Female Police officer stabbed to death in France

Overheal

jmreire wrote: »

Quote from CSO 2016:-

Table 1.1 Country of origin of non-Irish nationals resident in Ireland classified by number of persons, 2016
Number of nationals
1 - 10 11 - 50 51 - 200 201 - 1,000 1,001 - 10,000 Over 10,000
Andorra Azerbaijan Armenia Albania Afghanistan America
Anguilla Bahrain Bolivia Algeria Australia Brazil
Antigua/Barbuda Barbados Burma Angola Bangladesh France
Bahamas Benin Burundi Argentina Belgium Germany
Belize Bhutan Cuba Austria Bulgaria India
Bermuda Brunei Cyprus Belarus Canada Italy
British Indian Ocean territory Chad Eritrea Bosnia China Latvia
Burkina Faso Costa Rica Guinea Botswana Congo Lithuania
Cambodia Dominica Hong Kong Cameroon Croatia Poland
Cape Verde Dominican Republic Iceland Chile Czech Republic Romania
Cayman Islands East Timor Indonesia Colombia Estonia Spain
Central African Ecuador Ivory Coast Denmark Hungary UK
Faroe Islands Equatorial Guinea Jamaica Egypt Malaysia
French Polynesia Fiji Jordan Ethiopia Mauritius
Gibraltar Gambia Kazakhstan Finland Mexico
Grenada Guatemala Lebanon Georgia Moldova
Guadeloupe Guyana Lesotho Ghana Netherlands
Guam Honduras Liberia Greece New Zealand
Guinea - Bissau Kyrgyzstan Macedonia Iran Nigeria
Haiti Laos Malta Iraq Pakistan
Liechtenstein Luxembourg Palestine Israel Philippines
Macau Maldives Peru Japan Portugal
Madagascar Mali Rwanda Kenya Russian Federation
Monaco Mauritania Sierra Leone Kosovo Saudi Arabia
Montserrat Montenegro Tanzania Kuwait Slovakia
Mozambique Nicaragua Togo Libya South Africa
Namibia Niger Trinidad and Tobago Malawi South Korea
North Korea Panama Tunisia Mongolia Sweden
Papua New Guinea Paraguay Uganda Morocco Thailand
Puerto Rico Salvadoran United Arab Emirates Nepal Turkey
Qatar Samoa Uruguay Norway Ukraine
Reunion Senegal Zambia Oman Venezuela
San Marino Seychelles Serbia
Solomon Islands South Sudan Singapore
St. Kitts and Nevis Swaziland Slovenia
St. Lucia Uzbekistan Somalia
St. Vincents Yemen Sri Lanka
Suriname Sudan
Tonga Switzerland
Turkmenistan Syria
Turks and Caicos Islands Taiwan
Vatican City Vietnam
Western Sahara Zimbabwe
Yugoslavia
Number of countries
44 37 32 43 32 12
Total number of persons
201 949 3,398 22,721 105,341 393,959
Open in Excel: Census 2016 Profile 7 - Migration and Diversity Table 1.1 (XLS 14KB)
But check the CSO web page, and it comes out a lot clearer than copy paste. Plus its nearly 5 years out of date, and I'm pretty sure that the next census will show increases.

Try posting this again using the Table tag. Oh mobile so I broke something trying

A table showing immigration doesn't prove there is unrestricted immigration.
There are rules regarding immigration.
The only unrestricted immigration is UK citizens and EU citizens.

jmreire

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

I live in the UK, Close to the Manchester arena that was recently bombed so you are very wrong there kiddo.

So you were in a City where an Islamic terrorist detonated a bomb which killed 27 people, wounded 800, and traumatised many more. ( wiki ) I'm sure that it changed their opinions on terrorism, for sure. But you are unaffected? Had you actually been in the stadium, would you still feel the same?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

jmreire wrote: »

