Social media sexualization of western women

Tacitus Kilgore

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

:pac: so in short "it's bad cos it's a woman" let alone the likes of DMX rapping about gay bashing etc - Im guessing your response above is the equivilent of - 'oh no, boys are smarter than girls - they wouldn't latch on to that stuff'. Can you not see the gymnastics you're applying here?

No it’s bad because it’s a woman that’s praised by other women and put forward as a role model.

And what’re you on about, I’ll thank you not to put words in my mouth please - DMX was never viewed as a role model, not to mention he had his heyday in the 90s.

You won’t find to many mainstream rappers with popular appeal singing about gay bashing.

Tacitus Kilgore

Batrachotox wrote: »

No it’s bad because it’s a woman that’s praised by other women and put forward as role model.

And what’re you on about, I’ll thank you not to put words in my mouth please - DMX was never viewed as a role model, not to mention he had his heyday in the 90s.

You won’t find to many mainstream rappers with popular appeal singing about gay bashing.

So only what you decide applies to the conversation applies? Similar to your views around women's sexuality I guess, makes sense.

jam_mac_jam

I don't want to be arguing in favour of a Victorian sensibility here but I don't think a bit of shame or respectability is necessarily the worst thing in thee world.

How far do we go in the complete toleration of everything and anything. Don't get me wrong I don't give a **** what people do in private but the complete pornafication of everything is a bit much. All the time.

I was buying exercise stuff about a week ago. Every second picture of women had their arses hanging out or in very suggestive pictures. Why do I have to see so many arses all the time. I am just trying to buy some fitness bands.

KeepItLight

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

I'd just call it a prudish view, but then again - I don't see sex or sexuality as a bad or dirty thing.

Of course sex and sexuality aren't a bad thing, don't try and put words in my mouth. We are talking about oversexualisation, porn, and pornographic elements in music and culture.

mohawk

Supposedly current generation of teenagers are having less sex and they are losing their virginity later than previous generations. Is it any wonder when you look at porn. If what passes for mainstream porn nowadays was my first impression of sex I probably would of taken my time becoming sexually active.

The other thing about this current generation of teenagers which is very worrying is that they have higher levels of anxiety and depression then any other generation before them. They compare themselves to what they see online. Us adults know online is a very airbrushed version of life. Where usually only the good bits are highlighted. So many teenagers are using getting likes as a form of validation. Many girls (not all but many) are posing provocatively online because they don’t have much self esteem. They do it hoping that if some guy likes it she will feel better about herself.

I wouldn’t want my son taking advantage of a girls lack of self worth by contributing to her Only Fans. If I had a daughter I wouldn’t want that life for her.

Tacitus Kilgore

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

So only what you decide applies to the conversation applies? Similar to your views around women's sexuality I guess, makes sense.

What does that even mean?

Am I supposed to let you make up things for me to say so you can argue against things I never said (except for in your head)?

Overheal

biko wrote: »

Sure, I read elsewhere on this site someone wanted to give up their career in nursing because their onlyfans was paying so well.

As long as men are paying you will get women selling.
I don't agree with it but it's really not up to me.

That’s even less surprising factoring the burnout rate of healthcare workers now because of the pandemic.

joseywhales

Overheal wrote: »

That’s even less surprising factoring the burnout rate of healthcare workers now because of the pandemic.

In terms of long term prospects and fulfillment though, you'd imagine nursing can offer emotional reward and career progression but more importantly long term security. The one thing it might be missing is satisfying curiosity after a decade or so, I don't like this glass ceiling hierarchy for nursing. How does "onlyfans" satisfy these important needs?

People have their own agency but you would question if they have the maturity to understand the decisions they are making and how it will affect them in 10,20,30,40 years.

Leg End Reject

Nurses get the public sector pension too, crazy decision if she went ahead with it.

mariaalice

The internet has both freed and enslaved people at the same time.

nullzero

KeepItLight wrote: »

Porn is extremely destructive, and the powers that be know it.

When the Israelis capture Palestinian territory, do you know what one of the first things they do is? They capture the TV stations and broadcast porn to the residents.

Time was the Israelis were content to salt the Palestinian earth, those were the days.

Mic 1972

Women overtly serialization is considered a form of female empowerment when it's the woman doing it

starkid

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

I completely blame the internet and smart phones.

You can't blame men for liking sexualised women they are men ffs. You can't blame young women for wanting or reacting to attention. They are young women, its nice to be told you are gorgeous. All normal, natural.

