Do people make money off their pets through its offspring?

Did you smash it

Suppose you own a prestigious breed of dog as a pet. Do folks ever use the pet to benefit them financially? Like if it’s a female, have it “covered” by the male of the prestigious breed and sell the puppies?

I’ve seen ads advertising making dogs available for stud but that would be from professional dog breeders rather than just one person with a pet. Do pet owners also hire out their male dogs in prestigious breeds for stud?

Is it possible to make money off this with one dog or is the medical costs, the risk of the dog being damaged physically and psychologically from being a puppy machine (if it’s female) too great. Or does it just not work out financially because the overheads are too great with one dog.

I don’t own a dog, it’s just a question that occurred to me and am interested in the answer.

SillyMangoX

Unfortunately, they do. This is why Ireland is known as the puppy farm capital of Europe. Dogs, pure bred, badly bred, and cross breeds, locked in sheds for the majority of their lives churning out litter after litter all for profit.
If you’re doing it right, ethically, making sure your dogs are in the top shape, brought them to shows to prove them, done all relevant health testing etc, then there is very little money to be made - if you even break even. These people do it for the love of the dog and the improvement and continuation of their chosen breed/s. But unfortunately these are few and far between when you consider the amount of breeding dogs in the country.

Did you smash it

Did you smash it wrote: »

...the risk of the dog being damaged physically and psychologically from being a puppy machine (if it’s female) too great ...

:eek:

You include that when discussing a pet ...?

You're not going to make money, full stop. Get a mutt (but not from a puppy farm) and enjoy the dog experience for longer and cheaper.

Pedigree dogs (or cats or rats or bunnies or anything, really) have a host of in-bred issues whether physical, genetic or mental so unless you know what you're doing forget the idea of making money from your pet. Send the kids down the coal mine instead - it's just as ethical (IMO).

BorneTobyWilde

Pretty normal for a dog to have puppies. Not on going though, geez.

Did you smash it

What’s the normal healthy rate for a dog to have puppies. If the dog never gets to keep its puppies does it hurt the dog psychologically?

Cherry Blossom

Did you smash it wrote: »

Suppose you own a prestigious breed of dog as a pet. Do folks ever use the pet to benefit them financially? Like if it’s a female, have it “covered” by the male of the prestigious breed and sell the puppies?

I’ve never heard of any breed of dog described as prestigious before. It’s not a word that is associated with dog breeds. A better word might be ‘desirable’. One example of desirable dogs would be SWFs (small, white, fluffies). This includes breeds like Westies, Bichon Frise, toy and miniature poodles which are not always white and designer crossbreeds. People who breed from their pet for financial gain are known as backyard breeders or as some call them on this forum ‘greeders’. These people generally have very limited knowledge on breeding dogs. If they educated themselves on the matter, they would be less likely to do it. Basically they either don’t know or don’t care what is involved in ethically and responsibly producing quality dogs. They usually don’t know what genetically inherited health conditions their breed/s are prone to or what tests should be done to ensure a dog doesn’t pass on any health issues to its offspring. They usually don’t know about the ins and outs of puppy development and importance of socialising pups from birth to everyday sights and sounds, to people of all ages and other dogs. They often send pups to new homes when they are too young to leave mum. Mum teaches them how to be a dog, respect and bite inhibition over a period which extends beyond the time by which they are weaned. They generally don’t know how to choose a stud dog and will use any dog or the first one that comes along, or one they happen to also own to cover their bitch.

Did you smash it wrote: »

I’ve seen ads advertising making dogs available for stud but that would be from professional dog breeders rather than just one person with a pet. Do pet owners also hire out their male dogs in prestigious breeds for stud?

Professional dog breeders are what puppy farmers sometimes call themselves. Please don’t confuse the word professional with responsible. Hobby breeders who breed to better the breed often only breed to continue their line, because they want a pup from a particular pairing for themselves. As you can’t control the number of pups born, additional pups will be sold to suitable homes to help cover costs. Reputable breeders often don’t cover the costs of producing the litter from the sale of the pups. Doing it right costs money. You may see the average pet advertised for stud but that doesn’t mean anyone wants to use that dog. Generally the owner of the bitch will approach the owner of a dog they want to use to cover their bitch. They don’t trawl through advert sites, they generally get to know people from shows or breed clubs if they are doing things properly.

