Arlene, Edwin, her replacement and his replacement as leader of the DUP

athlone573

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Brazilians do love an ould parade. Unionists just object to the dress sense of the ladies.

Rihanna is Barbadian though

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-21503200

cameramonkey

athlone573 wrote: »

Rihanna is Barbadian though

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-21503200

But of Irish heritage.

breezy1985

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Brazilians do love an ould parade. Unionists just object to the dress sense of the ladies.

From the research I have done online there is a lot more than just the outfits some of those Brazilian women have that will be a serious problem for the DUP

batman75

God the lack of basic intellect from Sammy Wilson is frightening. He whines about the protocol weakening the link between NI and the rest of the UK yet his party actively supported Brexit. Brexit passing meant there was going to have to be a border of some description between the UK and the EU. He is also not publically acknowledging the reality that Johnson doesn't give a toss about NI. Johnson wanted Brexit and was not bothered if NI bore the brunt of collateral damage from pursuing it.
Indeed Britain's pursuit of Brexit was arguably in contravention of the GF agreement unless I'm misunderstanding that agreement.

Faugheen

Sammy Wilson made remarks in the Commons yesterday about the attitude toward the North being like a 19th century colonial ruler and didn’t even see a hint of irony.

https://twitter.com/jontonge/status/1407341050289659907?s=21

RonanG86

Faugheen wrote: »

Sammy Wilson made remarks in the Commons yesterday about the attitude toward the North being like a 19th century colonial ruler and didn’t even see a hint of irony.

https://twitter.com/jontonge/status/1407341050289659907?s=21

Come on Sammy, connect the last dot. You're so close to figuring out what you should do.

breezy1985

RonanG86 wrote: »

Come on Sammy, connect the last dot. You're so close to figuring out what you should do.

Sammy says NO! to British colonial rule in Ulster

BonnieSituation

Faugheen wrote: »

Sammy Wilson made remarks in the Commons yesterday about the attitude toward the North being like a 19th century colonial ruler and didn’t even see a hint of irony.

https://twitter.com/jontonge/status/1407341050289659907?s=21

We're through the looking glass here people.

Ardillaun

breezy1985 wrote: »

Far less restrictions on it from the English than we had over the years

We’ve been in charge of ourselves for a century. The diverging fates of Welsh and Irish in that time show there’s more than government policy to this issue.

Ardillaun

Strazdas wrote: »

In any event, revival of languages is happening all over the world and on every continent. People are very aware of the cultural significance of language (often tied in with national identity) and of the importance of keeping languages alive.

People can be aware of a problem, try to do something about it and still fail. That’s the likely fate of most languages on the planet.

https://languageconservancy.org/language-loss/

Strazdas

Ardillaun wrote: »

People can be aware of a problem, try to do something about it and still fail. That’s the likely fate of most languages on the planet.

https://languageconservancy.org/language-loss/

For sure, but that website also points out that there has been a pushback in the last 25 years or so to save languages. Before then, they were simply dying out and nobody was doing anything about it.

For example, TG4 in Ireland, S4C in Wales and BBC Alba in Scotland weren't just set up to keep native speakers entertained, but in a deliberate effort to keep the languages very much alive.

Urbanisation and globalisation are definitely a huge problem and a cause of languages becoming extinct, but these things are not insurmountable.

Ardillaun

Strazdas wrote: »

For sure, but that website also points out that there has been a pushback in the last 25 years or so to save languages. Before then, they were simply dying out and nobody was doing anything about it.

For example, TG4 in Ireland, S4C in Wales and BBC Alba in Scotland weren't just set up to keep native speakers entertained, but in a deliberate effort to keep the languages very much alive.

Urbanisation and globalisation are definitely a huge problem and a cause of languages becoming extinct, but these things are not insurmountable.

We’re definitely in a much better position to save our language than many indigenous groups are who have little or no say in how their countries are run, and there’s far less excuse for us if we fail. I’m just sceptical we’re going to change our ways and get serious about it.

Danzy

Faugheen wrote: »

Sammy Wilson made remarks in the Commons yesterday about the attitude toward the North being like a 19th century colonial ruler and didn’t even see a hint of irony.

https://twitter.com/jontonge/status/1407341050289659907?s=21

Sammy is such a Fenian.

briany

batman75 wrote: »

God the lack of basic intellect from Sammy Wilson is frightening. He whines about the protocol weakening the link between NI and the rest of the UK yet his party actively supported Brexit. Brexit passing meant there was going to have to be a border of some description between the UK and the EU.

Of course they did.... 'cause they thought the border would go between RoI and NI.

bilbot79

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Further to this do they realise in a United Ireland there are more Polish or Brazilians than Unionists!

I often wondered could unionists in a UI get ethnic minority status like travellers did.

In a UI the unionist voice would carry more weight than anyone else with people bending over backwards for them. Even Mary Lou.

The poor polish and Brazilians would be left perplexed that they have to vacate their seats on a bus in favour of a unionist when they get on board

Claw Hammer

Strazdas wrote: »

For example, TG4 in Ireland, S4C in Wales and BBC Alba in Scotland weren't just set up to keep native speakers entertained, but in a deliberate effort to keep the languages very much alive.