Quote from CSO 2016:-

Table 1.1 Country of origin of non-Irish nationals resident in Ireland classified by number of persons, 2016
Number of nationals
1 - 10 11 - 50 51 - 200 201 - 1,000 1,001 - 10,000 Over 10,000
Andorra Azerbaijan Armenia Albania Afghanistan America
Anguilla Bahrain Bolivia Algeria Australia Brazil
Antigua/Barbuda Barbados Burma Angola Bangladesh France
Bahamas Benin Burundi Argentina Belgium Germany
Belize Bhutan Cuba Austria Bulgaria India
Bermuda Brunei Cyprus Belarus Canada Italy
British Indian Ocean territory Chad Eritrea Bosnia China Latvia
Burkina Faso Costa Rica Guinea Botswana Congo Lithuania
Cambodia Dominica Hong Kong Cameroon Croatia Poland
Cape Verde Dominican Republic Iceland Chile Czech Republic Romania
Cayman Islands East Timor Indonesia Colombia Estonia Spain
Central African Ecuador Ivory Coast Denmark Hungary UK
Faroe Islands Equatorial Guinea Jamaica Egypt Malaysia
French Polynesia Fiji Jordan Ethiopia Mauritius
Gibraltar Gambia Kazakhstan Finland Mexico
Grenada Guatemala Lebanon Georgia Moldova
Guadeloupe Guyana Lesotho Ghana Netherlands
Guam Honduras Liberia Greece New Zealand
Guinea - Bissau Kyrgyzstan Macedonia Iran Nigeria
Haiti Laos Malta Iraq Pakistan
Liechtenstein Luxembourg Palestine Israel Philippines
Macau Maldives Peru Japan Portugal
Madagascar Mali Rwanda Kenya Russian Federation
Monaco Mauritania Sierra Leone Kosovo Saudi Arabia
Montserrat Montenegro Tanzania Kuwait Slovakia
Mozambique Nicaragua Togo Libya South Africa
Namibia Niger Trinidad and Tobago Malawi South Korea
North Korea Panama Tunisia Mongolia Sweden
Papua New Guinea Paraguay Uganda Morocco Thailand
Puerto Rico Salvadoran United Arab Emirates Nepal Turkey
Qatar Samoa Uruguay Norway Ukraine
Reunion Senegal Zambia Oman Venezuela
San Marino Seychelles Serbia
Solomon Islands South Sudan Singapore
St. Kitts and Nevis Swaziland Slovenia
St. Lucia Uzbekistan Somalia
St. Vincents Yemen Sri Lanka
Suriname Sudan
Tonga Switzerland
Turkmenistan Syria
Turks and Caicos Islands Taiwan
Vatican City Vietnam
Western Sahara Zimbabwe
Yugoslavia
Number of countries
44 37 32 43 32 12
Total number of persons
201 949 3,398 22,721 105,341 393,959
Open in Excel: Census 2016 Profile 7 - Migration and Diversity Table 1.1 (XLS 14KB)
But check the CSO web page, and it comes out a lot clearer than copy paste. Plus its nearly 5 years out of date, and I'm pretty sure that the next census will show increases.

How the hell does this translate into "unrestrcited"?

Secondly, Yugoslavia no longer exists.

jmreire

jmreire wrote: »

So you were in a City where an Islamic terrorist detonated a bomb which killed 27 people, wounded 800, and traumatised many more. ( wiki ) I'm sure that it changed their opinions on terrorism, for sure. But you are unaffected? Had you actually been in the stadium, would you still feel the same?

Pretty sure everyone is against terrorism, whether they personally have been victims or not!

biko

bubblypop wrote: »

My Muslim friends have no issue with gay people.

Are they practising? Go to mosque every week?



Do you/they think Islam will change to accept gays?

jmreire

Overheal wrote: »

Try posting this again using the Table tag. Oh mobile so I broke something trying

Thanks Overheal. I had a formula one time for translating a copied file into excel, It was very usefull too, but as I have not used it in a very long time, I have forgotten how it worked.
Thanks again.:)

biko

biko wrote: »

Are they practising? Go to mosque every week?



Do you/they think Islam will change to accept gays?

I have no idea whether Islam will change, I imagine it will be the same as Catholicism which also believes in backwards ideologies, like homosexuality is sin.
I don't care.
My Muslim friends have no issue with gays, one of my friends, her cousin, is a gay man.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

biko wrote: »

Are they practising? Go to mosque every week?



Do you/they think Islam will change to accept gays?

Again:

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

You say "a country that just recently have throw off the shackles of religion" and yet what proportion of it said it ws Catholic in the last census? This would mean - by your logic - that the country is very much STILL homphobic and sexist.

So I'm not just asking "what is an Islamist?" but what is "practicing?" - is it just a tick in a box or does one have to blindly follow the prescibed rules?

Because on your logic, homophobic religious zealots would fit in nicely here.

jmreire

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

How the hell does this translate into "unrestrcited"?

Secondly, Yugoslavia no longer exists.

23 Apr 2021 — Legal recognition to be granted for nearly 20,000 'undocumented' in Ireland ... for the purposes of pursuing Irish citizenship by way of naturalisation. ... the exploitation of these workers, who are believed to number 17,000.

So we have an estimated 17'000 "Unregulated " iE. illegal immigrants here and you say that there's no unregulated immigration ???
As for the Yugoslavia no longer existing, I strongly suggest you complain to the CSO.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

jmreire wrote: »

23 Apr 2021 — Legal recognition to be granted for nearly 20,000 'undocumented' in Ireland ... for the purposes of pursuing Irish citizenship by way of naturalisation. ... the exploitation of these workers, who are believed to number 17,000.

