Covid 19 in India

brickster69

screamer wrote: »

The Indian strain has doubled in the uk in a week with over 1500 cases this week. It’s reported to be 60% more transmissible than the B117 Kent or so called uk variant. It’s in pockets of the uk right now, and unfortunately for us, also detected in the north. So, with the uk removing the last Covid measures soon to include social distancing and mask wearing let’s hope this strain from India is not vaccine resistant.

I heard of a guy who caught it last week. He has been in a Korma since then and even passed it on to his Naan :eek:

theguzman

screamer wrote: »

I don’t know that the Pfizer is any better against this than Astra Zeneca being honest

Both are a hell of a lot better than the various Chinese snake-oil vaccines.

Charles Babbage

screamer wrote: »

The Indian strain has doubled in the uk in a week with over 1500 cases this week. It’s reported to be 60% more transmissible than the B117 Kent or so called uk variant. It’s in pockets of the uk right now, and unfortunately for us, also detected in the north. So, with the uk removing the last Covid measures soon to include social distancing and mask wearing let’s hope this strain from India is not vaccine resistant.

It probably isn't vaccine resistant, but vaccines may be less effective, which could mean more spread even if the vaccine helps reduce the serious illness.



The Indian variant is growing everywhere, alas. This suggests that is it indeed more infectious. Note the log scale on these chart, the Indian variant has a bit to go yet.

Jinglejangle69

Sam McConkey shown your face here!!

More scaring and spreading fear.

There is 1000s of Covid variants.

positron

Indian situation is now effecting other countries due to SII unable to fullfil Covax deliveries.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-57135368

If you look at how governments order vaccine doses.. It's not a thin line but it's a grand canyon sized chasm between necessity and hoarding.

monkeybutter

was it not they ordered them to give them away?

fly_agaric

positron wrote: »

Indian situation is now effecting other countries due to SII unable to fullfil Covax deliveries.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-57135368

If you look at how governments order vaccine doses.. It's not a thin line but it's a grand canyon sized chasm between necessity and hoarding.

Like the patents issue, I'm not so sure this is as big a problem as media might make out (?) Assuming that the vaccine(s) will work for a decent amount of time and that no variant arises that defeats the vaccine(s) (we must hope both are true), these will be eventually donated or at least sold on at cost. Countries cannot administer more than they need for their population. The main problem the world faces is that the global production capacity (most of it concentrated in a few locations) is not sufficient to vaccinate the entire population immediately and while there is a shortage that production will not be distributed evenly/fairly. For example, India has now afaik (edit: and as per your article) pretty much had to hijack the production located there (alot of which was expected to be used for Covax / export to others) to try & emergency vaccinate its own population first. The production is not enough to do both.

Cordell

Given that this was predicted to become just like the flu jab to be taken every year, the countries that ordered more must be commended for their proactive planning, and not blamed for "hoarding".

drunkmonkey

Cordell wrote: »

Given that this was predicted to become just like the flu jab to be taken every year, the countries that ordered more must be commended for their proactive planning, and not blamed for "hoarding".

I wouldn't agree, we're banging the drum for healthy 12yr olds to get it who have little to no risk of dying from covid yet we've older people with underlying conditions that haven't access to it in other countries who are dying. We should vaccinate the at risk and then help other countries, herd immunity is only possible if the world is vaccinated absurd to think we can just jab every citizen on the island and it'll all be lollipops and rainbows from then on in.
Vaccines aren't a long term solution, you might have a good take up the first time but that won't be the same every year. Funding will also fade away from them once the cure is available which is predicted some time this year.
This wouldn't be the first time we ordered too many vaccines in a pandemic we couldn't get rid of in the end.

Cordell

If we reach 90+ vaccination here we don't need to rely on the rest of the world having herd immunity.
There are multiple voices saying that this will never go away, not in a couple of years anyway, so we will need to vaccinate the ones at risk again in a year's time.

drunkmonkey

Cordell wrote: »

If we reach 90+ vaccination here we don't need to rely on the rest of the world having herd immunity.
There are multiple voices saying that this will never go away, not in a couple of years anyway, so we will need to vaccinate the ones at risk again in a year's time.

90% isn't going to happen, if we see 60% we'll be going very well, I'd say that's roughly the real target anyway.
I don't think it'll go away just remain endemic, you don't vaccinate the entire population when there's a readily available treatment, I think our view will have changed again later in the year, we should keep the kids out of this for a few years until the trial is complete.