Did you smash it wrote: »

Is it possible to make money off this with one dog or is the medical costs, the risk of the dog being damaged physically and psychologically from being a puppy machine (if it’s female) too great. Or does it just not work out financially because the overheads are too great with one dog.

I don’t own a dog, it’s just a question that occurred to me and am interested in the answer.

Plenty of people use their pets as puppy factories. Backyard breeders have low costs because they often don’t bother with veterinary care for breeding. They don’t do any of the necessary tests, scans or aftercare. Puppies are often sold without being vaccinated or microchipped (microchips are now a legal requirement for the sale of pups). Having a litter of pups is tough on a bitch, almost all loose condition from feeding pups, repeatedly putting a bitch in pup is a type of cruelty in my opinion. Breed clubs and the IKC put restrictions on the number of litters a bitch can have in her lifetime and her age when she is bred from. Of course back yard breeders don’t bother with breed clubs (and the clubs would not take them) and they often don’t bother with IKC registration so overbreeding pet quality dogs is common enough.

Hopefully I’ve answered some of your queries.

Did you smash it

Cherry Blossom wrote: »

I’ve never heard of any breed of dog described as prestigious before. It’s not a word that is associated with dog breeds. A better word might be ‘desirable’. One example of desirable dogs would be SWFs (small, white, fluffies). This includes breeds like Westies, Bichon Frise, toy and miniature poodles which are not always white and designer crossbreeds. People who breed from their pet for financial gain are known as backyard breeders or as some call them on this forum ‘greeders’. These people generally have very limited knowledge on breeding dogs. If they educated themselves on the matter, they would be less likely to do it. Basically they either don’t know or don’t care what is involved in ethically and responsibly producing quality dogs. They usually don’t know what genetically inherited health conditions their breed/s are prone to or what tests should be done to ensure a dog doesn’t pass on any health issues to its offspring. They usually don’t know about the ins and outs of puppy development and importance of socialising pups from birth to everyday sights and sounds, to people of all ages and other dogs. They often send pups to new homes when they are too young to leave mum. Mum teaches them how to be a dog, respect and bite inhibition over a period which extends beyond the time by which they are weaned. They generally don’t know how to choose a stud dog and will use any dog or the first one that comes along, or one they happen to also own to cover their bitch.



Professional dog breeders are what puppy farmers sometimes call themselves. Please don’t confuse the word professional with responsible. Hobby breeders who breed to better the breed often only breed to continue their line, because they want a pup from a particular pairing for themselves. As you can’t control the number of pups born, additional pups will be sold to suitable homes to help cover costs. Reputable breeders often don’t cover the costs of producing the litter from the sale of the pups. Doing it right costs money. You may see the average pet advertised for stud but that doesn’t mean anyone wants to use that dog. Generally the owner of the bitch will approach the owner of a dog they want to use to cover their bitch. They don’t trawl through advert sites, they generally get to know people from shows or breed clubs if they are doing things properly.



Plenty of people use their pets as puppy factories. Backyard breeders have low costs because they often don’t bother with veterinary care for breeding. They don’t do any of the necessary tests, scans or aftercare. Puppies are often sold without being vaccinated or microchipped (microchips are now a legal requirement for the sale of pups). Having a litter of pups is tough on a bitch, almost all loose condition from feeding pups, repeatedly putting a bitch in pup is a type of cruelty in my opinion. Breed clubs and the IKC put restrictions on the number of litters a bitch can have in her lifetime and her age when she is bred from. Of course back yard breeders don’t bother with breed clubs (and the clubs would not take them) and they often don’t bother with IKC registration so overbreeding pet quality dogs is common enough.

Hopefully I’ve answered some of your queries.

Brilliant answer. Thank you.

If I was to do it (which is highly hypothetical) it would be just an interesting sideline but not for profit. But it seems like a tough calling to do as a sideline- ensuring the health and hereditary health of your bitch, providing and housing 6 or so pups for 2 or so months before they are ready to sell when I’d be out of the house at times has potential to be a disaster.

It would be a labour of love.

Can think of a couple of "backyard breeders" who over their lives would've sold a few hundred pups without any issue. Certain breeds are quite easy to breed responsibly. If you're looking to make a full-time living out of it then I can't see how it will work out well/fairly for the dogs.

volchitsa

Did you smash it wrote: »

Brilliant answer. Thank you.

