Whinging feminists in the media

Leg End Reject

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If only. There'll be a new one in a day or 2 with the same outrage.

Posting is optional, so no need to imply any of us are under an obligation to contribute.

On that note, goodnight, it's past my bedtime.

purifol0

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lol.

Ok then. Stats please.

https://www.courtesyfeed.com/highest-paid-pornstars-of-all-time/


https://www.marieclaire.com.au/richest-models



lol

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purifol0 wrote: »

https://www.courtesyfeed.com/highest-paid-pornstars-of-all-time/


https://www.marieclaire.com.au/richest-models



lol

No, I asked for an example where things flipped from the junior positions to the senior. As expected, this just shows top earners. I could just as easily show sports stars salaries as evidence of the disparity in an industry.

AmyMurphy22

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No, I asked for an example where things flipped from the junior positions to the senior. As expected, this just shows top earners. I could just as easily show sports stars salaries as evidence of the disparity in an industry.

Can you at least concede that its possible there are more men in senior positions because they sacrifice work-life balance and family time to get there? And not that it must be "sexism"?

I know I'll never reach a senior position in my company. I'm happy in my current role and the balance and stress-free nature of it. I won't be crying sexism - there are woman who do progress to senior roles. But men seem far more interested in it.

Eric Cartman

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By all means show me stats where men make up an equal number of junior positions in a sector of industry but less than 1 in 4 positions of a senior level in that same industry and then we will be comparing like with like.

I know where youre going with that, and I know why, we wont find one , there is no industry where the lower rungs have a decent cache of women and the ratio at the upper rungs is more female.

But you believe its due to sexism or being overlooked for promotion , which theres no evidence to support in most cases, whereas i believe its more to do with a lot of women having children, taking the time out for those children , not dedicating their time to pursue the top job etc.. for which theres loads of evidence for women making that choice .

purifol0

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No, I asked for an example where things flipped from the junior positions to the senior. As expected, this just shows top earners. I could just as easily show sports stars salaries as evidence of the disparity in an industry.

Nope you are still wrong, porn is a big industry and men outnumber women overall AND in the low paid (or just plain unpaid) positions. Whereas at the top, the ladies rule. It's a perfect example.


Now admit it.

Skippyme

Bobtheman wrote: »

You never see any articles about male issues. Issues on which men come out worse than women

They don't get enough support especially from a large percentage of men. In fact some want to shoot them down resulting in others thinking things will never change - best to keep head down etc.

I started 2 debates Bob ...



( 1 ) Men Harming Men


https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058042337



( 2 ) Inferior Abuse Gains, Support, Humanity , Equality


https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058179443

dark crystal

Wibbs wrote: »

The basic tenet of modern feminism is; women are always agentless victims and men/the patriarchy are always to blame.

Switch genders there and you have this thread in a nutshell and the countless other threads on Boards.ie/Reddit like it. If modern media is awash with feminism, the modern internet is awash with male victim-hood.

I doubt either gender pays a jot of attention to either extreme in the real world. As a woman, I do not consider myself an 'agentless victim' and I highly doubt most men could, by any stretch of the imagination, describe themselves as such either; certainly not throughout most of the Western world in any case.

There are still great strides to be made around issues such as bodily autonomy with women and issues such as higher suicide rates in men, however this gender war nonsense, so prevalent on threads like this, does nothing to address such issues. Nothing at all. It's juvenile nonsense.

dark crystal

dark crystal wrote: »

Switch genders there and you have this thread in a nutshell and the countless other threads on Boards.ie/Reddit like it. If modern media is awash with feminism, the modern internet is awash with male victim-hood.

I doubt either gender pays a jot of attention to either extreme in the real world. As a woman, I do not consider myself an 'agentless victim' and I highly doubt most men could, by any stretch of the imagination, describe themselves as such either; certainly not throughout most of the Western world in any case.

There are still great strides to be made around issues such as bodily autonomy with women and issues such as higher suicide rates in men, however this gender war nonsense, so prevalent on threads like this, does nothing to address such issues. Nothing at all. It's juvenile nonsense.

He did say, Feminism... not that all or most women feel this way. Considering the remarkably high numbers of women who would state that they're not feminists...

Bobtheman

Ah look this nation of ours is broke. Even pre covid.
No doubt when the **** hits the fan women will claim it impacts them harder.
But it will impact.

Tell me how

dark crystal wrote: »

Switch genders there and you have this thread in a nutshell and the countless other threads on Boards.ie/Reddit like it. If modern media is awash with feminism, the modern internet is awash with male victim-hood.

I doubt either gender pays a jot of attention to either extreme in the real world. As a woman, I do not consider myself an 'agentless victim' and I highly doubt most men could, by any stretch of the imagination, describe themselves as such either; certainly not throughout most of the Western world in any case.

