Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Leftwaffe

prunudo wrote: »

Threads moving very fast but 2 thoughts.

Even their optimistic figures look pessimistic to me.

Secondly, a lot trouble with the inequality of green certs/vaccine passports whatever you want to call them stems from the reluctance to use antigen testing. You can't discriminate against vaccinated vs not but if it went hand in hand with rapid tetsing it can work.

Yeah NPHET's refusal to use antigen testing early is coming back to bite us in the arse. If it had been introduced, like the rest of Europe, this notion of a vaccine passport would be accepted.

I think they know the vaccine passport system will not be introduced and therefore suggested it as a token gesture. 'If you really have to open up indoor dining, do it only for the fully vaccinated. Away you go"

Ballynally

new 'sensible' guy on NT Pat K show now.
Sort of in line w the general scare story..no surprise.
But he is pro antigen tests..

stephenjmcd

landofthetree wrote: »

The Irish Government, via the Department of Health, has published a tender document seeking bidders to provide hotel rooms, transport, security, and healthcare monitoring for the purpose of providing mandatory hotel quarantine in Ireland into 2022, Gript can reveal.

https://gript.ie/exclusive-government-tendering-for-mandatory-quarantine-for-next-year/

gript can reveal..... really ? This was published in papers last week, you'd swear this was new information.

Yes some form of MHQ capacity is required in the event that a brake is applied to non eu countries

Xenji

Indestructable wrote: »

Kingston Mills ****ting all over the AZ vaccine now. Predictable.

The name sounds like a bread brand.

stephenjmcd

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

I see the following on independent.ie

"Ministers will also consider whether the Government should just issue advice to unvaccinated people urging them not to dine indoors."

This is the only viable option. The idea of pubs checking people's vaccine certs is just insane.

Was just about to post that, would seem like the most logical one to go with

leahyl

Some guy on radio now saying that we are heading for Nazi Germany style society….that’s perhaps a little exaggerated…

seamus

Whatsisname wrote: »

So it's okay for unvaccinated staff to serve vaccinated customers because they don't pose a risk to the vaccinated customers but its not okay for unvaccinated customers to be near the vaccinated customers? does covid know the unvaccinated staff are working or what?

It's not OK for unvaccinated customers to be indoors with unvaccinated staff and other unvaccinated customers.

This isn't rocket science.

Indoors, social distancing isn't worth sh1t. No amount of metres between tables or plastic partitions protects you from the virus.

rob316

The reopening of indoor dining is expected to be delayed until July 19 while a system to allow vaccinated people or those who have been infected with Covid-19 in the last nine months to dine inside is developed.

I knew it, you still won't be able to dine indoors after the 19th until you are fully vaccinated. This is crazy.

We need to be out on the streets, NPHET are gone too far.

PhoneMain

NIMAN wrote: »

2170?
Why not 2070, or 2190, or 2500?

Sure just throw out a random figure, keep the culture of fear alive, keep ourselves (NPHET) relevant, keep all the celeb experts on the TV and radio for another 6 months. McConkey, O'Neill and all never want this to end.

In fairness, McConkey was very refreshing yesterday on the need to live with Covid. I dont get the anger towards O'Neill, he's been continuously advocating solutions to ending the pandemic e.g. mass antigen and is unequivocal about the success of vaccinations. Since January he's been saying the pandemic is heading towards the end.

AdamD

Also how do we get 7 months into the year before they propose an internal vaccine passport? I fundamentally disagree with the premise, but if they actually wanted to do it they should have been organising it months ago. This is the standard of planning that's deciding whether industries open or not, infuriating stuff.

leahyl

PhoneMain wrote: »

In fairness, McConkey was very refreshing yesterday on the need to live with Covid. I dont get the anger towards O'Neill, he's been continuously advocating solutions to ending the pandemic e.g. mass antigen and is unequivocal about the success of vaccinations. Since January he's been saying the pandemic is heading towards the end.

Yeah to be fair to Luke O’Neill he seems to have been nothing but positive since the beginning!

TomTomTim

seamus wrote: »

It's not OK for unvaccinated customers to be indoors with unvaccinated staff and other unvaccinated customers.

This isn't rocket science.

Indoors, social distancing isn't worth sh1t. No amount of metres between tables or plastic partitions protects you from the virus.

