Are Mick Wallace and Clare Daly Irelands greatest shame?

pixelburp

We take a different view on who the aggressor is.

Bully for you, Ukrainians might take a different view as they shelter from the daily drone strikes. By all means tell some refugees that Well Actually, the West is at fault.

Tedious how some would rob Ukraine of its self-determination, all because of a waffling self loathing that oooh, America Bad.

Sure why would Ukraine ever want to pivot towards the world's richest, most peaceful and equal trading bloc, while ignore its former ruler? Makes no sense at all. Oh. Must be NATO interference. How brave of Daly to criticise Ukraine for daring to join her decadent EU Parliament. If she's still there if Ukraine ever join , those first meets will be awkward.

Podge_irl

Unconditional peace means giving Russia everything they want 🙄

By your logic the US should just be allowed control the entire world.

(I will say, blaming the Russian invasion on Napoleon is a novel twist)

Hermy

If you really want unconditional peace why not start by pointing the finger at the aggressor?

That's Russia by the way.

The war began with their invasion of Ukraine and it will end the moment they cease this disgusting and wholly unnecessary conflict.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120251108#Comment_120251108

Well Wallace owns advises 3 wine bars in Dublin so he can't leave

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120256515#Comment_120256515

Because short of ... I dunno, cannibalism or infanticide, there are some who'd twist into knots trying to frame Russia as mere accessories to larger NATO offences. Lip service offered at best about abstract Russian aggression but if you look, really squint, it's actually NATO murdering people in Bucha, really the American's fault Russia tried to freeze people to death with terrorist attack on infrastructure, really our collective fault Ukraine has the temerity to defend itself. It's risible.

TheRepentent

Ah so this is where the putin apologists hang out after getting banned from the Ukraine thread🙄

Guess Moscow Mick wished he lived in Russia as he would get away with his corruption there.

Brussels Sprout

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120256075#Comment_120256075

Imagine you live in a semi-detached house. Now imagine that your larger, aggressive, next-door neighbour, knocks a couple of holes in the wall, enters your property and lays claim to three of your rooms. Oh and in the process of doing so he sexually assaults your partner. You fight back, using a baseball bat that a friend gives you and you manage to give him a bloody nose and get one of your rooms back but are quickly exhausted by your efforts. You are now in a stalemate but he still occupies two of your rooms and your partner is traumatized.

Now imagine that a politician shows up. Initially they make a short, passionless statement criticising the actions of your neighbour for annexing your property (they don't mention the sexual assault). They then furiously round on your friend who gave you the baseball bat. They scream and roar at them for 10 minutes excoriating them for their decision. Next they lay into you, heavily implying that you must have been the cause of this whole episode to begin with. Finally they say that they won't support any punishment of your neigbour and that you'll have to come to your own arrangement them on how to settle the issue of the rooms but that you shouldn't try to take them back by force because violence is never the answer.

That would be pretty messed up right? And yet, that's essentially what Daly & Wallace have been doing this whole time. It's gaslighting, plain and simple.

mikethecop

Mick Wallace on wine bar storm – ‘this is a distraction, give me a f***ing break’ - Independent.ie

caught again and again and again ,

Is there really not way of removing this crook and his "partner " from representing us in Europe

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120275649#Comment_120275649

There is: in that the next EU Elections people take them seriously; not this dismissive idea of it being a Gravy Train for failed TDs, or something to troll with celebrity wackos. A turnout in 2019 of 49.7% speaks for itself.

Bricriu

Mick Wallace tells us uncomfortable truths about how the west terrorises and commits atrocities in the Middle East and the East, and murders hundred of thousands on a regular basis.

That is why a lot of people hate him.

farmingquestion

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120275746#Comment_120275746

This is the truth.

Mick is just pointing a mirror at us.

The US go on about sovereignty and borders yet they've bombed how many countries at this stage?

But somehow when the US do it, it's "different".

The US don't spend so much on the military just for defence!

farmingquestion

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120275649#Comment_120275649

Do you support democracy or not?

Like it or not, he got the votes to be elected.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120275785#Comment_120275785

Do you think 49.7% turnout is a healthy representation of the Democratic process? IIRC in the UK it was even lower and under 40%.

Nody

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120275785#Comment_120275785

I'm sure Pixel does, based on who they tend to praise I'm not so sure about those two however...

Jinglejangle69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120275746#Comment_120275746

Quick look over there!!

Do you think the America’s Middle East policies gives justification for Putin and his merry band to bomb, rape, murder torture etc etc women and children in Ukraine???????

mikethecop

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120275746#Comment_120275746

maybe your right but on the other hand i don't like him because he is a fraudster a thief a liar and and criminal, also a paid propaganda mouthpiece for a number of the worlds worst despots.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120252008#Comment_120252008

If Russia invade the Left call for peace and end to NATO.

If Russia was invaded they would call for solidarity and an international brigade.

If the Red Army starts moving through Ukraine more quickly it'll be quite on the peace calls.

farmingquestion

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120275821#Comment_120275821

Choosing not to vote is democracy too. It's not like 50.3% of people were locked up on polling day.

Remember local elections happen on the same day AFAIR so am I allowed to ask how an elected councillor can and should be removed from their position because I don't like them?

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120275746#Comment_120275746

He doesn't. He creates simplistic narratives whereby the same basket of countries are always the villains of every situation.

I protested the Iraq war. People like Wallace are fanatics and Putin apologists who have no objectivity, all they do is echo the same cherry-picked historical excuses, reductionism and victimhood of dictatorships and tyrannical regimes the world over.