Cordell

Actually you do vaccinate even when there is a treatment, especially when the treatment involves antivirals.
If we can't hope to reach 90% then there's no way we will have herd immunity at the world level.

drunkmonkey

I just can't see it happening, nowhere has that kind of uptake, India would need 2 billion vaccines alone, has anyone even hit 50% fully vaccinated yet.

Cordell

I think UK and Israel are the only ones that reached over 50% of the whole population including under 16s.

drunkmonkey

Cordell wrote: »

I think UK and Israel are the only ones that reached over 50% of the whole population including under 16s.

56% fully vaccinated in Israel, that seems to have done serious damage to it unless testing has fallen off a cliff. The UK is only at 30% fully vaccinated, we're at 10% and it's already had a huge impact. It's a long road to 90%.

wadacrack

Nepal now struggling to. Countries will hopefully start aiding this countries when they have the vast majority of the vulnerable vaccinated. I'd rather see vulnerable people in those countries vaccinated rather than myself(under 30) . The US are vaccinated kids now.

https://twitter.com/chrischirp/status/1395428305147412488

silverharp

good to see Indian infection rates peak and fall that quick

drunkmonkey

Trump's cocktail approved for 12 and up to reduce the need for hospital by up to 70%

https://twitter.com/IndiaToday/status/1396804940148797442?s=20

wes

The mystery of the hundreds of bodies found in India’s Ganges river



I wouldn't believe anything coming out of the India right now, about reduction on infections, when you have stuff like the above.

drunkmonkey

Don't they set them on fire and float them down the river, it's some traditional thing they have.

wes

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Don't they set them on fire and float them down the river, it's some traditional thing they have.

The issue is the number of bodies. Basically the world is being lied to by the Indian government.

drunkmonkey

wes wrote: »

The issue is the number of bodies. Basically the world is being lied to by the Indian government.

There's bodies floating around the river for years it's common, about 30,000 die in India a day before covid, how many are they claiming are dying at the moment?
Article is behind a paywall so can't comment on it.

ShineOn7

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Trump's cocktail approved for 12 and up to reduce the need for hospital by up to 70%

https://twitter.com/IndiaToday/status/1396804940148797442?s=20

Is Trump's Recovery Cocktail expected in large quantities in Irish hospitals any time soon?

It seems to be a major Treatment game changer

wes

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Article is behind a paywall so can't comment on it.

No paywall for me and I am not subscribed. Weird. Will see if I can find a different link.

wes

Wasn't able to find another link re the Ganges bodies.

Stumbled upon this story on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/trtworld/status/1397358573458395137?s=20

The cover up is ongoing in India.

drunkmonkey

Not sure how to that relates to the bodies, Twitter there is accused of doing what it usually does to content it doesn't agree with and it's been raided because the fact checking/dismissing was aimed at the ruling party.

positron

drunkmonkey wrote: »

There's bodies floating around the river for years it's common, about 30,000 die in India a day before covid, how many are they claiming are dying at the moment?
Article is behind a paywall so can't comment on it.

NDTV's Burka Dutt did some great reporting from the ground - and it said bodies being left on the banks is common enough even before Covid - that too 50-100 bodies a day in shallow graves on the banks of Ganges - either because the family is too poor to afford the wood to burn it, or because the deceased was young etc - grim but that seems to be have been the reality already.

And now with Covid, she had locals and workers from the area confirming that the numbers have tripped or more now that Covid has struck, and bodies are everywhere. Potentially another health crisis waiting to happen downstream.

silverharp

positron wrote: »

NDTV's Burka Dutt did some great reporting from the ground - and it said bodies being left on the banks is common enough even before Covid - that too 50-100 bodies a day in shallow graves on the banks of Ganges - either because the family is too poor to afford the wood to burn it, or because the deceased was young etc - grim but that seems to be have been the reality already.

And now with Covid, she had locals and workers from the area confirming that the numbers have tripped or more now that Covid has struck, and bodies are everywhere. Potentially another health crisis waiting to happen downstream.

you still wouldnt know from that more people are dying or its just down to logistics or money or restrictions.

positron

https://twitter.com/abcnews/status/1397535763479334917?s=20

SouthWesterly

wes wrote: »

The issue is the number of bodies. Basically the world is being lied to by the Indian government.

Anyone who believed modhi also believes in the tooth fairy.

Just heard from some, friends in India. One recovered but has kidney damage. The other is home from hospital but struggling for oxygen still. Can't get a concentrator.