Night Vision Equipment- Infra Red Add On, Scopes, Mounts and Viewers

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Infra Red Add On, Scopes, Mounts and Viewers


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mcbain087

I read on lots of hunting / shooting sites and social media that people are using NV add ons in all different guises and would like to point out that just because you tick the box on the application FCA1 or renewal form, it does not entitle you to use a night vision / thermal device attached to your scope.
It is not illegal for companies to sell you one but it is up to you to know the law.
Speak to your FAO and clarify the situation with them as usually an application must be made separately in writing requesting permission to use an add on.
It might save you from losing your licences.

cookimonster

mcbain087 wrote: »

I read on lots of hunting / shooting sites and social media that people are using NV add ons in all different guises and would like to point out that just because you tick the box on the application FCA1 or renewal form, it does not entitle you to use a night vision / thermal device attached to your scope.
It is not illegal for companies to sell you one but it is up to you to know the law.
Speak to your FAO and clarify the situation with them as usually an application must be made separately in writing requesting permission to use an add on.
It might save you from losing your licences.

See the following post

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=117014652&postcount=4

clivej

I think this was version 2 of a DIY Night Vision add-on I made up. Version 1 used a cheap camera off EBay that wasn't good. This version 2 used a 'Sure24' camera @£;90, far better. It worked very well but as with all add-on NV your cheek weld is not the best, but usable off sticks, tri-pod etc.
Cattle are 350y away, but you'd not get this distance at night.
Used a Night Master 800 LED IR.
12v Battery pack was in the bullet holder on the stock.

clivej

This is how a put a Night Master 800 torch on my rifle. I never liked the idea of scope mounting the torch. Too much extra weight on the scope with the recoil IMO.

clivej

Made this using a 55mm SLR camera screw on lens, a CCTV 5" screen, a 'Sure 24' camera. Red on/off switch, video out, internal battery charging input. Cat is 40y away (a bad reflection off the screen)
Torch is a T40 LED IR.

cookimonster

Nice one clivej, puts my ability to fit a plug into the ha'penny place.

Asus1

clivej wrote: »

This is how a put a Night Master 800 torch on my rifle. I never liked the idea of scope mounting the torch. Too much extra weight on the scope with the recoil IMO.

How's the rail fitted to the side of the stock,drilled and tapped or glued,cheers.

cookimonster

This is what I've been using as a spotter.

They can be picked up on various sites
such as https://m.lightinthebox.com/p/weide-5x40mm-monocular-portable-handheld-design-multi-functional-night-vision-pc-notebooks-and-laptops-hunting-bak4-5m-central-focusing_p6662919.html?currency=EUR&litb_from=paid_adwords_shopping&sku=1_45&country_code=ie&utm_source=google_shopping&utm_medium=cpc&adword_mt=&adword_ct=406688497092&adword_kw=&adword_pos=&adword_pl=&adword_net=u&adword_tar=&adw_src_id=1463064549_8638447838_95309045708_pla-528896765940&gclid=Cj0KCQjw1a6EBhC0ARIsAOiTkrEfabYSy07wJi7YeLQwrnQ8zVblNzWsfidELBXhsd0POZptOEIJXB0aAnXwEALw_wcB with various price tags from either side of €100, but can be picked up secound hand. Its paired this with a https://outdoorsports.ie/products/tracer-ledray-ir-torch-recharge-kit which gives me enough illumination to look out over a field at 200 yards or more.
The image is not the sharpest and there are features I don't like, such as the IR will automatically come on each time you turn it off, but you can then switch it off and use the auxiliary source which saves the battery life. I did purchase a secound battery which I carry with me. You can charge the battery while installed in the unit so that is handy. There is a digital zoom but to be honest I don't use it as the general setting seems fine for scanning range. It has the usual on board still and video capture, all of which downloadable from the unit or transfer from data card.

You can see footage from it here-
https://youtu.be/OIBz0RonOKw

There is ambient light as the paddock is beside an access road but on the other hand the reason I was able to sit up on a fence and call these foxes in to rock chucking range was because I wasn't using a visible light source.

As you can hear there is an audible whine from the unit when in record mode and if you pan too quickly you will lose digital quality (something that can happen with digi scopes aswell).

Would I recommend one, ......kind of, if you can get a good deal. But by the time you spend the money for the unit, a secound IR source, extra batteries you could add a few hundred extra and buy a entry level thermal spotter and use that in conjunction with NV IR scope system.

clivej

Asus1 wrote: »

How's the rail fitted to the side of the stock,drilled and tapped or glued,cheers.

I was lucky in that it's a synthetic stock and has chris cross bracing on the inside, plenty of space. I used epoxy to glue in place 2 x 5mm tapped small metal plates.

Asus1

cookimonster wrote: »

This is what I've been using as a spotter.

