The social housing list in Dublin

gilberto_eire

gilberto_eire wrote: »

I applied as its needed for HAP, I had no interest otherwise.

And no I dont think, whether they have kids or not, that people who come out of DP should skip over single people who were born and raised here.

Frankly Irish or not, you shouldn't get a house when you've contributed nothing to society.
I'd rather see people who are working and paying taxes looked after and those who dont, getting the most basic care.
A bland small dwelling and lower income.. too many are pulling E400-700 from the system by manipulating payments.

Better than the current system where someone with even a middling job is supposed to pay for everything in life while those who contribute nothing but grief end up with more.

HAP is where the government pay your rent isn't it?
So instead of living in social housing they pay your rent in private accommodation? Same thing.

Social housing is supposed to be provided to people who cannot house themselves, so why in the world would they provide it to working people who can?

You believe foreign children are less worthy of a roof over their head then a single Irish adult?

EddieN75

bubblypop wrote: »

You believe foreign children are less worthy of a roof over their head then a single Irish adult?

Yes definitely. Just like you look after your own family first the state must look after its citizens first

Wibbs

EddieN75 wrote: »

Yes definitely. Just like you look after your own family first the state must look after its citizens first

Exactly. It's the height of bloody insanity to cater to people arriving in this country ahead of Irish people, unless they're actual asylum seekers and the stats show the vast majority aren't. Never mind those illegally entering and working the black economy in this country. Oh pardon me, they're now called "undocumented" in Newspeak and we should make them legal and welcome them into the social services. If I as an Irishman legally entitled to live here hadn't paid a scrap of tax in the last few years and was caught, what would happen to me? Would I get a welcome? Would I be let off? Would, if I needed one, get a free roof over my head? Like hell I would. Sheer bloody insanity.

Why is Ireland's political class and NGO parasites driving down the same disaster road after other EU nations have long shown causes extra social problems? Worse they're accelerating down that road.

Thelonious Monk

The situation isn't ideal but it seems most people are happy to keep voting for the same parties so nothing is going to change. Best to just live your life as well as you can and not worry about who's getting this housing.

Mike Murdock

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

The situation isn't ideal but it seems most people are happy to keep voting for the same parties so nothing is going to change. Best to just live your life as well as you can and not worry about who's getting this housing.

We should be worried when we will have to foot the bill for this.

There are €12 billion in spending cuts coming for us, and adding more people to the social housing list, and prioritising people that should not even be in the country, is madness.

suicide_circus

Wibbs wrote: »

Why is Ireland's political class and NGO parasites driving down the same disaster road after other EU nations have long shown causes extra social problems? Worse they're accelerating down that road.

More state dependency and breakdown of societal cohesion = more work and influence for them, it's really that simple.

Thelonious Monk

Mike Murdock wrote: »

We should be worried when we will have to foot the bill for this.

There are €12 billion in spending cuts coming for us, and adding more people to the social housing list, and prioritising people that should not even be in the country, is madness.

Worry all you like but nothing is going to change any time soon, people will still vote for the same parties. Best to just enjoy what you have and do your best.

suicide_circus

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Worry all you like but nothing is going to change any time soon, people will still vote for the same parties. Best to just enjoy what you have and do your best.

Which parties do you suggest?

Hamachi

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

The situation isn't ideal but it seems most people are happy to keep voting for the same parties so nothing is going to change. Best to just live your life as well as you can and not worry about who's getting this housing.

I don't believe that people are happy to continue voting for the status quo. It's the lack of a real alternative. If you don't vote for FG/FF, Sinn Fein will get their hands on the levers of power, which is an undesirable outcome for many. There is a gap in the political marketplace for a center-right, fiscally conservative party who will challenge this lunacy.


Having said that, I do agree with not getting too fixated on this. It would drive you demented seeing the fruits of your labor being squandered on both the indigenous, and more particularly on the non-indigenous, some of whom shouldn't even be here in the first instance.

B2021M

Hamachi wrote: »

I don't believe that people are happy to continue voting for the status quo. It's the lack of a real alternative. If you don't vote for FF/FF, Sinn Fein will get their hands on the levers of power, which is an undesirable outcome for many. There is a gap in the political marketplace for a center-right, fiscally conservative party who will challenge this lunacy.


Having said that, I do agree with not getting too fixated on this. It would drive you demented seeing the fruits of your labor being squandered on both the indigenous, and more particularly on the non-indigenous, some of whom shouldn't even be here in the first instance.

