers will be employed by clubs? Do you think the clubs want to hire the best possible staff in order to compete against other clubs? God this is mind numbing.

floorpie

Health11 wrote: »

You haven't a clue. 'Payed by one person' - you do realise strippers will be employed by clubs? Do you think the clubs want to hire the best possible staff in order to compete against other clubs? God this is mind numbing.

Most money is earned through tips, what's your point? That only a select few amazing people can earn money in the sex industry at large? This simply isn't true. I already agreed that few can earn 10k on OF. But yes this is irrelevant, I've given my advice umpteen times now to you, so I'm going to talk to other posters again. Stop counting my posts please.

Health11

floorpie wrote: »

Most money is earned through tips, what's your point? That only a select few amazing people can succeed in the sex industry at large? This simply isn't true. And yes this is irrelevant, I've given my advice umpteen times now to you, so I'm going to talk to other posters again. Stop counting my posts please.

Your only way to argue is to use hyperbole and out words in my mouth. Just because I said there are barriers of entry doesnt mean I am saying only a select few amazing people can work as strippers. If you can't understand that, then I don't know what to say.

floorpie

Health11 wrote: »

Your only way to argue is to use hyperbole and out words in my mouth. Just because I said there are barriers of entry doesnt mean I am saying only a select few amazing people can work as strippers. If you can't understand that, then I don't know what to say.

Then I don't understand your point.

You said few people can earn 3k on OF. I agree.

You said few people can earn 3k in the sex industry legally (outside of OF presumably). I disagree. The end.

AndrewJRenko

Wallet Inspector wrote: »

Their policy on staff's use of social media.

The only policy quoted here says "Downloading/disseminating pornographic material from the internet"

This is clearly in the context of using work computers and networks.

If they're going to fire for work done on her own time and her own tech resources, then they're going to have to fire every HSE staffer who has ever downloaded a bit of porn at home as well.

Wallet Inspector

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

If they're going to fire for work done on her own time and her own tech resources, then they're going to have to fire every HSE staffer who has ever downloaded a bit of porn at home as well.

I didn't say anything about downloading "a bit of" porn at home.

Use of social media - different thing (why should it have been mentioned here?) Standard for a company to have a policy regarding how its staff uses social media.

You really are hell bent on wanting that not to be the case.

floorpie

Wallet Inspector wrote: »

I didn't say anything about downloading "a bit of" porn at home.

Use of social media - different thing (why should it have been mentioned here?) Standard for a company to have a policy regarding how its staff uses social media.

You really are hell bent on wanting that not to be the case.

Two policies were mentioned, one for HSE staff that said you can't download/disseminate porn, and the code of conduct for the Nurse's Board that says nurses must be professional on social media.

AndrewJRenko

Wallet Inspector wrote: »

I didn't say anything about downloading "a bit of" porn at home.

Use of social media - different thing (why should it have been mentioned here?) Standard for a company to have a policy regarding how its staff uses social media.

You really are hell bent on wanting that not to be the case.

Have you found any such HSE policy?

She may not be a direct HSE employee. Lots of nurses are employed by their own hospital, or it could be a private hospital or a nursing home or disability care provider.

gary550

OP curious about your tax setup?

Are you vat registered and what way do you currently run your business? i.e are you self employed or registered as a limited company and running through that?

knowing a little about how you run your business might give someone a better idea on advising you on your original question.

gary550

Creamy Goodness wrote: »

No it doesn’t. They said they’re tax compliant that’s all that revenue requires of them and to ask otherwise is pure deflection from the original ask.

Yes it absolutely does

To give an example as a self employed person: OP suggests they currently take 12k a month gross, let's say the applicable vat rate is the reduced 13.5% so once that's deducted from the gross pay you're left with something like 120k in taxable income from OF, add her current salary from nursing into that your are looking at probably like sub 7k per month in income and probably a 70k per year income tax bill

If registered as a limited company the same applies above as regards vat but the op has a lot more options as regards future income planning i.e she doesn't have to take all that as yearly income and can spread it out over a few years by taking a lesser monthly salary from her company in place (or in supplement) of her current nursing salary making her current gravy train last a lot longer.

