GDPR and Irish politics.

jmcc

Seems that parties other than SF have problems with GDPR and privacy:

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40273802.html

Regards...jmcc

beakerjoe

jmcc wrote: »

Seems that parties other than SF have problems with GDPR and privacy:

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40273802.html

Regards...jmcc

I well believe it. Most companies do, its not exclusive to politics or SF.

jmcc

beakerjoe wrote: »

I well believe it. Most companies do, its not exclusive to politics or SF.

Yep. The incessant whining from the Sindo/Indo about SF's database has unintentionally landed most of the political parties in the crap over GDPR and data privacy. The parties all have to explain their online activities to the Oireachtas Housing Committee. FG (and others) have been rushing to fix issues with their websites and those of their reps. The GDPR is legislation from people with a 16th century mindset trying to legislate for a 21st century problem. The DPC not having enough staff has limited the number of cases and investigations it can run.

Regards...jmcc

skimpydoo

jmcc wrote: »

Yep. The incessant whining from the Sindo/Indo about SF's database has unintentionally landed most of the political parties in the crap over GDPR and data privacy. The parties all have to explain their online activities to the Oireachtas Housing Committee. FG (and others) have been rushing to fix issues with their websites and those of their reps. The GDPR is legislation from people with a 16th century mindset trying to legislate for a 21st century problem. The DPC not having enough staff has limited the number of cases and investigations it can run.

Regards...jmcc

I would not be surprised if it turns out that the DPC's budget etc is small so that we can look after all the multinational and tech companies based in Ireland.

jmcc

skimpydoo wrote: »

I would not be surprised if it turns out that the DPC's budget etc is small so that we can look after all the multinational and tech companies based in Ireland.

You might very well think that. I couldn't possibly comment.

Regards...jmcc

FrancieBrady

skimpydoo wrote: »

I would not be surprised if it turns out that the DPC's budget etc is small so that we can look after all the multinational and tech companies based in Ireland.

Now that nearly all parties have issue the focus should turn on how the DPC is resourced and what the hell they have been doing to miss something so widescale.

shanec1928

jmcc wrote: »

Yep. The incessant whining from the Sindo/Indo about SF's database has unintentionally landed most of the political parties in the crap over GDPR and data privacy. The parties all have to explain their online activities to the Oireachtas Housing Committee. FG (and others) have been rushing to fix issues with their websites and those of their reps. The GDPR is legislation from people with a 16th century mindset trying to legislate for a 21st century problem. The DPC not having enough staff has limited the number of cases and investigations it can run.

Regards...jmcc

part of the reason all those FG TD’s personal websites went offline in the last few days.

elperello

I would have thought that the onus was on the political parties to ensure that they were in compliance before embarking on these projects.

FrancieBrady

elperello wrote: »

I would have thought that the onus was on the political parties to ensure that they were in compliance before embarking on these projects.

The 'onus' is on people to pay tax, but you can be damn sure there are people proactively checking that you are.

jmcc

shanec1928 wrote: »

part of the reason all those FG TD’s personal websites went offline in the last few days.

Yep. Some of them might also have been hosted outside the EU.

Regards...jmcc

beakerjoe

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Now that nearly all parties have issue the focus should turn on how the DPC is resourced and what the hell they have been doing to miss something so widescale.

It wont. A few political parties not understanding how GDPR works is a very small issue on the grand scale. Its not a serious matter

FrancieBrady

beakerjoe wrote: »

It wont. A few political parties not understanding how GDPR works is a very small issue on the grand scale. Its not a serious matter

It begs the question, what else, more serious, is being missed for lack of resources/competence?

beakerjoe

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It begs the question, what else, more serious, is being missed for lack of resources/competence?

What are you talking about? They didn't miss anything. You dont understand how the DPC is meant to work or how GDPR works.

Nothing necessarily unlawful appears to have occured.

FrancieBrady

beakerjoe wrote: »

What are you talking about? They didn't miss anything. You dont understand how the DPC is meant to work or how GDPR works.

Nothing necessarily unlawful appears to have occured.

The DPC by their own website or mission statement is meant to be 'monitoring and enforcing compliance'.

Very passive monitoring and enforcement would you not agree?

elperello

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The 'onus' is on people to pay tax, but you can be damn sure there are people proactively checking that you are.

Agreed but as they are seeking a mandate to become lawmakers I think we should hold political parties to a higher standard than individual members of the public.

Once a decision is taken to carry out an exercise with GDPR implications a due diligence procedure should be automatic.

FrancieBrady

elperello wrote: »

Agreed but as they are seeking a mandate to become lawmakers I think we should hold political parties to a higher standard than individual members of the public.

Once a decision is taken to carry out an exercise with GDPR implications a due diligence procedure should be automatic.

And with the best will in the world companies and political parties get it wrong...like people get tax returns wrong.
The point being - once again a state agency tasked with safeguarding us has been under resourced/powered and we are the victims.

beakerjoe

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The DPC by their own website or mission statement is meant to be 'monitoring and enforcing compliance'.