If I was to do it (which is highly hypothetical) it would be just an interesting sideline but not for profit. But it seems like a tough calling to do as a sideline- ensuring the health and hereditary health of your bitch, providing and housing 6 or so pups for 2 or so months before they are ready to sell when I’d be out of the house at times has potential to be a disaster.

It would be a labour of love.

My neighbour, who's a vet, bred from his purebreed dog (Australian shepherd) because they wanted to keep one of the pups and sell the others. She needed a caesarian and even then a couple of the pups died. They had four living pups I think. For an ordinary person, if you have those costs to pay, on top of the normal ones like food and vet check ups, I wouldn't imagine you'd make a lot of money out of your litter. The reasons puppy farms can make a profit despite the costs is because they'd have the poor animal breeding again within weeks.

nsnoefc1878

Did you smash it wrote: »

Brilliant answer. Thank you.

If I was to do it (which is highly hypothetical) it would be just an interesting sideline but not for profit. But it seems like a tough calling to do as a sideline- ensuring the health and hereditary health of your bitch, providing and housing 6 or so pups for 2 or so months before they are ready to sell when I’d be out of the house at times has potential to be a disaster.

It would be a labour of love.

To be honest, from simply reading your posts, I wouldnt let you next or near to a dog much less breed one.

SillyMangoX

Did you smash it wrote: »

providing and housing 6 or so pups for 2 or so months before they are ready to sell when I’d be out of the house at times has potential to be a disaster.

Just on this, reputable breeders will have contracts in place and offer life-long care for any animal they have bred. So you have to be prepared that you could end up having the means to provide care for adult dogs that you’ve produced after the fact too.
I know the breeder I got my cat from would take him back in a heartbeat if, god forbid, anything ever happened that I couldn’t keep him. (Which is highly unlikely, the fecker is asleep across my foot right now )

DBB

nsnoefc1878 wrote: »

To be honest, from simply reading your posts, I wouldnt let you next or near to a dog much less breed one.

nsnoefc1878, there is a requirement on this forum that people are respectful towards one another.
You don't have to agree with each other, but you do have to be respectful. Your quoted post is not that.
Please bear this in mind if posting here again.
Do not reply to this post on-thread.
Thanks,
DBB

Did you smash it

nsnoefc1878 wrote: »

To be honest, from simply reading your posts, I wouldnt let you next or near to a dog much less breed one.

Well that’s me told :P

Did you smash it

SillyMangoX wrote: »

Just on this, reputable breeders will have contracts in place and offer life-long care for any animal they have bred. So you have to be prepared that you could end up having the means to provide care for adult dogs that you’ve produced after the fact too.
I know the breeder I got my cat from would take him back in a heartbeat if, god forbid, anything ever happened that I couldn’t keep him. (Which is highly unlikely, the fecker is asleep across my foot right now )

Providing care extends to covering expenditure of vet care to the owner or to take back a cat a breeder would breed back from the purchaser years later? Either way that’s fairly onerous.

NIMAN

I have been shocked recently at the amount of pups for sale in Gumtree in the north.

I have seen prices ranging from £800 to £2500.

I don't think pups should be a banned item on such sites.

Oranage2

My family used to breed our family pets and then sell them. I think we got 3 litters from the bitch, usually 5-7 pups survived. Sold them for 500 irish pounds at the time, so 2500-3500 a year. Definitely not enough to live off but a good nixer.

To make a living you'd probably need to scale it up or use more expensive dogs. I think there's an ethical way to do it as a loving family pet from a 'backyard' breeder.

sebdavis

Oranage2 wrote: »

My family used to breed our family pets and then sell them. I think we got 3 litters from the bitch, usually 5-7 pups survived. Sold them for 500 irish pounds at the time, so 2500-3500 a year. Definitely not enough to live off but a good nixer.

To make a living you'd probably need to scale it up or use more expensive dogs. I think there's an ethical way to do it as a loving family pet from a 'backyard' breeder.

I think you will find a lot of sideline breeder are also sitting on the social so it is a handy cash in hand job! just speaking from personal experience.

They will also have a few mates in the "business" which involves swapping papers, making up false papers etc. Poor families think they are buying a lovely pure breed XYZ and the dog could be a mix of anything. In reality few complain because in reality if you have a nice dog it doesn't make a blind bit of difference if you have a bit of paper stuck in a press somewhere.