So we have an estimated 17'000 "Unregulated " iE. illegal immigrants here and you say that there's no unregulated immigration ???
As for the Yugoslavia no longer existing, I strongly suggest you complain to the CSO.

I never said there was no unregulatred immigration - I asked you how the list supports your claim. You lazily linked to a CSO page with no feedback, input or explanation.

Secondly, your claim was unrestricted - not unregulated.

"Unrestrcited" would mean no application provess, no checks, just straight off the plane as if they were coing from the EU or the UK - and we both know that's not true.

biko

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Again:

So I'm not just asking "what is an Islamist?" but what is "practicing?" - is it just a tick in a box or does one have to blindly follow the prescibed rules?

Because on your logic, homophobic religious zealots would fit in nicely here.

If one were to relativise (to relate on thing to another) then yes, WBC is also bad people that hates gay.
But WBC doesn't actually kill gays - Iran, Yemen, ISIS do. There is really only one country in the Middle East where it's safe to be gay. Can you guess which it is?

1 "what is an Islamist?"
A google results tells us "As it's commonly used in modern English, particularly in the press, "Islamist" means "someone who seeks to blend Islam and politics." and "desire to impose any version of Islam over society"
2 "what is "practicing?"
A google result tells us "it is commonly understood that one practices the so-called five pillars of Islam." Google the pillars.

You need to ask your Muslims friends about how strict one must be in order to be considered a practising Muslim by other Muslims.
Also ask them if they would be ok with a Muslim friend converting from Islam to Judaism.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

biko wrote: »

If one were to relativise (to relate on thing to another) then yes, WBC is also bad people that hates gay.
But WBC doesn't actually kill gays - Iran, Yemen, ISIS do. There is really only one country in the Middle East where it's safe to be gay. Can you guess which it is?

No idea what WBC or why it's relevant.

1 "what is an Islamist?"
A google results tells us "As it's commonly used in modern English, particularly in the press, "Islamist" means "someone who seeks to blend Islam and politics." and "desire to impose any version of Islam over society"
2 "what is "practicing?"
A google result tells us "it is commonly understood that one practices the so-called five pillars of Islam." Google the pillars.

You need to ask your Muslims friends about how strict one must be in order to be considered a practising Muslim by other Muslims.
Also ask them if they would be ok with a Muslim friend converting from Islam to Judaism.

So you accept that not all muslims are Islamist and not all muslims are homophobic, which means that this

biko wrote: »

I don't see why bringing Islamists to Ireland will benefit the population.

Is irrelevant as a lot of immigrants aren't "Ialsmist" and this

biko wrote: »

Are they practising? Go to mosque every week?

Do you/they think Islam will change to accept gays?

is hypocritical, unless you think catholics who go to church every week and will not change to accept gays, are dangerous people to have in Ireland.

biko

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

No idea what WBC or why it's relevant.

Westboro Baptist Church. They are the homophobic religious zealots you allude to above (the pictures by Timber).

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

catholics

Well, if Catholic immigrants into Europe killed people by stabbings or in religious bomb attacks I'd be opposed to Catholics immigrating to Europe.
Wouldn't you?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

biko wrote: »

Westboro Baptist Church. They are the homophobic religious zealots you allude to above (the pictures by Timber).

Ah ok - no, that was purely Timber. I haven't been a part of that discussion, so the abrreviation threw me off. I'm only using the Chruch.

Well, if Catholic immigrants into Europe killed people by stabbings or in religious bomb attacks I'd be opposed to Catholics immigrating to Europe.
Wouldn't you?

Your measurement was "practicing" - and thus, anyone practicing a religion that preaches homophobia should be seen as dangerous and banned from Ireland.

Either that includes catholics (or any other denomination), or you're happy to admit muslims who don't agree with homophobia, but don't actually do anything.

Which one?

biko

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Your measurement was "practicing" - and thus, anyone practicing a religion that preaches homophobia should be seen as dangerous and banned from Ireland.

Either that includes catholics (or any other denomination), or you're happy to admit muslims who don't agree with homophobia, but don't actually do anything.

Which one?

Lol, I asked Timber if his gay-friendly Muslim friends were practising Muslims and now you have brought it to Catholics in Ireland being dangerous if they don't like gays?

There are plenty of people in Muslim countries that have no issue with gays, or may even be gay.

How about we only offer refuge to gays from MENA, and no refuge to people from MENA that aren't ok with gays?
Would that work for you?

Timberrrrrrrr

biko wrote: »

Lol, I asked Timber if his gay-friendly Muslim friends were practising Muslims and now you have brought it to Catholics in Ireland being dangerous if they don't like gays?

There are plenty of people in Muslim countries that have no issue with gays, or may even be gay.