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TG4 is not keeping the language very much alive. It wasn't much alive when Tg4 started and is less so now. The number of daily speakers in Gaeltacht areas has dropped since TG4 started. Because of technology many languages are being recorded but the reality is that the languages are being preserved like Latin. people may know the language and be able to communicate in it but don't use it much in their daily lives.

blanch152

Claw Hammer wrote: »

TG4 is not keeping the language very much alive. It wasn't much alive when Tg4 started and is less so now. The number of daily speakers in Gaeltacht areas has dropped since TG4 started. Because of technology many languages are being recorded but the reality is that the languages are being preserved like Latin. people may know the language and be able to communicate in it but don't use it much in their daily lives.

Correct, Irish is at one of its lowest ebbs, since just before the Gaelic League got started.

There are more native speakers of Polish born in Ireland these days than native speakers of Irish.

We do need to preserve the language, it is an important part of our heritage, but its contribution to living culture is miniscule in the modern Ireland.

athlone573

blanch152 wrote: »

Correct, Irish is at one of its lowest ebbs, since just before the Gaelic League got started.

There are more native speakers of Polish born in Ireland these days than native speakers of Irish.

We do need to preserve the language, it is an important part of our heritage, but its contribution to living culture is miniscule in the modern Ireland.

I wouldn't agree

There are a huge amount of kids attending gaelscoilleana and speaking the language outside of school also

It also has an enduring influence on how we express ourselves in spoken and written English compared with in England.

ohnonotgmail

blanch152 wrote: »

Correct, Irish is at one of its lowest ebbs, since just before the Gaelic League got started.

There are more native speakers of Polish born in Ireland these days than native speakers of Irish.

We do need to preserve the language, it is an important part of our heritage, but its contribution to living culture is miniscule in the modern Ireland.

perhaps the two parts in bold are related?

athlone573

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

perhaps the two parts in bold are related?

A baby isn't a native speaker of anything yet if we are being picky.

josip

athlone573 wrote: »

A baby isn't a native speaker of anything yet if we are being picky.

Since we're being picky

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/MindMoodNews/newborns-cry-accent-study-finds/story?id=9006266

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Correct, Irish is at one of its lowest ebbs, since just before the Gaelic League got started.

There are more native speakers of Polish born in Ireland these days than native speakers of Irish.

Why would that be a reason not to implement an act.
The self deprecating lenghts you will stoop to to vindicate Unionist denial of rights is cringe.

breezy1985

athlone573 wrote: »

I wouldn't agree

There are a huge amount of kids attending gaelscoilleana and speaking the language outside of school also

It also has an enduring influence on how we express ourselves in spoken and written English compared with in England.

The language along with other aspects of Irish culture have finally because disentangled from the catholic nationalist traditionalism of the early Irish state and I've noticed kids now can enjoy and have fun with the language the way you couldn't or wouldn't before

breezy1985

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

perhaps the two parts in bold are related?

Not really. The language means nothing other than something you need to do for a good leaving cert result in large parts of the country. Irish had no bearing on life in Limerick long before any Polish came along

Strazdas

Claw Hammer wrote: »

TG4 is not keeping the language very much alive. It wasn't much alive when Tg4 started and is less so now. The number of daily speakers in Gaeltacht areas has dropped since TG4 started. Because of technology many languages are being recorded but the reality is that the languages are being preserved like Latin. people may know the language and be able to communicate in it but don't use it much in their daily lives.

Aren't there far more Gaelscoileanna now than there were twenty years ago? That doesn't sound like a dying language : there are 50 such schools in Dublin alone.

FrancieBrady

Strazdas wrote: »

Aren't there far more Gaelscoileanna now than there were twenty years ago? That doesn't sound like a dying language : there are 50 such schools in Dublin alone.

The grassroots revival going on at the minute will pay huge dividends in a few years.

gormdubhgorm

Strazdas wrote: »

Aren't there far more Gaelscoileanna now than there were twenty years ago? That doesn't sound like a dying language : there are 50 such schools in Dublin alone.

The problem is it is only a certain cohort. Granted there is exceptions like Gaelscoils in Clondalkin etc. But the problem is those with a strong interest in the Irish language are normally for a better educated background, thereby more likely middle class. Leading in turn to problems of an appearance of elitism, keeping people of a certain class or nationality out.

From what I see it has a 'false bubble effect', encouraging people that already have an interest and not encouraging people from different backgrounds.

Unless the working class are of a strong overt 'Republican' background, I find they are not drawn to the Irish language.

ohnonotgmail

breezy1985 wrote: »

Not really. The language means nothing other than something you need to do for a good leaving cert result in large parts of the country. Irish had no bearing on life in Limerick long before any Polish came along

The post referred to native irish speakers vs native polish speakers.. If you are including everybody who does irish to the leaving cert as a native irish speaker then there are considerably more of them than native polish speakers. as the post referred to their being less native irish speakers than native polish speakers then that is not the definition to use.

BonnieSituation

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

The problem is it is only a certain cohort. Granted there is exceptions like Gaelscoils in Clondalkin etc. But the problem is those with a strong interest in the Irish language are normally for a better educated background, thereby more likely middle class. Leading in turn to problems of an appearance of elitism, keeping people of a certain class or nationality out.

From what I see it has a 'false bubble effect', encouraging people that already have an interest and not encouraging people from different backgrounds.

Unless the working class are of a strong overt 'Republican' background, I find they are not drawn to the Irish language.

So we shouldn't try at all, is that what you're saying?

Very defeatist of you.

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Anyway, back to the DUPers...

realdanbreen

I think this thread has passed its sell by date.