Yes. I think if the situation was clearly explained in the media rather than showing emotive individual cases people may actually start to question it. It is unsustainable in even the medium term and shocking that no TD or party feels able to challenge what is going on.

Bobblehats

Wibbs wrote: »

Why is Ireland's political class and NGO parasites driving down the same disaster road after other EU nations have long shown causes extra social problems? Worse they're accelerating down that road.

It’s the reaction to their perceived racism. They won’t look at what may be causing it they’ll dig in deeper and continue to add to it; reinforcing their belief that increasing multiracialism is somehow the way to thwart it

They aren’t simply married to the idea, out of a common decency they’ll jump in bed and get up the duff to the very idea out of spite. The real concern here is they are not just some irrational, wayward daughter they are our leaders and we have to look at how we let ourselves go like this enable damage limitation mode and initiate a process of recovery.

cgcsb

Also the state has effectively abandoned social housing for the past 20 years or so. Very few new units and the service is now tendered out to private land lords and 'charities' at approximately 3-4 times the cost of local authorities supplying social housing directly.

Not too fussed about their nationality per say. If a nurse from the Philippines wants to come here and work as a nurse for €24k p/a and requires social housing in the form of a small one bed or studio flat at a low rent (300-400 p/m) to do that then I'm 100% happy for the state (my taxes) to provide that, we need migrant labour no matter what way you look at it and we can only supply that if living here is affordable. Likewise any Irish person should also be able to receive the same assistance within 6 months or so of applying. It should not be easy for non-working people, regardless where they were born, to access social housing, their position in the queue should be skipped over by new working people joining. Making exceptions for those with physical disabilities who require specially adapted housing. Squeezing out children shouldn't account for anything in the provision of homes, this encourages state dependency and is ultimately detrimental to society.

Thelonious Monk

suicide_circus wrote: »

Which parties do you suggest?

There are none who are anti-immigration or anti-social housing in the city centre, so unless you all start your own party nothing will change and you'll have to keep voting for people who support policies you don't want.

malinheader

People in these migrant countries must think their friends and relatives are total bullsihtres when they write home and tell them about the free money and free housing and free health care.
We are definitely the economic migrants heaven.

Wanderer78

malinheader wrote: »

People in these migrant countries must think their friends and relatives are total bullsihtres when they write home and tell them about the free money and free housing and free health care.
We are definitely the economic migrants heaven.

yea, id say direct provision is some craic, especially with covid!

EddieN75

Wanderer78 wrote: »

yea, id say direct provision is some craic, especially with covid!

Wonder how many will come once the own door accomodation model begins in a few years. 4 months in the centre then a house or apartment is all yours.
Singles, families it doesn't matter , we've got something for all.

Wanderer78

EddieN75 wrote: »

Wonder how many will come once the own door accomodation model begins in a few years. 4 months in the centre then a house or apartment is all yours.
Singles, families it doesn't matter , we've got something for all.

cant see much of this happening at all, we re in no mans land, in regards housing and accommodation, i suspect many of those folks will be in provision for a while yet

EddieN75

Wanderer78 wrote: »

cant see much of this happening at all, we re in no mans land, in regards housing and accommodation, i suspect many of those folks will be in provision for a while yet

Personally I hope their estimates are way off and an endless stream of people come.

There won't be a peep about it in the media though. No wonder Ireland is one of the main establishing parties of the new media training program to shape migration perception and opinions

cgcsb

EddieN75 wrote: »

Wonder how many will come once the own door accomodation model begins in a few years. 4 months in the centre then a house or apartment is all yours.
Singles, families it doesn't matter , we've got something for all.

Fascinated to see how this works. Can I loose my passport turn up to the airport with a phoney accent and get this? I would prefer this to a 35 year mortgage.

Wanderer78

EddieN75 wrote: »

Personally I hope their estimates are way off and an endless stream of people come.

i suspect they are, sure look at all other related projections, id say all targets have been missed, for years now

riclad

You can be on the housing list and still work as long as your income is under the limit.
In most cases to get a house you need at least 2 children,
A Person with one child gets a 2bedroom flat
I don't see why housing is given to people who are not Irish citizens
I think under EU rules anyone can travel to any country they want to
Being on the housing list means you can get hap, rent allowance
There's simply not enough council housing being built to provide
housing for those on the list
Most people on the list will end up in rented accomodation

malinheader

Wanderer78 wrote: »

yea, id say direct provision is some craic, especially with covid!