Brussels Sprout

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120275782#Comment_120275782

If Mick Wallace is going to hold a mirror up to anyone, it should be himself. That's not a jibe at the way he chooses to present himself. It's a jibe at a man who puts himself on a moral platform while there is clear evidence that his own morals are highly suspect - especially with regard to his personal finances and those of his companies, past and present.

Brussels Sprout

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120275746#Comment_120275746

No. It's not. People despise him because of the gargantuan blind-spot he has for various odious authoritarian regimes. That's not brave. That's being a hack.

Contrast him instead with someone like Bernie Sanders. He calls out tyranny regardless of what "side" they are on. He's been openly critical of American allies such as Israel and Saudi Arabia for their crimes whilst also calling out Russia, Iran Syria and China. Bernie Sanders actually has integrity. He stands for principles.

Mick Wallace hears a story and first thing he asks is "Who did that" so that he can position himself depending on that rather than the facts of the incident. That's not integrity. That's partisanship.

I respect Bernie Sanders. I despise Mick Wallace.

Economics101

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120275746#Comment_120275746

Putin's war of aggression is in a different league to anything done by the US. The 2nd Iraq war may have been a bad mistake, but it was done to depose a regime with a proven record of aggression and the use of chemical weapons. Current US involvement in Syria is an attempt to counter Islamic State and to protect Syrians who don't want to be ruled by Assad. And who supported Assad by bombing cities, hospitals and so forth? - Putin's Russia, that's who.

So enough of the whataboutery: no major power is without fault, but one in particular seems to have no redeeming features whatsoever.

antiskeptic

The issue is whether:

A big power posed a threat to another big power? The US advancing NATO to Russians borders was considered a threat by Russia. We only have to consider how the US would respond,where the roles reversed to obtain our answer. The answer is: You bet.

The question then is whether Russia has the right to defend herself in the event a neighbouring little power (Ukraine) is complicit in enabling the US to pose a threat to Russia. Again, the answer has to be, of course she has

Russia is a gang member cornered in an alleyway by 3 members of an opposing gang. Ought the lone gang member strike first if that offers advantage? Or ought they wait for the 3 to pounce.

I know what I'd do if I was the lone gang member. And I suggest that you'd be a deceased lone gang member if you figured differently!

antiskeptic

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120256075#Comment_120256075

"Keeps attacking who?

I think Clare and Mick see the West as the party who keeps attacking others - at least that's the objective demonstrable situation.

You ever see a map of US military bases? Like strings of pearls around the neck of Russia and China.

Seems only fair that they ought be allowed do the same thing. No?

Economics101

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120276185#Comment_120276185

This is total b*ll*x. NATO is already on Russia's borders in the form of the Baltic states, for one very simple reason - they fear for their lives. Poland is already on Russia's border (Kaliningrad). Why isn't Russia invading the Baltics and Poland? The reason is that Putin's ideology regards Ukraine as not a real country, just a part of Russia which has strayed, and whose existence as a successful liberal democracy would prove a lethal example for the Russian people.

What Ukraine, Poland the Baltics the Finns have in common is a desperate need to defend themselves against a big predatory neighbour. The idea that somehow the US is pushing NATO's expansion is absurd: the push comes from those who are in mortal danger.

McFly85

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120276203#Comment_120276203

Are the US invading other countries surrounding Russia and China and putting up military bases? Because if not then it’s not the same thing at all.

The amount of truth stretching by some to justify a country invading and attacking another sovereign nation is astonishing.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120276185#Comment_120276185

Hitler used the same excuse, that Germany was being "surrounded". The reality of course was that countries were creating a defensive pact because they directly feared an attack from Hitler's Germany, which was his real agenda, and precisely what occurred.

Putin (and useful idiots like Wallace) use that type of rhetoric to portray Russia as a victim. The reality of course is the opposite.

realdanbreen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120275746#Comment_120275746

Mick Wallace is also the guy who (through his company) pocketed the pension contributions his employees made,how funking low is that btw. Mick Wallace is the guy who's company was folded( while he lived it up ) owing hundreds of thousands of euros to small businesses many of which had to close.mick Wallaces rantings are regularly shown on Russian media in an effort to bolster the Russian atrocities in Ukraine. Mick Wallace is at best a hypocrite.

antiskeptic

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120276249#Comment_120276249

In 2008, then ambassador to Russia, now head of the CIA, William Burns wrote a memo. It was entitles "Nyet means Nyet"

A Nato move for Ukraine, he said, represented a red line for Russia. This after constant encroachment towards Russia by Nato following the breaking of a US promise to Gorbachov not to move so much as an inch eastwards.

White man still speak with forked tongue.

Russia gave no one reason to fear for their lives in the East. Sure, they swatted Georgia when Nato threatened entry via that channel bit hey, let's remember Cuba, huh?

And you think Nato advanced eastwards because they gave a flying fart about protecting impoverished little nothing countries in the East. Latvia? Estonia? Romania?

The objective reality is that the US wouldn't dream of letting a south American country (and there are many who have OBJECTIVE, DEMONSTRABLE reasons to fear the US) place Russian missiles on their soil. Have their armies trained and equipped to a standard that could go toe to toe with the US army.

No. Way.

And since no great power is going to let another advance as it likes, Nato knew that it's (your words) "desire to protect some little countries" from no discernible threat was going to bring it toe to toe with Russia.

And here we are. With Nato scrabbling around to find ammo for goodness sake.

You can hardly expect Russia to have sucked it up. I certainly don't. And so, whilst no great fan of Putin, I hope Nato gets shown the door.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120276514#Comment_120276514

If Ukraine had joined NATO this war wouldn't be happening.

No one wants to invade nuclear armed Russia. No one.