French generals cause backlash with 'civil war' warning

KeepItLight

grassylawn wrote: »

Here's a mad concept. What the US does or doesn't do in the Middle East isn't my problem.

It is really neo-colonialism though. Except its a colonisation of ideals and political structures rather than people. To nobody's benefit but the hegemon of course.

And the consequences to Europe are very real. More so than they are for the avg. US citizen (the non-soldiers at least).

Fandymo

Housefree wrote: »

The extremists are bombing the middle east back to the stone age with the most sophisticated weaponry ever devised by mankind. Iraq/Afghanistan/Libya/Syria while supporting apartheid

A few lone wolfs on a suicide mission in the west after watching a drone strike slaughter a whole wedding party in some small middle eastern village is hardly extreme in comparison

But your right, can you deprogram US politics/generals?

Don't you have to have gone somewhere to go "back"?? FGM, marrying children, Stoning for adultury, throwing gays off buildings are all stone age practices.

grassylawn

Fandymo wrote: »

Don't you have to have gone somewhere to go "back"?? FGM, marrying children, Stoning for adultury, throwing gays off buildings are all stone age practices.

Afghanistan society was apparently doing pretty well before the US got involved. They got involved by arming wahibbi fighters who didn't like all the social progression. Bin Laden was one of them.

Not mentioned, but Iran was something along the lines of a secular republic before the USA and UK organized a coup. This time the religious extremists came in after a revolution against the shah who had been installed by the US and UK.

So they actually did return them to the stone age by your own view of it.

KeepItLight

grassylawn wrote: »

Afghanistan society was apparently doing pretty well before the US got involved. They got involved by arming wahibbi fighters who didn't like all the social progression. Bin Laden was one of them.

Not mentioned, but Iran was something along the lines of a secular republic before the USA and UK organized a coup. This time the religious extremists came in after a revolution against the shah who had been installed by the US and UK.

So they actually did return them to the stone age by your own view of it.

Not to mention that the spread of extremist Islam/Wahhabism was direct result of the US getting into bed with the house of Saud in the immediate aftermath of WWII and paying them billions to secure oil, thus making them a relative superpower within that region.

grassylawn

KeepItLight wrote: »

Not to mention that the spread of extremist Islam/Wahhabism was direct result of the US getting into bed with the house of Saud in the immediate aftermath of WWII and paying them billions to secure oil, thus making them a relative superpower within that region.

Not sure how to put it delicately, but the biggest issue with the US being in bed with the Saudis appears to be the position they seem to have assumed once there.

Yellow_Fern

Why are RTE, Indo, Irish Times, Belfast telegraph, Irish Press and the Examiner silent this? The only coverage I could find is the Irish Sun and the Times both are not really local.

Thank goodness we can get media from outside these channels these days.

listermint

Yellow_Fern wrote: »

Why are RTE, Indo, Irish Times, Belfast telegraph, Irish Press and the Examiner silent this? The only coverage I could find is the Irish Sun and the Times both are not really local.

Thank goodness we can get media from outside these channels these days.

I know right. The Irish Sun. My go to for all world events. Thank god for that

SomethingElse

AmyMurphy22 wrote: »

Q: How do you confuse a French Soldier?
A: Give him a rifle and ask him to shoot it.

Q. How do you introduce yourself in French? A. "Don't shoot, I give up!"

And they say the age profile of boards is rising...

KeepItLight

listermint wrote: »

I know right. The Irish Sun. My go to for all world events. Thank god for that

Nobody pay attention or take the bait & respond to this.

Just another snide jab & petty attempt to derail the thread again.

Yellow_Fern

listermint wrote: »

I know right. The Irish Sun. My go to for all world events. Thank god for that

Look, we agree on this that the Sun isnt the best of papers for world affairs. I don't read the Sun. I don't like reading the Sun. It bothers me a lot that an important story is only covered by a tabloid paper that I don't like.

biko

Yellow_Fern wrote: »

Why are RTE, Indo, Irish Times, Belfast telegraph, Irish Press and the Examiner silent this?

They generally wait until an English paper have picked it up.
That way they don't have to spend time factchecking but just do a lazy rewrite of the article in the English paper.

Dyr

biko wrote: »

They generally wait until an English paper have picked it up.
That way they don't have to spend time factchecking but just do a lazy rewrite of the article in the English paper.

Somewhat bizarrely, the Daily Mail gave it a fairly detailed write up

Sarkozys former Justice Minister has come out in support of the letter, apparently she's a bit of a bete noir of the left given that she came from a poor Muslim background but doesnt hold the sort of opinons that an oppressed minority should.

TomTomTim

Yellow_Fern wrote: »

Why are RTE, Indo, Irish Times, Belfast telegraph, Irish Press and the Examiner silent this? The only coverage I could find is the Irish Sun and the Times both are not really local.

Thank goodness we can get media from outside these channels these days.

Most of them didn't even cover the Islamic protests in the UK recently over the Mohammed cartoon. The Irish Sun & the Belfast Telegraph are the only ones who covered it according to the search I just did.

SupaCat95

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

We’re all part of the one union.