There are still great strides to be made around issues such as bodily autonomy with women and issues such as higher suicide rates in men, however this gender war nonsense, so prevalent on threads like this, does nothing to address such issues. Nothing at all. It's juvenile nonsense.

You said it, there are 2 more threads on here today which belong to the same genre.

There's going to be eternal victims amongst both genders, it will forever be this way. But for the most part, it seems the female gender is much more constructive in getting together and advocating for improvement.
The loudest voices in the male gender, seem to be complaining about them doing it rather that trying to build a consensus amongst themselves. Men have done it in the past, the Safepass training scheme came about after protests from construction workers concerned at the number of injuries and deaths on construction sites around the country.

There are a number of support networks with a focus on serving men in Ireland, The mens shed association being one of them, and there are others helping men have a place to connect and get support without it being a formal environment. I suppose sport clubs provide this function for a lot of people also. Male and female, but predominantly male.

We don't see threads about these though, accessing, experiences of them etc, it's just pseudo-discussion threads used as a place to vent in ire rather than seek or offer support.

dark crystal

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He did say, Feminism... not that all or most women feel this way. Considering the remarkably high numbers of women who would state that they're not feminists...

Would most men describe themselves as masculinists? Very few people away from internet boards like this one tend to define themselves in such ways.

The problem with numerous threads like this, often employing ironic titles such as "Whinging feminists" whilst continuing on the do the exact same thing in the ensuing post, is that instead of dwelling on what it means to be a man nowadays, they tend to be entirely oppositional and it’s hard to escape the feeling that most of them are simply out to trigger the ubiquitous feminists, rather than develop a genuinely original body of thought.

It was brought up earlier in the thread that most of these threads prefer to engage in gender war nonsense and demonise 'da feminists', rather than actually shine a spotlight on men's issues in their own right.

Gets the usual likes, I guess. Lazy and predictable as fu*k though.

Silentcorner

dark crystal wrote: »

. If modern media is awash with feminism, the modern internet is awash with male victim-hood.
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What a predictably one dimensional attitude.

Modern media is losing it's grip on the amount of people it can influence, as such is pumping out hysterical content which fits right into the mindset of today's feminists....of course there will be resistance to this influence on our society just like there has been resistance to every twisted ideology we gorge on...we are importing this ideology from the US, where the use of anti depressants and anxiety related issues in young women are increasing year on year, there doesn't seem to be any evidence that this ideology actually has a positive impact on the lives of young women!!!

"Bodily Autonomy" .... what age are you? Are you capable of an origional thought yourself?

dark crystal

Silentcorner wrote: »

What a predictably one dimensional attitude.

Modern media is losing it's grip on the amount of people it can influence, as such is pumping out hysterical content which fits right into the mindset of today's feminists....of course there will be resistance to this influence on our society just like there has been resistance to every twisted ideology we gorge on...we are importing this ideology from the US, where the use of anti depressants and anxiety related issues in young women are increasing year on year, there doesn't seem to be any evidence that this ideology actually has a positive impact on the lives of young women!!!

"Hysterical content" ..."twisted ideologies" lol. What a brilliant, three-dimensional and, most importantly, original opinion you have there. Sounds like something lifted straight from a Reddit page

Still, it's great to know you have such a wide-ranging understanding regarding the misuse of anti-depressants amongst women in the US. Where did you happen to come across that nugget of information?

"Bodily Autonomy" .... what age are you?

I'm 45, why? Is there an age limit to discussing the issue of abortion? I also mentioned male suicide rates in that sentence - interesting you don't find that aspect of my post as incredulous.

Silentcorner

dark crystal wrote: »

"Hysterical content" ..."twisted ideologies" lol. What a brilliant, three-dimensional and, most importantly, original opinion you have there. Sounds like something lifted straight from a Reddit page

Still, it's great to know you have such a wide-ranging understanding regarding the misuse of anti-depressants amongst women in the US. Where did you happen to come across that nugget of information?



I'm 45, why? Is there an age limit to discussing the issue of abortion? I also mentioned male suicide rates in that sentence - interesting you don't find that aspect of my post as incredulous.

You spend time on reddit so you'd know, I don't go near the place...maybe you should stop frequenting the place because it is clearly an issue for you...not everyone is going to think the way you do...that is life.

You're 45???? You sound like a 19 year old Gender Studies student...how can a 45 year old women be worried about bodily autonomy in this country today and go on to accuse anyone who doesn't agree with her as incapable of origional thought!!!

Tell me how

dark crystal wrote: »

"Hysterical content" ..."twisted ideologies" lol. What a brilliant, three-dimensional and, most importantly, original opinion you have there. Sounds like something lifted straight from a Reddit page

Still, it's great to know you have such a wide-ranging understanding regarding the misuse of anti-depressants amongst women in the US. Where did you happen to come across that nugget of information?