They can be picked up on various sites
such as https://m.lightinthebox.com/p/weide-5x40mm-monocular-portable-handheld-design-multi-functional-night-vision-pc-notebooks-and-laptops-hunting-bak4-5m-central-focusing_p6662919.html?currency=EUR&litb_from=paid_adwords_shopping&sku=1_45&country_code=ie&utm_source=google_shopping&utm_medium=cpc&adword_mt=&adword_ct=406688497092&adword_kw=&adword_pos=&adword_pl=&adword_net=u&adword_tar=&adw_src_id=1463064549_8638447838_95309045708_pla-528896765940&gclid=Cj0KCQjw1a6EBhC0ARIsAOiTkrEfabYSy07wJi7YeLQwrnQ8zVblNzWsfidELBXhsd0POZptOEIJXB0aAnXwEALw_wcB with various price tags from either side of €100, but can be picked up secound hand. Its paired this with a https://outdoorsports.ie/products/tracer-ledray-ir-torch-recharge-kit which gives me enough illumination to look out over a field at 200 yards or more.
The image is not the sharpest and there are features I don't like, such as the IR will automatically come on each time you turn it off, but you can then switch it off and use the auxiliary source which saves the battery life. I did purchase a secound battery which I carry with me. You can charge the battery while installed in the unit so that is handy. There is a digital zoom but to be honest I don't use it as the general setting seems fine for scanning range. It has the usual on board still and video capture, all of which downloadable from the unit or transfer from data card.

You can see footage from it here-
https://youtu.be/OIBz0RonOKw

There is ambient light as the paddock is beside an access road but on the other hand the reason I was able to sit up on a fence and call these foxes in to rock chucking range was because I wasn't using a visible light source.

As you can hear there is an audible whine from the unit when in record mode and if you pan too quickly you will lose digital quality (something that can happen with digi scopes aswell).

Would I recommend one, ......kind of, if you can get a good deal. But by the time you spend the money for the unit, a secound IR source, extra batteries you could add a few hundred extra and buy a entry level thermal spotter and use that in conjunction with NV IR scope system.

This looks like a happy medium between dear but not too dear.
https://wildhunter.ie/collections/night-vision/products/pard-night-vision-monocular

clivej

Asus1 wrote: »

This looks like a happy medium between dear but not too dear.
https://wildhunter.ie/collections/night-vision/products/pard-night-vision-monocular

BUT there is not any diopter adjustment on that PARD19, if you need to adjust for your eye sight then you have to buy len's that push into the rubber eye cup.

cookimonster

Asus1 wrote: »

This looks like a happy medium between dear but not too dear.
https://wildhunter.ie/collections/night-vision/products/pard-night-vision-monocular

I'd have a serious look at some of the Chinese off brand stuff before purchasing the Pard. With the exception of the wifi etc it's nearly the same spec as the multitude of others that you can find on the net.

Here's what I'd like to up grade to (still need to put on the research time)-
https://www.jl-vision.nl/en/product/hikmicro-lynx-lc06-thermal-monocular-/.

cookimonster

clivej wrote: »

BUT there is not any diopter adjustment on that PARD19, if you need to adjust for your eye sight then you have to buy len's that push into the rubber eye cup.

See this review -

https://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/topic/386112-pard-nv019/

Vizzy

Asus1 wrote: »

This looks like a happy medium between dear but not too dear.
https://wildhunter.ie/collections/night-vision/products/pard-night-vision-monocular

Have one.

Bought it in the UK about 18months ago on a Black Friday deal. I think I paid £118 for it.

Great piece of kit. Will give recognition out to 200m, but like all digital stuff it pixelates if you use too much mag.
Mine came with the lens to solve the occular problem.( the lens is only about €2 on fleabay in any case)

Its a bit bigger than the 007 but I have it on a lanyard and it goes into a "kangaroo" pocket .

It comes into its own when you leave the 007 on the gun and use this for scanning. You don't need to refocus the 007 then.
Field of view is much wider than the 007 so scanning a field is very quick.

The only criticism I have is that you cant put it in sleep mode and also, the focus is VERY sensitive, but it is easily overcome by focussing at your preferred distance (everything else will be out of focus) and then refocussing as necessary as you scan.
You will easily pick up eye shine, but will need to focus a bit to see if the fox/rabbit is head-on or side-on etc.

clivej

Just seen this. Scope-Less PARD 007.

A rail with a red dot sitting in front of a PARD 007. Not available now but could be made up.
A 3D printed front Picatinny rail attachment for the 007

https://customhunting.ecwid.com/ADDONIGHT-00A1-1-scopeless-mount-system-fits-all-NV007-variants-p112410552





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Asus1

https://www.lucky-hunter.com/product/pard-nv007a/
Pard 2020 model delivered for €320 from Denmark company are around a good while from looking online,lowest price around I think.

https://www.jl-vision.nl/en/product/pard-nv007-a-12mm-german-model/

slipperyox

nice find. pity it wasn't the 12mm...