Yeah totally agree, should of put a stop to this long time ago. Taking people into a country that can't house it's own.

Wanderer78

malinheader wrote: »

Yeah totally agree, should of put a stop to this long time ago. Taking people into a country that can't house it's own.

we could house our own, but we dont want to change how to do this, we keep defaulting, and it keeps failing

Hamachi

Denmark used to be quite liberal on inward migration, with generous asylum policies and extensive social housing provision for incomers.

Stats like these compounded by the perception that foreigners were threatening their social model, triggered a dramatic u-turn in policy, starting in 2015.

Denmark now has an explicit goal of achieving a target of zero asylum seekers. This goal is backed by the social democrats no less. Whilst I don’t want Ireland to become that mean spirited, I believe that data such as that discussed in this thread, will begin to inject a certain realism in Irish policy making within the next 5-10 years..

DerekC16

Gloomtastic! wrote: »

Well where are they on the list? You can’t walk in the centre of Dublin without meeting several of them. Moore St is now Roma Street Central.....

There are a good chunk of Roma living here, exact numbers we will never know. There is also a large cohort that travel in and out of the country (pre covid) to commit crime. Gardai are well aware of this, they land in Dublin airport rent a car and travel the country scamming for a few days then fly out again.

thegetawaycar

The social housing issues will get bigger and bigger and we will never get to the stage where we have enough social housing in Dublin for those who want it.
I would much rather see the state look to get more affordable housing built than more social housing, you are far more likely to look after something you own and pay for.

Social housing in Dublin city should be 90% used for essential workers and people with disabilities and not for family members of social welfare dependents. This will never happen as due to the huge proportion of social housing in DCC they are a huge proportion of the voting public. Any politician that tackles it will be vilified by NGOs, charities etc... and unelectable.

A tax on vacant residential properties and land would go someway to making sure all built apartments actually go to market and that building is encouraged.

I really have very little issue with where someone is from getting social housing, if you are contributing positively to society and economically then no issue once you are in Ireland over a long period. Using scarce housing resources for asylum seekers is a complete farce though, it would be 1 thing to be added to the housing list once you are approved but certainly not when appealing or prior to judgement of the asylum process and certainly not skipping the list.

Wanderer78

Hamachi wrote: »

Denmark used to be quite liberal on inward migration, with generous asylum policies and extensive social housing provision for incomers.

Stats like these compounded by the perception that foreigners were threatening their social model, triggered a dramatic u-turn in policy, starting in 2015.

Denmark now has an explicit goal of achieving a target of zero asylum seekers. This goal is backed by the social democrats no less. Whilst I don’t want Ireland to become that mean spirited, I believe that data such as that discussed in this thread, will begin to inject a certain realism in Irish policy making within the next 5-10 years..

yea, i expect us to go full retard alright, if we re not already there, in regards housing

Wanderer78

thegetawaycar wrote: »

The social housing issues will get bigger and bigger and we will never get to the stage where we have enough social housing in Dublin for those who want it.
I would much rather see the state look to get more affordable housing built than more social housing, you are far more likely to look after something you own and pay for.

Social housing in Dublin city should be 90% used for essential workers and people with disabilities and not for family members of social welfare dependents. This will never happen as due to the huge proportion of social housing in DCC they are a huge proportion of the voting public. Any politician that tackles it will be vilified by NGOs, charities etc... and unelectable.

A tax on vacant residential properties and land would go someway to making sure all built apartments actually go to market and that building is encouraged.

I really have very little issue with where someone is from getting social housing, if you are contributing positively to society and economically then no issue once you are in Ireland over a long period. Using scarce housing resources for asylum seekers is a complete farce though, it would be 1 thing to be added to the housing list once you are approved but certainly not when appealing or prior to judgement of the asylum process and certainly not skipping the list.

this is wishy washy fantasy land stuff, we do not live on a planet of equal opportunities and abilities, some humans simply cannot afford to cover all of their housing needs, some in fact, never will, because this is our reality

Hamachi

Wanderer78 wrote: »

yea, i expect us to go full retard alright, if we re not already there, in regards housing

Ok. Thanks for that eloquent contribution..

Wanderer78

Hamachi wrote: »

Ok. Thanks for that eloquent contribution..

anytime