How about we only offer refuge to gays from MENA, and no refuge to people from MENA that aren't ok with gays?
Would that work for you?

No you didn't, maybe read back and see who you are talking about, good lad

biko

Sorry. It was Bubbly.

jmreire

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Has Ireland thrown its doors open to everyone? Have you proof of this?

The Minister of Justice has recently announce plans to normalise the status of an estimated 17'000 unregulated ( and therefore illegal ) Immigrants presently in the Country. Now to my way of thinking, how can it be in a properly controlled and regulated imigration system if it allows 17'000 people to slip into the Country? And bear in mind that this is an estimated figure, and could well be a lot more..time will tell. But for sure, a system so full of holes as ours, is basically throwing its doors open to everyone.

Timberrrrrrrr

jmreire wrote: »

The Minister of Justice has recently announce plans to normalise the status of an estimated 17'000 unregulated ( and therefore illegal ) Immigrants presently in the Country. Now to my way of thinking, how can it be in a properly controlled and regulated imigration system if it allows 17'000 people to slip into the Country? And bear in mind that this is an estimated figure, and could well be a lot more..time will tell. But for sure, a system so full of holes as ours, is basically throwing its doors open to everyone.

So that's a no, thanks for clarifying that.

jmreire

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

I never said there was no unregulatred immigration - I asked you how the list supports your claim. You lazily linked to a CSO page with no feedback, input or explanation.

Secondly, your claim was unrestricted - not unregulated.

"Unrestrcited" would mean no application provess, no checks, just straight off the plane as if they were coing from the EU or the UK - and we both know that's not true.

No, I dont know how we now have 17'000 unregulated and therefore illegal immigrants in Ireland.....just how did that happen exactly???

Timberrrrrrrr

jmreire wrote: »

No, I dont know how we now have 17'000 unregulated and therefore illegal immigrants in Ireland.....just how did that happen exactly???

Have they arrived in the last 2 years or the last 22 years?

jmreire

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

So that's a no, thanks for clarifying that.

Nope, its definitely not a NO. Its a statement straight from the Minister of Justice.

Timberrrrrrrr

jmreire wrote: »

Nope, its definitely not a NO. Its a statement straight from the Minister of Justice.

Where does the Minister state that

"Ireland thrown its doors open to everyone"?

Dyr

bubblypop wrote: »

My Muslim friends have no issue with gay people.

I'm sure they do, but the Muslim world has a major problem with gays

https://www.humandignitytrust.org/lgbt-the-law/map-of-criminalisation/?type_filter=crim_lgbt


Its weird that nearly world map of human rights black holes neatly transponses itself with nations of a certain faith...

biko

bubblypop wrote: »

We don't allow unrestricted immigration.
Not sure where people are getting this idea?

We all want the same thing - a well regulated immigration. We just don't agree on the numbers.

My number, for instance, is that max 10% of people in Ireland to be foreign-born.
This gives time for new arrivals to assimilate into Irish society and everyone to get used to one another.
What is your number and why that number?

I also think we should have a referendum on immigration. It's too important and has too much of an impact to be left to FF/FG and the others to do as they please.
Do you think a referendum would a fair thing to do?




I'm not sure how this has anything to do with a terrorist killing a French police assistant but as Jamel is dead we may as well keep chatting.

jmreire

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Where does the Minister state that

"Ireland thrown its doors open to everyone"?

I guess the statement " Actions speak louder than words" is meaningless to you...but for sure, 17'000 undocumented and therefore illegal immigrants she mentioned, denotes a lot of action of the open door variety.

biko

biko wrote: »

We all want the same thing - a well regulated immigration. We just don't agree on the numbers.

My number, for instance, is that max 10% of people in Ireland to be foreign-born.
This gives time for new arrivals to assimilate into Irish society and everyone to get used to one another.
What is your number and why that number?
.

What do you mean by foreign born? And why would they need to assimilate into Irish society?
What do you mean by assimilate exactly?
And why 10%, any particular reasoning behind that number?

Timberrrrrrrr

biko wrote: »

We all want the same thing - a well regulated immigration. We just don't agree on the numbers.

My number, for instance, is that max 10% of people in Ireland to be foreign-born.
This gives time for new arrivals to assimilate into Irish society and everyone to get used to one another.
What is your number and why that number?

I also think we should have a referendum on immigration. It's too important and has too much of an impact to be left to FF/FG and the others to do as they please.
Do you think a referendum would a fair thing to do?




I'm not sure how this has anything to do with a terrorist killing a French police assistant but as Jamel is dead we may as well keep chatting.

What's the number at the moment and what's the breakdown of nationalities?

biko

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

What's the number at the moment and what's the breakdown of nationalities?

What's your number?
Do you have one?

Or perhaps it's open borders for you?