"......But some animals are more equal than others"

suicide_circus

Nothing to see here because violence happens throughout history and the forefathers of current french people established colonies....hmmm

SupaCat95

SupaCat95 wrote: »

"......But some animals are more equal than others"

You’re not wrong there.....

SUPA CAT :pac:

MadYaker

I approached the thread seriously until I read the letter. Of all the real problems facing France these old guys chose de mooslims. I shouldn't be surprised I suppose.

Snickers Man

grassylawn wrote: »

I wonder if the same techniques that are used to deprogram cult members would work on people indoctrinated with fundamentalist or extremist ideas. Not thinking exclusively about Wahibbis or Muslims in general with this. I wonder if it is something that is ever tried.

You mean like Gay Conversion Therapy? Ask the DUP.

Snickers Man

Yellow_Fern wrote: »

Why are RTE, Indo, Irish Times, Belfast telegraph, Irish Pressand the Examiner silent this? The only coverage I could find is the Irish Sun and the Times both are not really local.

Thank goodness we can get media from outside these channels these days.

The Irish Press? Didn't that go out of business about 20+ years ago, or are you just incredibly confident spouting bull**** about things about which you know nothing?

Snickers Man

Fandymo wrote: »

FGM, marrying children, Stoning for adultury, throwing gays off buildings are all stone age practices.

I agree. What have they got to do with disgruntled French generals?

Yellow_Fern

Snickers Man wrote: »

The Irish Press? Didn't that go out of business about 20+ years ago, or are you just incredibly confident spouting bull**** about things about which you know nothing?

Pardon I mean the Irish News, the northern nationalist paper.

grassylawn

Snickers Man wrote: »

You mean like Gay Conversion Therapy? Ask the DUP.

No I mean like extracting people from a cult.

biko

18 active soldiers – including four officers – who were also identified as signatories are to receive “military disciplinary sanctions”.

https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20210429-french-soldiers-generals-who-warned-of-civil-war-to-face-sanctions-hard-right-le-pen-armed-forces-france?ref=tw

Damage control is being handled by media.

Not everyone is convinced this group of elderly men are well placed to do much whistle-blowing.

“They’re second division generals, on the margins of the defence world,” Jean Guisnel, a journalist specialising in defence and intelligence, told RFI.

“They’re what you call has-beens. Only two of them are really known: Piquemal who was radiated from the army for his far-right positions and Emmanuel de Richoufftz who wrote a few books and became very close the [Marine le Pen's] far-right National Rally party in recent years.”

CelticRambler

Yellow_Fern wrote: »

Why are RTE, Indo, Irish Times, Belfast telegraph, Irish Press and the Examiner silent this?

Possibly because it's not even news in France. I live here, and various groups of people write letters like this all the time. They get their five minutes of fame, occasionally someone takes them seriously, and then it's back to the usual bickering and squabbling about stuff that could be sorted out quickly and efficiently, except for the fact that France is chronically divided into Left and Right so any sensible measure proposed by the one is systematically opposed by the other.

The real news today is the hunt for two members of the Red Brigade, who need to stay hidden for just two more days so as to avoid being extradited to Italy to face terrorism charges from their activities back in the last century.

Dyr

The main author had been the head of the French Foreign Legion and held positions in three different governments

Perhaps he just knew a lot of people.

shtpEdthePlum

One middle class couple and another hippie I know who live in France would have extremely divergent views on most things, but both have told me separately in the last six months that it's very unsettling living there. The girl in the couple said that she can't exercise alone as creepy men will follow her. France are in a very weird place.

KeepItLight

KeepItLight wrote: »

It is really neo-colonialism though. Except its a colonisation of ideals and political structures rather than people. To nobody's benefit but the hegemon of course.

And the consequences to Europe are very real. More so than they are for the avg. US citizen (the non-soldiers at least).

The US is a global superpower, the only one for the moment at least. It can do whatever it wants to whomever it wants, militarily.

If you compare US foreign policy with that of previous Empires in history, it's pretty tame by comparison. I doubt China or anyone else would act with such restraint if they held the same level of power. They could have stayed in Iraq easy and taken the oil for themselves. They instead tried to facilitate a democracy and extracted the oil through commercial trade rather than outright theft. Yes it was nasty, ugly, and I don't support it. But let's not think they are the solitary great evil in the world.

CelticRambler

shtpEdthePlum wrote: »

One middle class couple and another hippie I know who live in France would have extremely divergent views on most things, but both have told me separately in the last six months that it's very unsettling living there. The girl in the couple said that she can't exercise alone as creepy men will follow her. France are in a very weird place.

Context is everything ... :rolleyes:

Nothing unsettling about the part(s) of France I live/work in - it's pretty much the same now as it has been for the last fifteen years, but with more internet.

francois

shtpEdthePlum wrote: »

One middle class couple and another hippie I know who live in France would have extremely divergent views on most things, but both have told me separately in the last six months that it's very unsettling living there. The girl in the couple said that she can't exercise alone as creepy men will follow her. France are in a very weird place.

Cool anecdote

up for anything

shtpEdthePlum wrote: »

One middle class couple and another hippie I know who live in France would have extremely divergent views on most things, but both have told me separately in the last six months that it's very unsettling living there. The girl in the couple said that she can't exercise alone as creepy men will follow her. France are in a very weird place.

Happens everywhere.