I'm 45, why? Is there an age limit to discussing the issue of abortion? I also mentioned male suicide rates in that sentence - interesting you don't find that aspect of my post as incredulous.

And in their post also implied that more women taking anxiety and depression medication is an inherently bad thing when in this very thread there are people lamenting how come someone isn't doing something about the rate of suicides amongst men.

Silentcorner

dark crystal wrote: »

"Hysterical content" ..."twisted ideologies" lol. What a brilliant, three-dimensional and, most importantly, original opinion you have there.

Let me just address this point, my opinion on hysterical content is not an origional thought it is a well documented phenomenon and is evident to anyone with half a brain.

The use of highly emotive terms (ie toxic masculinity, misogyny, rape culture etc) has exploded in media over the last 4-5 years...the same time the amount of women who identify as feminists surged...do you ever notice how "strong independent women" all think the same?

There are people consuming news content at a rate that is unhealthy for them,

dark crystal

Silentcorner wrote: »

You spend time on reddit so you'd know, I don't go near the place...maybe you should stop frequenting the place because it is clearly an issue for you...not everyone is going to think the way you do...that is life.

If you say so!

You're 45???? You sound like a 19 year old Gender Studies student...how can a 45 year old women be worried about bodily autonomy in this country today and go on to accuse anyone who doesn't agree with her as incapable of origional thought!!!

My my, you are rather angry, so angry in seems, you appear unable to comprehend any of my points.

I did not mention bodily autonomy in this country today (although it's still not perfect) I mentioned the issue of bodily autonomy in general. It's an issue, even if you seem oblivious to it. Again, I also mentioned higher rates of male suicide in the same sentence, however you didn't feel the need to jump on and insult me for making that point. It's as if your anger is directed one way only.

Also, it might be worth checking your own posts as to who was accusing who of lack of origional (sic) thought.

This is what these threads always descend into - gender war bull. It's so boringly predictable and unorigional (sic)!

dark crystal

Silentcorner wrote: »

Let me just address this point, my opinion on hysterical content is not an origional thought it is a well documented phenomenon and is evident to anyone with half a brain.

Someone with half a brain could surely learn to spell the word 'original' correctly at least once!

The use of highly emotive terms (ie toxic masculinity, misogyny, rape culture etc) has exploded in media over the last 4-5 years...the same time the amount of women who identify as feminists surged...do you ever notice how "strong independent women" all think the same?

There are people consuming news content at a rate that is unhealthy for them,

You must consume news content at an unhealthy rate yourself in order to have reached the conclusion that all these highly emotive terms have exploded in the media over the last 4-5 years. Or perhaps it's something you read on Reddit...?

dark crystal

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And in their post also implied that more women taking anxiety and depression medication is an inherently bad thing when in this very thread there are people lamenting how come someone isn't doing something about the rate of suicides amongst men.

Somehow, I doubt critical thinking figures high on the list of a person who uses internet buzzwords to make their points.

Silentcorner

dark crystal wrote: »

If you say so!



My my, you are rather angry, so angry in seems, you appear unable to comprehend any of my points.

I did not mention bodily autonomy in this country today (although it's still not perfect) I mentioned the issue of bodily autonomy in general. It's an issue, even if you seem oblivious to it. Again, I also mentioned higher rates of male suicide in the same sentence, however you didn't feel the need to jump on and insult me for making that point. It's as if your anger is directed one way only.

Also, it might be worth checking your own posts as to who was accusing who of lack of origional (sic) thought.

This is what these threads always descend into - gender war bull. It's so boringly predictable and unorigional (sic)!

No I don't say so....you said so...you are the one on reddit....

Is that all you have, accuse me of being angry?

You mentioned bodily autonomy...we are still none the wiser what you were alluding to...bodily autonomy in general? Maybe if you were able to articulate a point I could comprehend what you are struggling to say here!!!

Responding to a post isn't jumping on you....this is an online forum, this is what happens, you are well able to dish it out.

Silentcorner

dark crystal wrote: »

You must consume news content at an unhealthy rate yourself in order to have reached the conclusion that all these highly emotive terms have exploded in the media over the last 4-5 years. Or perhaps it's something you read on Reddit...?

Can you stop accusing me of being on Reddit...I don't know why you are doing that...it's weird....

I consume as little news as possible, I'd urge you to do the same...it erodes a persons ability to critically analyze any given topic.

dark crystal

Silentcorner wrote: »

Can you stop accusing me of being on Reddit...I don't know why you are doing that...it's weird....

I consume as little news as possible, I'd urge you to do the same...it erodes a persons ability to critically analyze any given topic.

Shocker.

