Social media sexualization of western women

nullzero

meeeeh wrote: »

I mostly don't even bother reading

This explains a lot.

Why bother reading when you can pop in and claim the moral high ground without any good cause?

Tacitus Kilgore

JimmyVik wrote: »

Is it mens faults that young wans go on tiktok and the like?
Or would it be up to themselves to go on these sites and flaunt themselves?


Im not a fan myself, but I dont for one minute blame anyone but the person doing it. Its their decision. Actually I blame the parents if they are not adults.


There is too much sex on tv too these days. Why is there any need for sex scenes in movies and tv. I dont get it. Total waste of air time. If someone wants porn go to the internet and let everyone else just watch tv without it.

gw80

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

:pac: so in short "it's bad cos it's a woman" let alone the likes of DMX rapping about gay bashing etc - Im guessing your response above is the equivilent of - 'oh no, boys are smarter than girls - they wouldn't latch on to that stuff'. Can you not see the gymnastics you're applying here?



So are you saying the full explicit version of the song is played in the middle of the day, on radio? or is it a radio edit?

It's a radio edit alright but just barley,

Sardonicat

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Time erodes morals and values, history shows this. Look at Miley Cyrus in 2013 MTV Music award

'' oh my god, oh the humanity''

'' shocking, should be banned''

'' she should never work again''

2013 , wearing hot pants.


Today, no one would bat an eyelid,

today you have every teenager who wants to be on onlyfans doing hardcore and sending it to everyone who will sub them. I expect in another 10 years it will be perfectly normal to wear but a string in public and no one will bat an eyelid.

You know hot pants were around in the early 70s, don't you?

meeeeh

nullzero wrote: »

This explains a lot.

Why bother reading when you can pop in and claim the moral high ground without any good cause?

Because you stick 'women' in the title of the thread and there will be exactly the same posters including your good self living out their own frustrations in the thread. Knock yourself out but it's says more about you than the subject.

That is my good cause.

Bobblehats

gw80 wrote: »

Yes lots of it,
But a few years ago you would not have heard this on a popular radio station in the middle of the day,
But apparently this is ok now,

Nigga, suck my pussy for a porkchop (A porkchop)
Nigga, suck my pussy for a porkchop (A porkchop)
You got to suck my pussy, nigga, just don't *stop*
You got to eat this pussy while I make it *pop*

KeepItLight

Mad_maxx wrote: »

That sounds like something completely made up?

https://www.news24.com/News24/Porn-the-new-weapon-of-choice-20020330

https://www.smh.com.au/world/middle-east/porn-run-on-seized-tv-channels-say-residents-20020401-gdf5uw.html

a quick internet search is always a good idea before you mouth off on something you are clueless about

btw, not sure why this seems far-fetched to you, as far as evil acts that Israel has committed on Palestinians go, its far down the list. I mentioned it as its pertinent to the conversation

nullzero

meeeeh wrote: »

Because you stick 'women' in the title of the thread and there will be exactly the same posters including your good self living out their own frustrations in the thread. Knock yourself out but it's says more about you than the subject.

I disagree with the first part of your post, as usual I think you're going off on a crusade, but I digress.

As for what it says about me in relation to the topic I'm confused by that.

Here's a question for you. As a feminist, would you prefer to see a young woman in a professional field competing with men in say perhaps a traditionally male dominated industry, or would you prefer to see that same young woman shaking her arse on onlyfans being paid for he trouble by sleazy weirdos?

Which scenario describes progress for women in society?

Also, as an aside, would you engage in this type of behaviour? Shaking your arse on whatever platform paid by sickos to show off your body?

bb1234567

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Women have conned other women into selling their bodies for money. Many women who have not other qualities bar their aesthetics have re marketed selling flesh from a last resort into ‘empowering’

Social media is a horrific place now for women damaging other women.

Selling your body has always been wrong and will always be, we need to get back to teaching youbg girls that.

It is completely okay if they feel comfortable . Those online platforms gave them an opportunity to 'sell their bodies' in a way that is completely on their terms, comfortable, safe and controlled. So it's not really comparable to prostitution. It's really not up to you. Young girls are being taught they have choice, that's the only thing we should be teaching them, not trying to hammer our our subjective opinion on matters into them before they are mature enought o make up their mind.