At 30 euro a pop, the sleeves are pricey if you have different scopes

tudderone

Asus1 wrote: »

https://www.lucky-hunter.com/product/pard-nv007a/
Pard 2020 model delivered for €320 from Denmark company are around a good while from looking online,lowest price around I think.

Are they any use though ? I messed around with night vision years ago and found most of it to be approaching useless.

Rows Grower

tudderone wrote: »

Are they any use though ? I messed around with night vision years ago and found most of it to be approaching useless.

Loads of stuff on YouTube and various other internet sites and forums for the last number of years about them with very little negative feedback.

Asus1

tudderone wrote: »

Are they any use though ? I messed around with night vision years ago and found most of it to be approaching useless.

Hopefully have one arriving this week so will let you know.But from people replying to a thread I started about the pard they all said it was the dogs Bo....X,so I went and bought one.

Asus1

slipperyox wrote: »

nice find. pity it wasn't the 12mm...

At 30 euro a pop, the sleeves are pricey if you have different scopes

Bit dearer but might suit you
https://www.jl-vision.nl/en/product/pard-nv007-a-12mm-german-model/

Sika98k

tudderone wrote: »

Are they any use though ? I messed around with night vision years ago and found most of it to be approaching useless.

I’ve been messing around with night vision for several years. The first piece was a Fero 51 as used by the Bundeswehr back in the ‘80’s. When I eventually got a reasonable IRsource it wasn’t a bad piece of kit.
Then the early Photon came out. Better but rapidly superseded.
Nowadays I use a Pard 007 and an XQ38F.
undoubtedly I will at some stage trade up or give up. The XQ38f is good for spotting out to 800yds for body language. The Pard with a good external IR is good out to as far as You can shoot.
It looks like the Pard 007 is shortly to be moved to the back row as prices seem to have dropped all over Europe.

Asus1

€ 137,50 50%OFF | Megaorei 3 Night Vision RifleScope Optical Night Sight Spotting Scope HD720P VCR Hunting Camera Telescope with Laser IR
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mOT7ar7
This is a copy of a pard but half as much

BattleCorp

Asus1 wrote: »

€ 137,50 50%OFF | Megaorei 3 Night Vision RifleScope Optical Night Sight Spotting Scope HD720P VCR Hunting Camera Telescope with Laser IR
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mOT7ar7
This is a copy of a pard but half as much

I wonder is it only half as good?

Asus1

BattleCorp wrote: »

I wonder is it only half as good?

Probably so.

tudderone

BattleCorp wrote: »

I wonder is it only half as good?

They probably use lesser spec'ed and lesser quality components to get the price down.

Rows Grower

Asus1 wrote: »

€ 137,50 50%OFF | Megaorei 3 Night Vision RifleScope Optical Night Sight Spotting Scope HD720P VCR Hunting Camera Telescope with Laser IR
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mOT7ar7
This is a copy of a pard but half as much

Looks like a very big unit compared to the Pard, no doubt there is room for improvement in everything but I'm not too sure that fills the gap.

Pard have sold hundreds of thousands of units with very little but positive feedback, that product has 3 reviews from customers.

cookimonster

Rows Grower wrote: »

Pard have sold hundreds of thousands of units with very little but positive feedback, that product has 3 reviews from customers.

Check out Facebook- plenty of Night Vision groups there and the Pard is very popular as an add on.
It was my orginal choice for entry into the NV Shooting World but I got suckered into other things....

You know when you go into Argus for a €15 Toaster and come out with a €75 one instead!!!


The main thing that stopped me getting one was the need for a parallax adjustable scope, as it was intended to be used on two exsisting rifles. Anyhow that plan didn't survive contact and a dedicated scope on QD mounts was the option..... Well plan C became plan B and a new project was born, I digress ..... Based purely on secound hand info I would definitely go with an add on if I had a compatible scope for a duel purpose set up.

Grizzly 45

Sika98k wrote: »

I’ve been messing around with night vision for several years. The first piece was a Fero 51 as used by the Bundeswehr back in the ‘80’s. When I eventually got a reasonable IRsource it wasn’t a bad piece of kit.

You didn't be chance to sell or trade that to a now-defunct and short-lived in business gun dealer in Galway? As I acquired a BW Fero off him years ago and still have it.Still a damn good bit albeit heavy of kit and becoming a collector's piece.:)

tudderone

Am i right in thinking that nv is only as good as the infra red illuminator that accompanies it ? These Pard units have me interested, if they are in anyway useful i might get one.

Whats the legal situation with nv on your scope ? Clearance needed from the ptb ?


See what the American army are looking to use ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oow8bP37v3k