Ted_YNWA

dark crystal wrote: »

Someone with half a brain could surely learn to spell the word 'original' correctly at least once!



You must consume news content at an unhealthy rate yourself in order to have reached the conclusion that all these highly emotive terms have exploded in the media over the last 4-5 years. Or perhaps it's something you read on Reddit...?

dark crystal wrote: »

Somehow, I doubt critical thinking figures high on the list of a person who uses internet buzzwords to make their points.

dark crystal wrote: »

Shocker.

Mod

Choose your next post here VERY carefully, or your access to this thread will be revoked

py2006

dark crystal wrote: »

Someone with half a brain could surely learn to spell the word 'original' correctly at least once!

dark crystal wrote: »

Somehow, I doubt critical thinking figures high on the list of a person who uses internet buzzwords to make their points.

dark crystal wrote: »

Shocker.

Rather than insulting posters, perhaps you should contribute with something with a bit more depth.

Men (and women) are allowed call out ridiculous feminists articles and discuss them here.


EDIT: sorry, moderator just posted before me on this

99nsr125

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Can you point to where anyone is arguing that everyone be forced to be the same.

You clearly don't understand the argument here, given that you are around the thread a lot, I think trying to conflate it here is a deliberate attempt.

How about where the continual push to force women into the same occupations traditionally done by men.

The people pushing that agenda seem to hace some underlying inadequacy that they can't resolve through merit and transfer there feelings into an ideology.

How about you let women decide want they want to do and excel at it, like in medicine.

The 'problem' is I clearly do understand the argument but have highlighted the concept of consent is thrown out the window when it doesn't suit the narrative for feminists. They who then advocate the disagreeable women need to be 're-educated' away from roles they excel at and are paid well for.

Here an often quoted example
Why are they not more female electricians rather than nurses. Well guess what nurses earn more than electricians, it's a better job with a significant and rewarding career path with commensurate pay.

Then when it suits the agenda it's sexism and nothing about the actual terms and conditions.

99nsr125

AmyMurphy22 wrote: »

Can you at least concede that its possible there are more men in senior positions because they sacrifice work-life balance and family time to get there? And not that it must be "sexism"?

I know I'll never reach a senior position in my company. I'm happy in my current role and the balance and stress-free nature of it. I won't be crying sexism - there are woman who do progress to senior roles. But men seem far more interested in it.

I actually have a study from a feminists group thay says jusy this.

Men work longer hours and get the higher position

Except they tried to frame if as high flying women having to rush home for domestic duties which is ridiculous.

There is no hope in hell highly accomplished women are rushing home to sweep the floor or some other such nonsense.

Overheal

99nsr125 wrote: »

I actually have a study from a feminists group thay says jusy this.

Men work longer hours and get the higher position

Except they tried to frame if as high flying women having to rush home for domestic duties which is ridiculous.

There is no hope in hell highly accomplished women are rushing home to sweep the floor or some other such nonsense.

Because accomplished women can't have children etc and child rearing is not traditionally a mothers primary charge, and there is still likely to be a vast majority of families that settle in to such roles? Or was there some other reason it is ridiculous nonsense.

Tell me how

py2006 wrote: »

Rather than insulting posters, perhaps you should contribute with something with a bit more depth.

Men (and women) are allowed call out ridiculous feminists articles and discuss them here.


EDIT: sorry, moderator just posted before me on this

Pity they don't link the specific articles or interviews that bother them.

Much easier talk about it being 'all media' 'every paper every day' in broadsweeping terms to paint a picture to push a narrative that the country is being overrun with people who are in positions of authority and are undermining men at every step.

Tell me how

99nsr125 wrote: »

How about where the continual push to force women into the same occupations traditionally done by men.

The people pushing that agenda seem to hace some underlying inadequacy that they can't resolve through merit and transfer there feelings into an ideology.

How about you let women decide want they want to do and excel at it, like in medicine.

The 'problem' is I clearly do understand the argument but have highlighted the concept of consent is thrown out the window when it doesn't suit the narrative for feminists. They who then advocate the disagreeable women need to be 're-educated' away from roles they excel at and are paid well for.

Here an often quoted example
Why are they not more female electricians rather than nurses. Well guess what nurses earn more than electricians, it's a better job with a significant and rewarding career path with commensurate pay.

Then when it suits the agenda it's sexism and nothing about the actual terms and conditions.

It's not a push to force women in to occupations, it's a push to recognize that many women want to work in these occupations.

When I served my time as an electrician, there were 3 women in my class. I don't know how much experience you have of that particular trade but it is very versatile in terms of the options open to someone to advance their career prospects in whatever direction they choose be it as a business owner, self-employed or to advance their education to degree level and work in roles in a huge range of industries. How many nurses are self employed or own a business 10 years after they qualify?