Did you smash it

Oranage2 wrote: »

My family used to breed our family pets and then sell them. I think we got 3 litters from the bitch, usually 5-7 pups survived. Sold them for 500 irish pounds at the time, so 2500-3500 a year. Definitely not enough to live off but a good nixer.

To make a living you'd probably need to scale it up or use more expensive dogs. I think there's an ethical way to do it as a loving family pet from a 'backyard' breeder.

High price for years ago. What breed of dog was it?

Oranage2

Did you smash it wrote: »

High price for years ago. What breed of dog was it?

Miniature York shire terrier. Yeah quite a bit back then, dogs were in really good condition.

Cherry Blossom

Oranage2 wrote: »

Miniature York shire terrier. Yeah quite a bit back then, dogs were in really good condition.

If you are going to advocate breeding ‘Miniature’ Yorkshire terriers, I think you should present all the facts. Miniature (or teacup as they are also called) Yorkshire terriers are not a real breed. They are smaller than normal because they are produced by breeding generations of runts together. A runt is by definition is often an unhealthy pup. See the link here for a simple, easy to understand explanation.

https://thehappypuppysite.com/runt-of-the-litter/

Breeding from runts is an abhorrent practice, you talk of ‘surviving pups’. Perhaps breeding from runts is the reason some did not survive.

Oranage2

Cherry Blossom wrote: »

If you are going to advocate breeding ‘Miniature’ Yorkshire terriers, I think you should present all the facts. Miniature or teacup as they are also called Yorkshire terriers are not a real breed. They are smaller than normal because they are produced by breeding generations of runts together. A runt is by definition is often an unhealthy pup. See the link here for a simple, easy to understand explanation.

https://thehappypuppysite.com/runt-of-the-litter/

Breeding from runts is an abhorrent practice, you talk of ‘surviving pups’. Perhaps breeding from runts is the reason some did not survive.

I'm sorry but you've no idea what you're talking about.

Cherry Blossom

Which part is incorrect?

As someone who has bred from my pets, believe me, there was very little profit in it! It certainly didn’t make the stress I was under worth while! I was a nervous wreck. After two litters, I had the bitch spayed.

nsnoefc1878

Did you smash it wrote: »

Well that’s me told :P

Someone needs to tell you.

Did you smash it

nsnoefc1878 wrote: »

Someone needs to tell you.

Sure thing Francis of Assisi

Any of my posts have expressed interest and concern in the physical and mental well being of the dog from giving birth but not being able to keep their puppies. You just read what you wanted to and reacted with grandstanding.

DBB

Okay nsnoefc1878 and Did you smash it, that's enough of the bickering please.
I have already said that posters are required to be respectful towards one another, and both of you are in danger of being carded for ignoring that.
Be nice, be polite. It's not difficult.
Thanks,
DBB

nsnoefc1878

DBB wrote: »

Okay nsnoefc1878 and Did you smash it, that's enough of the bickering please.
I have already said that posters are required to be respectful towards one another, and both of you are in danger of being carded for ignoring that.
Be nice, be polite. It's not difficult.
Thanks,
DBB

Go look at the only other thread this person has contributed to on here, their attitude and the response of others.
Then you can come back and judge me for my reaction.
Which I 100% stand by.

Did you smash it

nsnoefc1878 wrote: »

Go look at the only other thread this person has contributed to on here, their attitude and the response of others.
Then you can come back and judge me for my reaction.
Which I 100% stand by.

I’m happy to explain or learn from any comments I’ve made that you find objectionable but you haven’t clarified what you actually find objectionable. Feel free to and I’ll try my best to explain honestly but please approach this with an open mind. I’d rather that than mods haven’t to police us like children.


Reading the thread below might also honestly be of benefit to your perspective in my opinion

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057405004

Cherry Blossom

nsnoefc1878 wrote: »

Go look at the only other thread this person has contributed to on here, their attitude and the response of others.
Then you can come back and judge me for my reaction.
Which I 100% stand by.

nsnoefc1878, I’ve yellow carded you for a number of reasons. Please do not argue with mod actions on thread as this only serves to further derail the thread. You have also taken it upon yourself to back-seat moderate because a mod did not rule in your favour. Your posts have not been anyway positive on this thread and actually have affected the flow of discussion in a negative manner. Therefore, I am asking you not to post in this thread again. If you do so, your access to this forum will be removed for a period.

Thanks in advance for your cooperation.
CB.

