Arlene, Edwin, her replacement and his replacement as leader of the DUP

Larbre34

Dempo1 wrote: »

Would it be a stretch to say the British Government may use this latest nonsense to get out?

This very thought has been nibbling away at the back of my mind for about 2 years. Its positively chomping now.

Although, as much as I crave a unified 32 county Republic with its national Parliament in Dublin, a disorderly forced unification would be catastrophic for the whole island.

human 19

Dempo1 wrote: »

Would it be a stretch to say the British Government may use this latest nonsense to get out? Its been abundantly clear they've had enough and for quite some time and despite Boris"s proclamations on maintaining a strong Union, I don't think he gives a Toss. Brexit is all that matters to him and I reckon he'd pull the plug on propping up this basket case of a province in a heart beat.

I would say no, simply because it would hugely increase the calls for , and chance of, Scottish independence. If not for that I would say Boris would be glad to be rid of the problem and the wasted money.

FrancieBrady

Regina getting her nose rubbed in it there. 'Where was the Irish government last night?'

All she could do was turn away and laugh, knowing she was caught.

Dempo1

human 19 wrote: »

I would say no, simply because it would hugely increase the calls for , and chance of, Scottish independence. If not for that I would say Boris would be glad to be rid of the problem and the wasted money.

Never thought about that, fair point

breezy1985

Larbre34 wrote: »

"Computer, recognise Edwin Poots, Party Leader. Request security access.
Destruct sequence 1, code 1-1A."

"Computer, this is Paul Givan, Acting First Minister.
Destruct sequence 2, code 1-1A-2B."

"Computer, this is the Lord Morrow, Party Chair.
Destruct sequence 3, code 1B-2B-3."

Computer Audio Response *DUP destruct sequence completed and engaged. Awaiting final code for one-minute countdown.*

Poots: "Code zero zero zero. Destruct. Zero."

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one

human 19

Larbre34 wrote: »

This very thought has been nibbling away at the back of my mind for about 2 years. Its positively chomping now.

Although, as much as I crave a unified 32 county Republic with its national Parliament in Dublin, a disorderly forced unification would be catastrophic for the whole island.

but it wouldn't be forced. It would be democratic. If planned well enough in advance, I would envision a lot of dosh from the EU & US to cover the transition from the subvention the UK currently pays to keep them afloat.

ArthurDayne

downcow wrote: »

Don’t often agree with jim but that is a fair analysis. Only I would say most unionists are very supportive of people learning and enjoying Irish. It’s just when it’s pushed in our faces that it’s a problem.

What do you mean by “pushed in your face”?

Tyrone212

downcow wrote: »

Don’t often agree with jim but that is a fair analysis. Only I would say most unionists are very supportive of people learning and enjoying Irish. It’s just when it’s pushed in our faces that it’s a problem.

Get a grip will you. The orange order is a bigoted shiit show. It bans Catholics from joining. It bans protestants who are married to Catholics from joining. It hates all things Irish. You can't compare that to the indigenous language of this island which doesn't discriminate against anyone as its just a language.

Unionists would be much better served putting their efforts in to helping Unionist communities who are at the bottom of the table when it comes to exam results and University attendance than worrying about a sign post on the side of the road.

Let's be Frank here the reason why they're so against it is because they feel the tide turning from the glory days. London doesn't want them and they don't have a majority in the North anymore.

human 19

briany wrote: »

So, the DUP are forcing Poots out due to his move to nominate a First Minister and return Stormont to normal operation? I'd have thought the DUP would have been chomping at the bit to get Stormont back up and running, considering that Westminster is threatening to impose local laws the DUP would rather block.

At least the Monster Raving Looney Party have an M.O. to be comical.

and more importantly, that the DUP could well end up as the 3rd party behind the Alliance in a new election , with SF as the main party.

briany

downcow wrote: »

Don’t often agree with jim but that is a fair analysis. Only I would say most unionists are very supportive of people learning and enjoying Irish. It’s just when it’s pushed in our faces that it’s a problem.

Having legal status within the country of NI and provisions for its use does not equal being Irish pushed in your face.

Larbre34

human 19 wrote: »

but it wouldn't be forced. It would be democratic. If planned well enough in advance, I would envision a lot of dosh from the EU & US to cover the transition from the subvention the UK currently pays to keep them afloat.

Well isn't that the point, if the Brits chose to bale out in order to shore up and complete Brexit on the island of Britain, it wouldn't be planned in advance or particularly democratic.

realdanbreen

downcow wrote: »

Don’t often agree with jim but that is a fair analysis. Only I would say most unionists are very supportive of people learning and enjoying Irish. It’s just when it’s pushed in our faces that it’s a problem.