Health11

gary550 wrote: »

Yes it absolutely does

To give an example as a self employed person: OP suggests they currently take 12k a month gross, let's say the applicable vat rate is the reduced 13.5% so once that's deducted from the gross pay you're left with something like 120k in taxable income from OF, add her current salary from nursing into that your are looking at probably like sub 7k per month in income and probably a 70k per year income tax bill

If registered as a limited company the same applies above as regards vat but the op has a lot more options as regards future income planning i.e she doesn't have to take all that as yearly income and can spread it out over a few years by taking a lesser monthly salary from her company in place (or in supplement) of her current nursing salary making her current gravy train last a lot longer.

Interesting, you know your stuff! Can I PM you with some questions?

Sleeper12

Health11 wrote:

Interesting, you know your stuff! Can I PM you with some questions?

Jasus they'll be after you with pitch forks now saying that you are trying to intice this poster to OF.

The Op just needs to complain about road tax to get more hits.

Wallet Inspector

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Have you found any such HSE policy?

She may not be a direct HSE employee. Lots of nurses are employed by their own hospital, or it could be a private hospital or a nursing home or disability care provider.

She said she is employed by the HSE and has a pension.

YellowLead

Anybody considering onlyfans as a means of income needs to really give it careful consideration beyond the immediate future.
I doubt the HSE do it, and in this example OP is already employed so irrelevant to current position, but lots of employers do background checks.
I had one done before I started in my current role - in addition to employment history criminal background etc I also had to consent to public domain information.
An employer could say that the sale of sexually explicit photos etc contradicts with their ethos or values and decide not to go ahead with the contract of employment.
Somebody in OPs situation may want to move to private nursing in future and end up somewhere where a background check happens. It would be very easy for that future employer to say that OF conflicts with their organisational values.

GypsyByName

Anyone get an email from OP yet?

gary550

Health11 wrote: »

Interesting, you know your stuff! Can I PM you with some questions?

I'm not an accountant or tax advisor so I can't give you professional advice or anything like that. Any knowledge I have comes from being involved in business.

On your original question about whether to step away from nursing and pursue OF full time I'd probably be suggesting it is entirely possible to do if you go into it with your eyes wide open and with a reasonable plan for continued growth.

Without beating around the bush this will probably all run out someday but that doesn't mean you can't make the most of it now.

AndrewJRenko

Wallet Inspector wrote: »

She said she is employed by the HSE and has a pension.

So the HSE policy is fairly vague

https://www.hse.ie/eng/about/who/communications/digital/social-media/social-media-and-digital-policy/social-media-staff-use-guidelines.pdf

It has some "should" guidance, not "must", including

Act professionally at all times.
 Be quick to correct your own mistakes and admit when you are wrong.
 Do not use ethnic or religious slurs, insults or obscenities.
 Do not engage in conduct that would be viewed as unacceptable online.

Viewed by who, would be an obvious question - very subjective.

It notes that "Personal profiles are in fact, personal".

Hard to see that the employer would be on solid ground in firing someone for producing porn.

Worst case scenario would probably be the employer telling them to stop.

YellowLead

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

So the HSE policy is fairly vague

https://www.hse.ie/eng/about/who/communications/digital/social-media/social-media-and-digital-policy/social-media-staff-use-guidelines.pdf

It has some "should" guidance, not "must", including

Act professionally at all times.
 Be quick to correct your own mistakes and admit when you are wrong.
 Do not use ethnic or religious slurs, insults or obscenities.
 Do not engage in conduct that would be viewed as unacceptable online.

Viewed by who, would be an obvious question - very subjective.

It notes that "Personal profiles are in fact, personal".

Hard to see that the employer would be on solid ground in firing someone for producing porn.

Worst case scenario would probably be the employer telling them to stop.

Id be more worried about a future employer not hiring them in the first place after conducting a background check which includes social media.
They could easily say selling porn doesn’t fit with their ethos/value etc. Or just pretend another candidate was a better fit and not even excuse it.

Health11

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Jasus they'll be after you with pitch forks now saying that you are trying to intice this poster to OF.

Yeah exactly! 😂