Yet it was last summer?

funnydoggy

leahyl wrote: »

Some guy on radio now saying that we are heading for Nazi Germany style society….that’s perhaps a little exaggerated…

Mother of god this guy is annoying

Hurrache

rob316 wrote: »

I knew it, you still won't be able to dine indoors after the 19th until you are fully vaccinated. This is crazy.

We need to be out on the streets, NPHET are gone too far.

"NPHET are gone too far". What have they actually done and implemented that you think they're gone too far on?

jakiah

rob316 wrote: »

I knew it, you still won't be able to dine indoors after the 19th until you are fully vaccinated. This is crazy.

We need to be out on the streets, NPHET are gone too far.

They are actually incentivising young people getting the ****ing virus now

Whatsisname

seamus wrote: »

It's not OK for unvaccinated customers to be indoors with unvaccinated staff and other unvaccinated customers.

This isn't rocket science.

Indoors, social distancing isn't worth sh1t. No amount of metres between tables or plastic partitions protects you from the virus.

It was fine last summer but now we have vaccines and the vulnerable are largely protected so now its not ok to be around the great unwashed so they can sit outside in the pissing rain instead. Nice one.

Sweet.Science

leahyl wrote: »

In more positive news….I’m getting my first vaccine today :-P

You will be allowed sit at the door of a restaurant now. Not outside with the peasants and not inside with the Stonecutters .

leahyl

Sweet.Science wrote: »

You will be allowed sit at the door of a restaurant now. Not outside with the peasants and not inside with the Stonecutters .

:-P ah lads, if we didn’t laugh, we’d cry!

bloopy

seamus wrote: »

It's not OK for unvaccinated customers to be indoors with unvaccinated staff and other unvaccinated customers.

This isn't rocket science.

Indoors, social distancing isn't worth sh1t. No amount of metres between tables or plastic partitions protects you from the virus.

Why is it ok in the rest of Europe?
Why are we special?
What information do we have that the rest of the EU or even the States do not have?
What exactly are the metrics for reopening?

average_runner

Who is going to serve the food and drinks in these indoor areas? Most under 30 are not vaccinated
I am totally against this, its not fair on the younger generation. I will be fully vaccinated next week, but still think the government is wrong here.

How is our data different to Europe?

the kelt

Leftwaffe wrote: »

McConkey was on NT this morning and said his modelling predicted 200 to 500 deaths for the rest of 2021...

WHAT?

This is Mc Conkey, if hes predicting that and hes always been pessimistic bordering on doom yet NPHET come up with what they came up with.

Whats actually going on?

Beasty

Threads merged

leahyl

This is possibly the biggest decision of Michael Martins political career….he’s gonna f**k it up, isn’t he?!

normanoffside

#disbandNPHET is trending number 1 on Irish twitter

average_runner

leahyl wrote: »

This is possibly the biggest decision of Michael Martins political career….he’s gonna f**k it up, isn’t he?!

And Leo. Both are in it together

The Nal

normanoffside wrote: »

#disbandNPHET is trending number 1 on Irish twitter

Dempo1

Can some confirm if NPHET actually advised this Vacinated only re indoor dining/Pubs, or is it the case, they didn't object to this bizzare notion. I'm getting a sense of an impression NPHET actually recommended this but I'm not sure they actually did.

is_that_so

AdamD wrote: »

Also how do we get 7 months into the year before they propose an internal vaccine passport? I fundamentally disagree with the premise, but if they actually wanted to do it they should have been organising it months ago. This is the standard of planning that's deciding whether industries open or not, infuriating stuff.

It's not been planned because they never intended to do it but this latest NPHET missive is effectively forcing them into it, it's also not a government idea either. As a concept it's pretty unworkable.

is_that_so

Dempo1 wrote: »

Can some confirm if NPHET actually advised this Vacinated only re indoor dining/Pubs, or is it the case, they didn't object to this bizzare notion. I'm getting a sense the impression NPHET actually recommended this but I'm not sure they actually did.

Yeah, they have recommended this as a sop to the delay.

SusanC10

Dempo1 wrote: »

Can some confirm if NPHET actually advised this Vacinated only re indoor dining/Pubs, or is it the case, they didn't object to this bizzare notion. I'm getting a sense of an impression NPHET actually recommended this but I'm not sure they actually did.

I want to read the NPHET letter for myself. I don't think it has been published yet - I can't find it anyway