You say they have no other qualities..because aesthetics aren't substantial enough to exploit as valid means of income in your opinion. What, would it be better they work on the tills or as janitors if they are that useless, because it's more like good clean hard work. I really have to wonder if people with these kind of stuffy opinions are just jealous of the easy income these womens have found for themselves. If I was a good looking young girl I'd be right with them raking it in on the side..

nullzero

bb1234567 wrote: »

It is completely okay if they feel comfortable . Those online platforms gave them an opportunity to 'sell their bodies' in a way that is completely on their terms, comfortable, safe and controlled. So it's not really comparable to prostitution. It's really not up to you. Young girls are being taught they have choice, that's the only thing we should be teaching them, not trying to hammer our our subjective opinion on matters into them before they are mature enought o make up their mind.

Surely we should be aiming higher than giving young girls the "choice" to sell their bodies?

jill_valentine

mohawk wrote: »

Supposedly current generation of teenagers are having less sex and they are losing their virginity later than previous generations. Is it any wonder when you look at porn. If what passes for mainstream porn nowadays was my first impression of sex I probably would of taken my time becoming sexually active.

Just to clarify, is the problem here that teenagers are too sexualised or that they're not having sex early enough

bb1234567

nullzero wrote: »

Surely we should be aiming higher than giving young girls the "choice" to sell their bodies?

They, should aim however high they want. Because it's their life. Do you think these women have not been told to aim higher. Do you think their TY councillors is telling them they're better off heading the way of Only Fans as they are clearly useless. Young women in ireland are always encouraged to go the way of higher education and traditional employment means. There's only so much that can be done after that without being over controlling, which I'm sure we could all agree would be counter productive and unhelpful. What you are in reality suggesting is that sex work should be heavily discouraged, that's your issue, because this alleged encouragement of young women to enter sex work is evidently not a widespread phenomena. Anyway, most of these Only fans jobs or whatever are as a parttime side job, I'd imagine it's a fairly tiny number of Irish women anyway . Mountain out of a molehill.

alchemist33

If women want to strip off for money of their own free will, and men want to pay them for it, let them at it. That's what consenting adults do. I used to think the new puritanism was coming from the left, where even having a sexual thought about women was considered wrong, but it seems I was wrong and it's coming from many places.

Leg End Reject

bb1234567 wrote: »

It is completely okay if they feel comfortable . Those online platforms gave them an opportunity to 'sell their bodies' in a way that is completely on their terms, comfortable, safe and controlled. So it's not really comparable to prostitution. It's really not up to you. Young girls are being taught they have choice, that's the only thing we should be teaching them, not trying to hammer our our subjective opinion on matters into them before they are mature enought o make up their mind.

You say they have no other qualities..because aesthetics aren't substantial enough to exploit as valid means of income in your opinion. What, would it be better they work on the tills or as janitors if they are that useless, because it's more like good clean hard work. I really have to wonder if people with these kind of stuffy opinions are just jealous of the easy income these womens have found for themselves. If I was a good looking young girl I'd be right with them raking it in on the side..

The content gets leaked to mainstream porn sites, so it's not contolled.

I'd hate if teenage pornographic content of me was still accessible at this stage of my life. Imagine going for an interview, being in contention and then the interview panel google you and sees clips of you masturbating and talking dirty to the camera, or having sex?

It certainly wouldn't empower me, and no, I'm not a prude or sexually repressed.

If others want to do it I hope they're fully aware of the potential for it to come back and haunt them. Maybe they won't care, and that's fair enough, but I'm sure some will live to regret it.

jill_valentine

nullzero wrote: »

Surely we should be aiming higher than giving young girls the "choice" to sell their bodies?

Everybody with a job chooses to sell their bodies every day. There isn't an inherent moral difference between having to burst yourself hunched over a till in Dunnes while a manager hurls abuse at you and people cough in your face vs having an OnlyFans. The latter's a bit less exploitative, I suppose.

Tacitus Kilgore

bb1234567 wrote: »

It is completely okay if they feel comfortable . Those online platforms gave them an opportunity to 'sell their bodies' in a way that is completely on their terms, comfortable, safe and controlled. So it's not really comparable to prostitution. It's really not up to you. Young girls are being taught they have choice, that's the only thing we should be teaching them, not trying to hammer our our subjective opinion on matters into them before they are mature enought o make up their mind.