What is not normal is the constant need for validation and constant subjection to sexualised images that social media provides.

Its happening younger and younger. There is huge focus on appearance due to taking photos all the time.

We are going a very dark road. And I honestly feel sorry for anyone born after about 2000 who have grown up totally surrounded by it.

Yeah this sums it up really. And people will shout prude etc etc. Its not really about sexuality its about vaildation, mental health and exploitation. It really is a dark road we're heading down. And for people in the age bracket of 35-late 40s its something that is so clearly linear. How many of us were looking at some german porn rag , a load of people crowding around looking. and then living through the early days of the internet. I say this as a father of a 12 year old with mental health issues and knowing many of her friends have as well. We can only hope its just a small part of growing up now and people will grow out of it. But take the recent stats about youth unemplouyment. Alot of the reality there was about young people not wanting to work. They saw easier money elsewhere. Be it drugs, onlyfans or aspiring to be inflencers etc. Obviously not all but its so very clearly a trend.

purifol0

Folks society isn't becoming hyper sexualized - it already is.

Social media just enabled women/girls to flaunt what they've got (or are literally just getting) to an almost unlimited audience without needing to go through a "talent agent".

starkid

joe40 wrote: »

I don't know about Tik tok or instagram, I have zero interaction with those platforms. In some ways though the overt sexualisation in mainstream media is less now in my opinion. In the 90s the lads mags were the whole rage prominantly displayed in shops for all to see, not just the people looking it up.

Take for example Game of Thrones great show I loved it, but in the early seasons virtually every lead female did a nude scene, and there was a lot of gratutious sex and nudity. I don't think that would happen nowadays, only 10 years later.

I'm not a prude, if you want to access porn go for it. Anything involving consenting adults is fine by me but I'm happy enough there is less on mainstream media.

Yeah i'd say you're right. I think this is due to the fact the days of blokes, particularly powerful blokes objectifying women are rightly over. And thats then being funneled into social media but the social media has given some of the choice back and empowerment back. Nd it has no gatekeepers. Its a real clash of culture there. The onus is on the social media companies exploiting many young and vulnerable people who only see quick bucks and validation. The same argument applies for all the mindfulness gurus and mental health people talking through their holes.

take everything

starkid wrote: »

I think its fair to say our society is becoming hyper sexualised. I have a 12 year old daughter and her class mates are plagued by mental health issues etc.

Yeah womens choice etc etc, but the onlyfans thing and insta huns are a plague on our society. As are the men like dan bilzerian and fitness infliuencers peddaling bull****.

Its toxic and we're going to have to accept it needs changing. Its been a slow burner and magazines etc have pushed this for years. Its going to only get worse and we're sleep walking into massive problems under the pretence of choice and individualization as well as a society fueled by entitlement.

We've all seen the squats at the gym insta models. Yep its for the fitness. Who the **** are you kidding...blokes like Lipsett etc pushing an idiolized version of life. AS adults we can ignore this, but kids are getting access now across the board.

Fair enough people can say its about money. It is and its choice, and i don't blame the individuals, i blame the platforms. but theres real damage being done to people. The stats back up the mental health plague our society is facing.

I love women, sex is great. But mass adoption of porn like tendencies/casualisation of sex etc isn't.


at its core its not a sex problem, its a mental health problem. I say this to a mate in work who's Danish and he laughs it off as he sees it as prudish. I'm not talking about naked beer ads like you might get a bus stops in Denmark. This is a much deeper issue. Men and women being given platforms by huge media companies that don't have to abide by the normal rules. There's a reckoning coming probably quite soon. And its not just about the sex, its about all of it. The libel, bullying, racism etc. Look at the premier league blackout.

This guy gets it.
I'd say it's five or ten years before this "bubble", as it were bursts.

Mark Zuckerberg and his ilk want money and power. Social media will suck the marrow from the bone of female sexuality though before they're done.

And the empowered (read consumed) woman ends on a sexual scrap heap, to make way for a new cohort.

Not unlike rich and powerful men creating wars
for flagging economies where young men get used up.

In the meantime, it's all empowerment this, choice that for the consumed.

Ultimately unsustainable surely. I hope.
I do wonder when this bubble will burst.

JimmyVik

gw80 wrote: »

Yes lots of it,
But a few years ago you would not have heard this on a popular radio station in the middle of the day,
But apparently this is ok now,

Rock and roll was devil music once too

silverharp

there certainly has been an overshoot , I doubt any measure would say people are happier or more fulfilled then they were 20 years ago

Mad_maxx

KeepItLight wrote: »

Porn is extremely destructive, and the powers that be know it.