Cherry Blossom

Did you smash it wrote: »

Providing care extends to covering expenditure of vet care to the owner or to take back a cat a breeder would breed back from the purchaser years later? Either way that’s fairly onerous.

I think you have misunderstood here. A breeder would not be expected to cover vet care for dogs that are in new homes but for those that might be returned to you for whatever reason. If a breeder is going to be contributing to the massive overpopulation of cats/dogs in this country it is the responsible thing to do to ensure that any animals that breeder has produced do not end up in pounds or rescues in cases where their new home has not worked out. There is nothing to stop the breeder finding another home for that animal but in certain cases that might not be possible for example if an expensive to treat health issue has emerged or the dog has bitten someone etc. That’s one reason why it’s so important to ensure dogs are medical fit to breed from, are of sound temperament and why potential homes should be carefully vetted. All of this should reduce your chances of being left with a problem dog.

Did you smash it

Cherry Blossom wrote: »

I think you have misunderstood here. A breeder would not be expected to cover vet care for dogs that are in new homes but for those that might be returned to you for whatever reason. If a breeder is going to be contributing to the massive overpopulation of cats/dogs in this country it is the responsible thing to do to ensure that any animals that breeder has produced do not end up in pounds or rescues in cases where their new home has not worked out. There is nothing to stop the breeder finding another home for that animal but in certain cases that might not be possible for example if an expensive to treat health issue has emerged or the dog has bitten someone etc. That’s one reason why it’s so important to ensure dogs are medical fit to breed from, are of sound temperament and why potential homes should be carefully vetted. All of this should reduce your chances of being left with a problem dog.

So with so many dogs being sold during lockdown with people working from home, If the folks who bought these dogs can’t provide for the dogs at the end of lockdown the breeder would be willing to take these back no questions asked? This is a stupid question but just to confirm that the breeder doesn’t have to provide a refund in these cases obviously?

Cherry Blossom

No, you would not normally refund the buyer. The thing is though very few dogs will be returned to responsible breeders due to the end of lockdown because very few responsible breeders have been breeding throughout the pandemic. Shows have been cancelled so breeders have been unable to prove their dogs, travel for breeding purposes is not permitted and it has also not been possible to socialise puppies properly both with the breeder and after they go to new homes so conditions during an international pandemic are far from ideal for producing puppies. Like everything else reputable breeders have not been operating and the hoards of puppies you are seeing are from puppy mills and ‘greeders’ with their vastly inflated prices. At the moment people are selling on dogs they can’t handle because they want their money back and demand is still higher than supply so they can do this. Before much longer though the arse will fall out of the market and rescues and pounds will be flooded with unwanted dogs.

Did you smash it

Cherry Blossom wrote: »

Before much longer though the arse will fall out of the market and rescues and pounds will be flooded with unwanted dogs.

Indeed. It won’t be just Ireland. Dog ownership around the world has exploded I think.

Cherry Blossom

In the recent past, quite a lot of Irish rescue dogs have been exported to rescues in other countries. I’m not sure they will be able to take many as they’ll have their own to deal with.

Quite a few folks who follow this forum are involved in Irish rescues in one way or another and see the fallout from indiscriminate breeding. I think this goes someway to explain why some posters post in an emotional manner. It is not always clear to the onlooker why they have done this but hopefully our conversation has gone someway towards explaining it.

Oranage2

Did you smash it wrote: »

I’m happy to explain or learn from any comments I’ve made that you find objectionable but you haven’t clarified what you actually find objectionable. Feel free to and I’ll try my best to explain honestly but please approach this with an open mind. I’d rather that than mods haven’t to police us like children.


Reading the thread below might also honestly be of benefit to your perspective in my opinion

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057405004

If you've any questions I'd be happy to answer, I've real knowledge of the trade and not just something I've read from a happy puppy website.

Animals are animals, they don't need need really any special attention as nature has shown, there's hardly any vet bills for healthy pups, the buyer should get the vaccinations. Be careful buying from these show dog breeders, usually inbred for certain looks, especially for dogs like German Shepards, theyre so bred for a curved backleg look that they can barely run.

Did you smash it

Basically, to give the background, I might be moving from renting an apartment to owning a house later this year and with that i would Like to own a dog, especially if WFH continues half the week even after COVID which there is a suggestion of in my line of work.

I love any kind of dog, I wouldn’t own staffies personally given their slightly unpredictable nature but I have being thinking I very much like the Rottweiler breed. Once they are socialized with other dogs/animals and people from a young age they are normally great pets.