You say they have no other qualities..because aesthetics aren't substantial enough to exploit as valid means of income in your opinion. What, would it be better they work on the tills or as janitors if they are that useless, because it's more like good clean hard work. I really have to wonder if people with these kind of stuffy opinions are just jealous of the easy income these womens have found for themselves. If I was a good looking young girl I'd be right with them raking it in on the side..

It's gas - If they work on the tills or as janitors, its quite likely that they would need some form of social welfare assistance, or possibly HAP, Don't tell the lads in here about that, their heads might explode.

The lads will tell you that these women should protect their modesty out of one side of their mouth, but will call them no good wasters out of the other side when they do.

Eric Cartman

Leg End Reject wrote: »

The content get leaked to mainstream porn sites, so it's not contolled.

I'd hate if teenage pornographic content of me was still accessible at this stage of my life. Imagine going for an interview, being in contention and then the interview panel google you and sees clips of you masterbating and talking dirty to the camera, or having sex?

It certainly wouldn't empower me, and no, I'm not a prude or sexually repressed.

Its not even that the interview panel needs to google, many recruitment companies use detective software / agencies that automatically finds the filth and bins cv’s.

Id have a very low opinion of people buying and selling this smut. Many a young womans future being ruined by this and influencers glorifying it are completely at fault.

Also never post anything on the internet you wouldnt be happy for your grandparents to see.

nullzero

bb1234567 wrote: »

They, should aim however high they want. Because it's their life. Do you think these women have not been told to aim higher. Do you think their TY councillors is telling them they're better off heading the way of Only Fans as they are clearly useless. Young women in ireland are always encouraged to go the way of higher education and traditional employment means. Anyway, most of these Only fans jobs or whatever are as a parttime side job, I'd imagine it's a fairly tiny number of Irish women anyway . Mountain out of a molehill.

My opinion of people paying others to take their clothes off online is that it's a complete waste of money.

The internet is awash with free nude imagery and always has been. I don't blame women for taking stupid peoples money, I simply feel it's a backwards step towards full gender equality. It states explicitly that women have more value as objects of desire than as professional people.

There was a story recently of a UK police officer who gave up her job in a traditionally male dominated field to pursue her onlyfans endeavours because she was making so much more money taking her clothes off. She was working in a demanding role that benefits society, now she's charging weirdos a heap of cash to show her body off.

This whole issue resides in a strange nexus, somewhere between "women can do anything men can do" and "women are no longer simply objects for male gratification" where the ability to make money from doing something sleazy makes it acceptable and a vehicle for female empowerment.

Tacitus Kilgore

nullzero wrote: »

My opinion of people paying others to take their clothes off online is that it's a complete waste of money.

The internet is awash with free nude imagery and always has been. I don't blame women for taking stupid peoples money, I simply feel it's a backwards step towards full gender equality. It states explicitly that women have more value as objects of desire than as professional people.

There was a story recently of a UK police officer who gave up her job in a traditionally male dominated field to pursue her onlyfans endeavours because she was making so much more money taking her clothes off. She was working in a demanding role that benefits society, now she's charging weirdos a heap of cash to show her body off.

This whole issue resides in a strange nexus, somewhere between "women can do anything men can do" and "women are no longer simply objects for male gratification" where the ability to make money from doing something sleazy makes it acceptable and a vehicle for female empowerment.

so the issue is that you don't like women making money from porn - as it can be got for free? they might as well make money from those weirdos - its how anyone makes money - find a market and sell to it

jam_mac_jam

jill_valentine wrote: »

Everybody with a job chooses to sell their bodies every day. There isn't an inherent moral difference between having to burst yourself hunched over a till in Dunnes while a manager hurls abuse at you and people cough in your face vs having an OnlyFans. The latter's a bit less exploitative, I suppose.

I have no moral judgement on women or men on only fans. If you can make money on it, its none of my business. Adults can do what they want.

I am concerned about the general sexuality in social media culture and pressure on girls and women to feel like they have to be a sex object. If you want to, fine again that's not up to me.

I just wonder about the long term consequences to the women who do it, mentally or because pictures are shared or whatever.

nullzero

jill_valentine wrote: »

Everybody with a job chooses to sell their bodies every day. There isn't an inherent moral difference between having to burst yourself hunched over a till in Dunnes while a manager hurls abuse at you and people cough in your face vs having an OnlyFans. The latter's a bit less exploitative, I suppose.

Everybody who works is selling their body?