When the Israelis capture Palestinian territory, do you know what one of the first things they do is? They capture the TV stations and broadcast porn to the residents.

That sounds like something completely made up?

conorhal

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Or maybe you should realise that women are able to make their own decisions and don't need you to teach them what they should think based on what you think?

Ladies, beware any bloke who tries to convince you how 'empowering and liberating' it is for you to show them your tits...

nullzero

conorhal wrote: »

Ladies, beware any bloke who tries to convince you how 'empowering and liberating' it is for you to show them your tits...

This.

It encompasses what male feminists are all about really.

meeeeh

I think the threads about women's issues in this forum prove there are an awful lot of repressed frustrated men on boards.ie. it's tiring nonsense and I think some would do well stopping to blame women and foreigners for everything that has gone wrong I their own lives.

jill_valentine

JimmyVik wrote: »

Rock and roll was devil music once too

Indeed, and an enormous body of it is about some greasy old perv wanting to **** an underage girl or something not dissimilar. Quite a bit of which is probably on a lot of the above posters' playlists.

I don't think that reflects on the posters, but singling out rap when Aerosmith and Rolling Stones are still being wheeled out on main stages to sing anthems to schoolkids' arses is a bit rich.

jill_valentine

meeeeh wrote: »

I think the threads about women's issues in this forum prove there are an awful lot of repressed frustrated men on boards.ie. it's tiring nonsense and I think some would do well stopping to blame women and foreigners for everything that has gone wrong I their own lives.

I was just sitting here wondering if more than one woman had bothered commenting in the entire thread about what's best for us yet :pac:

JimmyVik

jill_valentine wrote: »

Indeed, and an enormous body of it is about some greasy old perv wanting to **** an underage girl or something not dissimilar. Quite a bit of which is probably on a lot of the above posters' playlists.

I don't think that reflects on the posters, but singling out rap when Aerosmith and Rolling Stones are still being wheeled out on main stages to sing anthems to schoolkids' arses is a bit rich.

Do you think you might be overthinking it

meeeeh

jill_valentine wrote: »

I was just sitting here wondering if more than one woman had bothered commenting in the entire thread about what's best for us yet :pac:

I mostly don't even bother reading because it's usual nonsense how the feminists are the root of all evil. If only we would get rid of them (and Muslims) our lives would be apparently perfect.

nullzero

meeeeh wrote: »

I think the threads about women's issues in this forum prove there are an awful lot of repressed frustrated men on boards.ie. it's tiring nonsense and I think some would do well stopping to blame women and foreigners for everything that has gone wrong I their own lives.

Do you feel that girls showing off their bodies on social media is a women's issue in the same way as for example the treatment of women in countries like Saudi Arabia?

Blokes shake their arses on social media as well, it's the same thing as women doing it only on a smaller scale because women aren't as stupid as men when it comes to handing money over to somebody for showing off their body to them.

JimmyVik

meeeeh wrote: »

I think the threads about women's issues in this forum prove there are an awful lot of repressed frustrated men on boards.ie. it's tiring nonsense and I think some would do well stopping to blame women and foreigners for everything that has gone wrong I their own lives.

Is it mens faults that young wans go on tiktok and the like?
Or would it be up to themselves to go on these sites and flaunt themselves?


Im not a fan myself, but I dont for one minute blame anyone but the person doing it. Its their decision. Actually I blame the parents if they are not adults.


There is too much sex on tv too these days. Why is there any need for sex scenes in movies and tv. I dont get it. Total waste of air time. If someone wants porn go to the internet and let everyone else just watch tv without it.

BorneTobyWilde

Time erodes morals and values, history shows this. Look at Miley Cyrus in 2013 MTV Music award

'' oh my god, oh the humanity''

'' shocking, should be banned''

'' she should never work again''

2013 , wearing hot pants.


Today, no one would bat an eyelid,

today you have every teenager who wants to be on onlyfans doing hardcore and sending it to everyone who will sub them. I expect in another 10 years it will be perfectly normal to wear but a string in public and no one will bat an eyelid.

jam_mac_jam

jill_valentine wrote: »

I was just sitting here wondering if more than one woman had bothered commenting in the entire thread about what's best for us yet :pac:

One anyway. I blamed the internet though.