Once I was figuring out in my head how this would work I immediately thought well I’ll have to neuter the dog and then I thought about it again and I’d really fancy taking care of pups for a few months and then see if they could be sold or even given away to friends who were looking.

But being practical, taking care of puppies seems hard to do in a house that I might not be there for 8 hours at a time 2 or 3 days a week.

So it’s probably not right for me in my life right now but I was still curious about do people have a dog as a beloved pet but still have it either available to stud if male or if it’s a bitch do they sell the puppies and how does this work and how is it done without ruining the bitch mentally and physically from saying goodbye to its pups.

I don’t live in Ireland. I live in the EU. Probably doesn’t make any odds.

Cherry Blossom

The general population of some EU countries are fairly knowledgeable in animal welfare and would have fairly stringent criteria on selecting a family pet. Others would be the opposite. In some countries everything is neutered and Pets are sourced from ethical breeders or rescues, some of which are imported. In some countries a backyard breeder will struggle to offload pups due to how well versed the general population is in animal welfare matters. Others will have no problem finding takers. It depends where you are.

I will say if you are even thinking about it, source a well bred Rottie pup whose parents have been hipscored and have good scores and any other tests for the breed (I’m not sure what these are off hand). Basically buy a pup that is more likely to be suitable for breeding from the off.

I will say there is a high risk of bone cancer for Rotties that are neutered too early so don’t be in a hurry to run out and neuter your dog if you decide you don’t want pups. Also pay attention to the inbreeding coefficient of the pup, it should be as close to 0 as possible. A good website for breed health information is: https://www.dogbreedhealth.com/

Oranage2

Did you smash it wrote: »

Basically, to give the background, I might be moving from renting an apartment to owning a house later this year and with that i would Like to own a dog, especially if WFH continues half the week even after COVID which there is a suggestion of in my line of work.

I love any kind of dog, I wouldn’t own staffies personally given their slightly unpredictable nature but I have being thinking I very much like the Rottweiler breed. Once they are socialized with other dogs/animals and people from a young age they are normally great pets.

Once I was figuring out in my head how this would work I immediately thought well I’ll have to neuter the dog and then I thought about it again and I’d really fancy taking care of pups for a few months and then see if they could be sold or even given away to friends who were looking.

But being practical, taking care of puppies seems hard to do in a house that I might not be there for 8 hours at a time 2 or 3 days a week.

So it’s probably not right for me in my life right now but I was still curious about do people have a dog as a beloved pet but still have it either available to stud if male or if it’s a bitch do they sell the puppies and how does this work and how is it done without ruining the bitch mentally and physically from saying goodbye to its pups.

I don’t live in Ireland. I live in the EU. Probably doesn’t make any odds.

The first litter is the most difficult for both you and the dog, it's definitely tough, you have to keep an eye out that there's no fighting or that the mother doesn't ignore a pup etc that you might have to intervene and hand feed the pup every few hours, but the mother dog will usually do all the work, you just have to clean up after the pups and be vigilant. Also A big dog like a Rottweiler will have difficulties as the mother might be very protective so make sure you've experience with big dogs. And there's also the look of the dog, as you said you're not in Ireland so see if docked tails and cropped ears are popular and legal, you might unfortunately have to do it if you want to make a profit as it's the classic rotty look.

Recommended litter for a bitch is 3 to 4 and you should do it when the dog is young. I've never seen any complications with removing pups, the mother dog gets over it soon enough.

Cherry Blossom

Oranage2 wrote: »

Recommended litter for a bitch is 3 to 4 and you should do it when the dog is young. I've never seen any complications with removing pups, the mother dog gets over it soon enough.

I’m not sure what you mean by ‘recommended litter’ but the average size of a Rottweiler litter is 8 to 12 pups. It is certainly not 3 to 4 if this is what you mean.

Oranage2

Cherry Blossom wrote: »

I’m not sure what you mean by ‘recommended litter’ but the average size of a Rottweiler litter is 8 to 12 pups. It is certainly not 3 to 4 if this is what you mean.

Litters are what's known in the dog world as pregnancies, though it's confusing because litter size is also how many pups the dog had too.

Cherry Blossom

Ah I see now what you meant. You left off the ‘s’ there. That’s why I was confused.

volchitsa

Cherry Blossom wrote: »

Ah I see now what you meant. You left off the ‘s’ there. That’s why I was confused.