So you thought you were going to be forced t to learn/ speak Irish!. Bottom line is that Dup cannot countenance anything that comes near treating Nationalists as equals. They are a shameful lot but thankfully they are getting payback from the tories for holding Mays government to ransom.

Kermit.de.frog

https://twitter.com/NewtonEmerson/status/1405482948569317384

I giggled

VinLieger

I can't stop refreshing everything, the car crash is too good to look away

realdanbreen

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Regina getting her nose rubbed in it there. 'Where was the Irish government last night?'

All she could do was turn away and laugh, knowing she was caught.

Ffs, you're as obsessive about fg as eoghan harris is about the old ira !

Roadtoad

Every decision the London government makes about NI will be analysed through a 'Scottish prism', so that no dangerous precedent is set. They care not one whit about NI, but do not want to lose the real union.

Jizique

human 19 wrote: »

but it wouldn't be forced. It would be democratic. If planned well enough in advance, I would envision a lot of dosh from the EU & US to cover the transition from the subvention the UK currently pays to keep them afloat.

What did they expect; Rees Mogg a catholic with loads of kids and Johnson after getting hitched in the Catholic cathedral

breezy1985

Jizique wrote: »

What did they expect; Rees Mogg a catholic with loads of kids and Johnson after getting hitched in the Catholic cathedral

Home rule is Rome rule.

briany

Larbre34 wrote: »

Well isn't that the point, if the Brits chose to bale out in order to shore up and complete Brexit on the island of Britain, it wouldn't be planned in advance or particularly democratic.

This wouldn't happen, so it's not really worth even really considering. It's not some occupied territory such as you'd find in wartime. I know some barstoolers can refer to it that way, but that's certainly not the reality of international law. NI having a border poll is one thing, but no way is the UK government is going to move to remove a part of its territory without such a referendum being held.

McMurphy

breezy1985

briany wrote: »

This wouldn't happen, so it's not really worth even really considering. It's not some occupied territory such as you'd find in wartime. I know some barstoolers can refer to it that way, but that's certainly not the reality of international law. NI having a border poll is one thing, but no way is the UK government is going to move to remove a part of its territory without such a referendum being held.

Well Maggie was going to hand over Malvinas until the last minute when the unturnable lady turned.

Don't forget Churchill was ready to sell NI in exchange for neutrality too

Feisar

briany wrote: »

This wouldn't happen, so it's not really worth even really considering. It's not some occupied territory such as you'd find in wartime. I know some barstoolers can refer to it that way, but that's certainly not the reality of international law. NI having a border poll is one thing, but no way is the UK government is going to move to remove a part of its territory without such a referendum being held.

Just academically though, what’s to stop them? Like if Ireland decided to evict Galway for example? Can a country be forced internationally to maintain territory? A bit out there I know.

Pherekydes

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

What Sinatra tune will poots sing at his press conference? I'm going with My Way (and now, the end is near...), Something Stupid or There May be Trouble Ahead

You Only Live Twice.

:pac:

Fann Linn

Poots gone according to Twitter media reports just now.

L1011

Fann Linn wrote: »

Poots gone according to Twitter media reports just now.

Info is two hours old there, hence the huge flurry of activity on this thread.

1percent

breezy1985 wrote: »

Home office rule is Rome rule.

FYP

breezy1985

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

What Sinatra tune will poots sing at his press conference? I'm going with My Way (and now, the end is near...), Something Stupid or There May be Trouble Ahead

"Like painted kites, those days and nights they went flyin' by
The world was new beneath a blue umbrella sky
Then softer than a piper man, one day it called to you
I lost you, I lost you to the summer wind"

CaoimhinCong

Cheerio cheerio cheeriooooo
Cheerio cheerio cheeriooooo

We've never been closer to a U.I now

CaoimhinCong

CaoimhinCong wrote: »

Cheerio cheerio cheeriooooo
Cheerio cheerio cheeriooooo

We've never been closer to a U.I now

I’d see all this as you being as far as ever from joining the states. Loyalism isn’t going away just because their main party is currently a mess. The fact there’s this much belligerence in them to go to these lengths shows how far off it really is.

ShagNastii

It’s destined to kick off in the North.

What else do the loyalists have left? They’ve even started overtly acknowledging they don’t trust anyone in Westminster.

The UK have left the EU and the second Brexit was signed left NI.