Arlene, Edwin, her replacement and his replacement as leader of the DUP

17larsson

Having the DUP in the Dail will be a heavy price for having a United Ireland

briany

17larsson wrote: »

Having the DUP in the Dail will be a heavy price for having a United Ireland

Wouldn't be that bad. They probably wouldn't take their seats.

McMurphy

17larsson wrote: »

Having the DUP in the Dail will be a heavy price for having a United Ireland

Who is to say we'd have a Dail in a united Ireland?

gormdubhgorm

CDarby wrote: »

We live in a state that has been governed by one of two party's since the states formation, while constantly being told one of those two party's were in some way different to the other, only to see.them finally come together and admit there's not a blind bit of difference in either or, for no other reason than they refuse to let go of power.

We are in no way for to point and laugh at those in the north, at least up there one side of the political divide was constantly trying to undermine, demean, and deny the other civil rights and liberties.

You or I have no moral high ground in that regard.

People who do not try and justify murder and mayhem with the mix of pantomime and bluff have a right to laugh at NI a lot is self inflicted. Plenty of times I have seen a former UVF 'mon' or former IRA 'mon' on telly say if they were born a few miles the other way in another estate they would be fighting on the other side. They are just born into it brainwashed. You see it on boards the use of odd terminology of a bygone age. The same game played. There is an odd grudging respect between hardline NI unionists and hardline NI republicans. They understand each other far more than those who they claim to want to stay belonging to (UK) or those they wish to be part of (ROI).

The real truth is many on th UK 'mainland' do not want NI nor know anything much about it, most had no clue who the DUP or Arelene was. Plus many in the ROI would be happy enough if NI did not bring their pantomime down south until they 'catch themselves on'. Most in the ROI are not pushed about a UI. I always feel in vox pops people say oh it would be nice if it happened....but. Most seem ambivalent or come up with things they should say based of a vague idea of history.

I often think that NI should be a semi autonomous area like Andorra was between French and Spanish governance neither in one jurisdiction or the other but a dual protectorate. They could rename the New State 'The situation' because if I have learned anything about both those extremes in NI they all adore and appreciate a good 'situation'. Best said in a Northern accent with a pursed top stiff lip and word must be mumbled/spat out to give full effect and reverence.

In my opinion those in NI deserve neither a Republic nor a UK. But one thing is for sure, they deserve each other - same playing with words just slightly different melodies and guitar colours.
Most people with any sense got the hell out decades ago.

As regards the DUP will the party change and soften over time, will SF soften as a consequence?

Or will the electorate still play the numbers game and not risk a vote for the middle grounds?

Capt'n Midnight

L1011 wrote: »

They're confirmed.

Unless Givan resigns there isn't really a way to remove him as far as I know.

AFAIK he's there until the next election unless Michelle resigns and let's the DUP off the hook.

If he resigns there's (3 weeks ?) to elect replacements and with all the defections and backstabbing who can be sure who'd replace him.

FrancieBrady

17larsson wrote: »

Having the DUP in the Dail will be a heavy price for having a United Ireland

Why?

What is the peculiar fear among some about this? They are just another political party. In a democracy that is nothing to fear.

gormdubhgorm

17larsson wrote: »

Having the DUP in the Dail will be a heavy price for having a United Ireland

Why would they use up a load of Dail printer ink as well, as their NI counterparts did nearly a decade ago?

https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-20185694.html

Strazdas

McMurphy wrote: »

Who is to say we'd have a Dail in a united Ireland?

Or they could go for a two parliament solution - Dáil and the Assembly are both retained.

jimmycrackcorm

17larsson wrote: »

Having the DUP in the Dail will be a heavy price for having a United Ireland

We would get the 12th off as an additional public holiday...

jimmycrackcorm

https://twitter.com/vincentbrowne/status/1405542582432632840?s=20

BonnieSituation

realdanbreen wrote: »

Simply not true.

We have absolutely no evidence of that as NI has never been free of Britains influence . Most people nowadays , apart from those whose minds and often bodies, are entrenched in ghettos, do not give two hoots about republicanis/unionism , they just want a decent and fair quality of life. apart from the aforementioned diehards, most have also grown weary of all the religious nonsense.

Are these the same people who want an independent NI?

realdanbreen

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The View is priceless.
A supposedly partisan journalist (Ben Lowry) attacking SF and presumably all the other parties who backed this legislation, with Unionist politicians there and not another representative of nationalism nor the Alliance.

Fecking hell, talk about circling wagons.

Ben Lowry made a complete fool of himself last night across several channels.
He just about stopped short of declaring his hatred of fenians and taigs !

realdanbreen

17larsson wrote: »

Having the DUP in the Dail will be a heavy price for having a United Ireland

Mattie McGrath and the Healy-Raes would bamboozle them!

realdanbreen

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Why would they use up a load of Dail printer ink as well, as their NI counterparts did nearly a decade ago?

https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-20185694.html

FFS! Don't mention the dail printer, do you want to get us all sacked.

Is mise....