That's a dreadful argument, as for the suppositions about retail employees, you could have put more effort in there as well.

You must be making a fair amount from your own onlyfans then I take it?

Tacitus Kilgore

nullzero wrote: »

Everybody who works is selling their body?

That's a dreadful argument, as for the suppositions about retail employees, you could have put more effort in there as well.

You must be making a fair amount from your own onlyfans then I take it?

they are what do you consider 'working' to be?

jill_valentine

alchemist33 wrote: »

I used to think the new puritanism was coming from the left, where even having a sexual thought about women was considered wrong, but it seems I was wrong and it's coming from many places.

Nah, there's been a very volatile anti porn thing going on in white supremacist circles for a while.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7bj9w/anti-porn-extremism-pornhub-traffickinghub-exodus-cry-ncose

The article mentions people on Gab talking about killing a Pornhub executive - the same guy's house was burned down this week in an arson. Will be interesting to see what arrests are made.

Tacitus Kilgore

jill_valentine wrote: »

Nah, there's been a very volatile anti porn thing going on in white supremacist circles for a while.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7bj9w/anti-porn-extremism-pornhub-traffickinghub-exodus-cry-ncose

The article mentions people on Gab talking about killing a Pornhub executive - the same guy's house was burned down this week in an arson. Will be interesting to see what arrests are made.

Makes sense, considering the usual faces in here

nullzero

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

so the issue is that you don't like women making money from porn - as it can be got for free? they might as well make money from those weirdos - its how anyone makes money - find a market and sell to it

I never said that.

I questioned the logic of men paying for something that is freely available.

But by all means accuse me of having a problem with women making money.

SnuggyBear

So bored of seeing women showing off their bodies. I'm numb to it all now. The amount of local girls I know who have onlyfans pages is crazy and I live in a small town.

bb1234567

nullzero wrote: »

My opinion of people paying others to take their clothes off online is that it's a complete waste of money.

The internet is awash with free nude imagery and always has been. I don't blame women for taking stupid peoples money, I simply feel it's a backwards step towards full gender equality. It states explicitly that women have more value as objects of desire than as professional people.

There was a story recently of a UK police officer who gave up her job in a traditionally male dominated field to pursue her onlyfans endeavours because she was making so much more money taking her clothes off. She was working in a demanding role that benefits society, now she's charging weirdos a heap of cash to show her body off.

This whole issue resides in a strange nexus, somewhere between "women can do anything men can do" and "women are no longer simply objects for male gratification" where the ability to make money from doing something sleazy makes it acceptable and a vehicle for female empowerment.

I get your point, but on the subject of gender worth, shouldn't the men paying for her services be equally on board with this new gender outlook and stop paying her the money. As her equal they should be looking for her to do better than this, and cut off her income and stop the problem at the source . Works both ways, don't blame her for getting while the going is good.

nullzero

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

they are what do you consider 'working' to be?

A lot of people are paid for their skills and knowledge.

You understand that concept I take it?

jill_valentine

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

I have no moral judgement on women or men on only fans. If you can make money on it, its none of my business. Adults can do what they want.

I am concerned about the general sexuality in social media culture and pressure on girls and women to feel like they have to be a sex object. If you want to, fine again that's not up to me.

I just wonder about the long term consequences to the women who do it, mentally or because pictures are shared or whatever.

I think there's an argument to be made there for sure. I don't think it's to be had on boards dot ie though, alas.

Tacitus Kilgore

nullzero wrote: »

My opinion of people paying others to take their clothes off online is that it's a complete waste of money.

The internet is awash with free nude imagery and always has been. I don't blame women for taking stupid peoples money, I simply feel it's a backwards step towards full gender equality. It states explicitly that women have more value as objects of desire than as professional people.

There was a story recently of a UK police officer who gave up her job in a traditionally male dominated field to pursue her onlyfans endeavours because she was making so much more money taking her clothes off. She was working in a demanding role that benefits society, now she's charging weirdos a heap of cash to show her body off.

This whole issue resides in a strange nexus, somewhere between "women can do anything men can do" and "women are no longer simply objects for male gratification" where the ability to make money from doing something sleazy makes it acceptable and a vehicle for female empowerment.

nullzero wrote: »

I never said that.

I questioned the logic of men paying for something that is freely available.

But by all means accuse me of having a problem with women making money.

I suppose not, but you decided it's sleazy, not exactly an endorsement.