I thought the poster meant three or four pups per litter. So it's a maximum of three or four litters in the lifetime of the bitch, is that it?

Cherry Blossom

Yes I think that’s what he means. I made the same assumption as you.

Oranage2

volchitsa wrote: »

I thought the poster meant three or four pups per litter. So it's a maximum of three or four litters in the lifetime of the bitch, is that it?

She could have more, but for quality of the pups and her own health, 3-4 litters is the magic number.

nsnoefc1878

Oranage2 wrote: »

The first litter is the most difficult for both you and the dog, it's definitely tough, you have to keep an eye out that there's no fighting or that the mother doesn't ignore a pup etc that you might have to intervene and hand feed the pup every few hours, but the mother dog will usually do all the work, you just have to clean up after the pups and be vigilant. Also A big dog like a Rottweiler will have difficulties as the mother might be very protective so make sure you've experience with big dogs. And there's also the look of the dog, as you said you're not in Ireland so see if docked tails and cropped ears are popular and legal, you might unfortunately have to do it if you want to make a profit as it's the classic rotty look.

Recommended litter for a bitch is 3 to 4 and you should do it when the dog is young. I've never seen any complications with removing pups, the mother dog gets over it soon enough.

You are encouraging the docking of tails and ear cropping in the name of profit and Im the one getting sanctioned on this forum? This forum is a ****ing joke and the mods would want to take a serious look at themselves.
Pathetic.

DBB

nsnoefc1878,
That's not what the poster said.
But as you can't stop yourself from the snarky posting and determination to cause a row, despite 3 on thread warnings, and PMs between you and mod team which you clearly didn't take any heed of, I have to instruct that you do not post in this thread again.
Thanks,
DBB

Jeff2

Oranage2 wrote: »

The first litter is the most difficult for both you and the dog, it's definitely tough, you have to keep an eye out that there's no fighting or that the mother doesn't ignore a pup etc that you might have to intervene and hand feed the pup every few hours, but the mother dog will usually do all the work, you just have to clean up after the pups and be vigilant. Also A big dog like a Rottweiler will have difficulties as the mother might be very protective so make sure you've experience with big dogs. And there's also the look of the dog, as you said you're not in Ireland so see if docked tails and cropped ears are popular and legal, you might unfortunately have to do it if you want to make a profit as it's the classic rotty look.

Recommended litter for a bitch is 3 to 4 and you should do it when the dog is young. I've never seen any complications with removing pups, the mother dog gets over it soon enough.

Strange that a pet forum would allow this post and ban someone for complaining.

Cherry Blossom

Jeff2 wrote: »

Strange that a pet forum would allow this post and ban someone for complaining.

Jeff2, we are not permitted to discuss moderation actions with any third party. I will note that you have not reported the post in question or discussed it with any of the moderators, you have instead decided to try to vilify us publicly instead. If this is the route you wish to take then Feedback or help desk or somewhere is the place for it to be discussed. If you have nothing of value to add to this thread for the OP then don’t post in it again. The thread has been taken far enough off topic.

A hell of a lot has gone on behind the scenes here in the last day or two. We have had enough of this bickering. It ends here.

DBB

Mod note
Just to add to CB's post, the ban was categorically NOT issued because that poster complained about various posts.
It was the manner in which they delivered their message which broke a number of site-wide rules, both on-thread, and via a series of angry, nasty PMs to the mods, that resulted in the ban. It is an important distinction, lest anyone misinterpret this whole thing as meaning that mods agree with procedures that are contrary to good welfare.
I hope that clarifies. If anyone wishes to discuss this further, please refrain from doing so on-thread. You can PM mods, or raise it via the Help Desk.
Thanks,
DBB

Cherry Blossom

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Jeff2

DBB wrote: »

Mod note
Just to add to CB's post, the ban was categorically NOT issued because that poster complained about various posts.
It was the manner in which they delivered their message which broke a number of site-wide rules, both on-thread, and via a series of angry, nasty PMs to the mods, that resulted in the ban. It is an important distinction, lest anyone misinterpret this whole thing as meaning that mods agree with procedures that are contrary to good welfare.
I hope that clarifies. If anyone wishes to discuss this further, please refrain from doing so on-thread. You can PM mods, or raise it via the Help Desk.
Thanks,
DBB

But the post is still there saying one might want to cut a dogs tail off and ears. ?