BluePlanet

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

https://twitter.com/vincentbrowne/status/1405542582432632840?s=20

Missing another point i see Vincent.

A recent precedent was set with the same sex rights in NI over the heads of unionists.
Now we see a British PM threatening to impose language legislation over their heads as well.
It means the unionists are loosing, and loosing in their home court - the British government - the guarantors of unionism.

That is the stuff he should be writing about.

Bobeagleburger

What's the issue with the Irish language act for the DUP?

They cant handle anything being given to nationalists. It's pathetic tbh. When you add their opposition to the LGBT community it's bigotry plain and simple.

Caveman politics tbh.

BluePlanet

There's another narrative in this that Vincent Browne fails to notice.

Borris is using the threat of imposing Irish language legislation over the objections of unionists - as ammunition in their argument with the EU (and US) that THEY are the ones vigorously defending the GFA, and it is the EU that is undermining it with the Irish Protocol.
That is the bigger battle he is waging here.

FrancieBrady

BluePlanet wrote: »

Missing another point i see Vincent.

A recent precedent was set with the same sex rights in NI over the heads of unionists.
Now we see a British PM threatening to impose language legislation over their heads as well.
It means the unionists are loosing, and loosing in their home court - the British government - the guarantors of unionism.

That is the stuff he should be writing about.

No lose situation for the Shinners.
Force the British to live up to their commitment to the GFA. If they do...win for rights seekers, if they don't...win for those advocating for a UI/Border poll.

As political party leaders SF knocked the ball out of the park on this one whether you agree with their politics or not. The SDLP meltdown over this is less visible but almost as enjoyable.

VinLieger

FrancieBrady wrote: »

No lose situation for the Shinners.
Force the British to live up to their commitment to the GFA. If they do...win for rights seekers, if they don't...win for those advocating for a UI/Border poll.

As political party leaders SF knocked the ball out of the park on this one whether you agree with their politics or not. The SDLP meltdown over this is less visible but almost as enjoyable.

Ohh absolutely, I hate SF but they have played an absolute blinder since the Brexit vote. They were savy enough to realize the DUP kept backing themselves into a smaller and smaller corner while pointing a gun at themselves. SF have literally been able to just stand aside and watch with their arms folded while their wildest dreams have come true.

NIMAN

Poots got us the Irish Language Act sorted in 3 weeks.

Maybe the new leader will get us the UI by year end?

realdanbreen

Fionn1952 wrote: »

Sammy is more sly than you'd think. No chance he takes that poison chalice.

I disagree.
I think Sammy :mad:could last even up to 40 days as leader!

briany

If you're the DUP, you'd do well to follow the old adage : when you're in a hole, stop digging. The party has found itself outflanked by SF for a number of years and this has put it on a path towards total political disaster. The solution to that (for them) cannot be to elect a series of increasingly stubborn, reactionary and red-faced men.

Fionn1952

briany wrote: »

If you're the DUP, you'd do well to follow the old adage : when you're in a hole, stop digging. The party has found itself outflanked by SF for a number of years and this has put it on a path towards total political disaster. The solution to that (for them) cannot be to elect a series of increasingly stubborn, reactionary and red-faced men.

I suspect that they'll revert to the tried and tested strategy of, 'dig up, stupid'...

circadian

NIMAN wrote: »

Poots got us the Irish Language Act sorted in 3 weeks.

Maybe the new leader will get us the UI by year end?

Arlene done a great job on the groundwork in fairness to her.

FrancieBrady

Good to see that Regina Doherty is trending after that disgraceful performance last night.

https://mobile.twitter.com/search?q=%22Regina%20Doherty%22&src=trend_click&vertical=trends

realdanbreen

circadian wrote: »

Arlene done a great job on the groundwork in fairness to her.

There's a horse called "Burnt Ash" going in the 3.30 Down Royal today.
Arlene will surely have a few pounds on it!

NIMAN

If we were all honest, 99% of the population, North and South, have no interest in speaking the Irish language.
To bring down a government and stop proper politics in the North all because of the Irish language is sad.

But its the principle that the Unionists are so anti-anything Irish that is the problem.

BluePlanet

NIMAN wrote: »

If we were all honest, 99% of the population, North and South, have no interest in speaking the Irish language.
To bring down a government and stop proper politics in the North all because of the Irish language is sad.

But its the principle that the Unionists are so anti-anything Irish that is the problem.

Not sure why that's sad.
But what is sad is that it would take what, 20 years to bring legislation that was part of an international agreement?

FrancieBrady

NIMAN wrote: »

If we were all honest, 99% of the population, North and South, have no interest in speaking the Irish language.
To bring down a government and stop proper politics in the North all because of the Irish language is sad.

But its the principle that the Unionists are so anti-anything Irish that is the problem.

There is more to it than speaking the language. You cannot preserve the wealth of our culture if you discard, or allow the language to die out. An 'Act' gives Irish language activists the platform to promote and preserve the culture not just the physical language. It's as simple as that and why languages are protected around the world in this statutory way.

Beasty

Thread title updated.....

(This may not be the final one:pac:)