Very passive monitoring and enforcement would you not agree?

No. I wouldnt agree. They can only monitor what brought to their atttention and only investigate with good cause.

Issues where brought to their attention, they have started to investigate. Youre just being unreasonable.

beakerjoe

FrancieBrady wrote: »

And with the best will in the world companies and political parties get it wrong...like people get tax returns wrong.
The point being - once again a state agency tasked with safeguarding us has been under resourced/powered and we are the victims.

How are you a victim? Where your rights infringed?

El Tarangu

Overheal wrote: »

given that it's likely if you're a voter or whatever you're including and the database, and I would think you have some kind of Freedom of Information law, couldn't you request a copy of data personally tied to you and see how it looks and whats in it?

FoI relates to government departments. However, you can write to any organisation that you believe might be holding data on you and ask to see it - you just have to write them an email and ask (they will probably ask you to confirm your identity) - https://gdpr-info.eu/art-15-gdpr/

FrancieBrady wrote: »

And with the best will in the world companies and political parties get it wrong...like people get tax returns wrong.
The point being - once again a state agency tasked with safeguarding us has been under resourced/powered and we are the victims.

Why are you trying to shift the blame away from SF, and on to the DPC? If the DPC had 10,000 employees, they still would not be able to comb through all the hundreds of millions of databases in existence, looking for breaches.

elperello

FrancieBrady wrote: »

And with the best will in the world companies and political parties get it wrong...like people get tax returns wrong.
The point being - once again a state agency tasked with safeguarding us has been under resourced/powered and we are the victims.

The structures of political parties and companies are similar and they are obliged to comply with all relevant legislation in their activities.

It might go something like this, 1- Decision by board 2- Sub Committee to pursue objective 3- Action taken by staff reporting to CEO.

All along the chain of command ensuring compliance with all existing legislation is a given in any well run enterprise.

FrancieBrady

El Tarangu wrote: »

FoI relates to government departments. However, you can write to any organisation that you believe might be holding data on you and ask to see it - you just have to write them an email and ask (they will probably ask you to confirm your identity) - https://gdpr-info.eu/art-15-gdpr/



Why are you trying to shift the blame away from SF, and on to the DPC? If the DPC had 10,000 employees, they still would not be able to comb through all the hundreds of millions of databases in existence, looking for breaches.

That is just excuse making...it seems all parties are not compliant.
I'd call that gross incompetence if I was running a monitoring and enforcement agency.

beakerjoe

FrancieBrady wrote: »

That is just excuse making...it seems all parties are not compliant.
I'd call that gross incompetence if I was running a monitoring and enforcement agency.

Its not. You just dont understand how it works.

skimpydoo

shanec1928 wrote: »

part of the reason all those FG TD’s personal websites went offline in the last few days.

Michael Martin's website is offline Which is ironic as he is quoted in Philip Ryan's latest article on ABU.

FrancieBrady

beakerjoe wrote: »

Its not. You just dont understand how it works.

It ain't working as a 'monitoring and enforcement' agency if all parties are not compliant no matter how you spin it.

skimpydoo

If GDPR compliance is an issue I wonder what else they are not compliant with?

beakerjoe

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It ain't working as a 'monitoring and enforcement' agency if all parties are not compliant no matter how you spin it.

An issue was brought to the DPCs attention and they are investigating.

What more do you want?

You just dont understand what your talking about and clearly have an agenda against the DPC. Why, I dunno?

FrancieBrady

beakerjoe wrote: »

An issue was brought to the DPCs attention and they are investigating.

What more do you want?

You just dont understand what your talking about and clearly have an agenda against the DPC. Why, I dunno?

We should be depending on the 'monitoring' agency not jornalists.
Do you understand what 'monitor' means?

beakerjoe

skimpydoo wrote: »

If GDPR compliance is an issue I wonder what else they are not compliant with?

Hard to tell. Many companies arent fully aware of their responsibilities and obligations.

However, just because an organisation isnt aware of their obligations doesn't mean anything unlawful occurred or any data breaches occurred.

Like not having a data protection officer may not result in any people being affected.

Ha Long Bay

skimpydoo wrote: »

Michael Martin's website is offline Which is ironic as he is quoted in Philip Ryan's latest article on ABU.

When was it last online?


Looks like the same site as 2019

https://web.archive.org/web/20190904165935/http://michealmartin.ie/

beakerjoe

FrancieBrady wrote: »

We should be depending on the 'monitoring' agency not jornalists.
Do you understand what 'monitor' means?

You are being intentionally unreasonable to suit your narrative.

DPC is a small orgainstion.

It cant inspect every database containing data in every organisation on Ireland at the same time. Think about how many organisations are in the country. Think about it.

It is impossible.

You have ridiculously unrealistic expectations. You need to get back to reality.