Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Leinster90

opinionated3 wrote: »

I have four friends, aged in the late forties/early fifties who refuse to take the vaccine, for one reason or another. While I disagree with their stance, are we really headed for a society where you will be forced to take these things or else you can't enjoy life? This is dangerous territory IMO.

I personally would be fine with that. Nobody is forcing them to be vaccinated. In fact, pubs and restaurants will probably be better off without loony anti-vaxxers around.

If people want to live in a conspiracy-theory delusion, that’s their choice. But it doesn't mean we have to respect it or accommodate them in normal society.

MerlinSouthDub

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Like I said, great craic

https://twitter.com/McConnellDaniel/status/1409826218334171137?s=20

Good! At least some members of the cabinet are trying to stop this nonsense.

Stheno

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Like I said, great craic

https://twitter.com/McConnellDaniel/status/1409826218334171137?s=20

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1409827112400293890?s=19

Leftwaffe

Leinster90 wrote: »

I personally would be fine with that. Nobody is forcing them to be vaccinated. In fact, pubs and restaurants will probably be better off without loony anti-vaxxers around.

If people want to live in a conspiracy-theory delusion, that’s their choice. But it doesn't mean we have to respect it or accommodate them in normal society.

What happens if someone has a condition that does not enable them to be vaccinated? Stay at home for the rest of their lives?

Genuine question.

tommybrees

Leinster90 wrote: »

I personally would be fine with that. Nobody is forcing them to be vaccinated. In fact, pubs and restaurants will probably be better off without loony anti-vaxxers around.

If people want to live in a conspiracy-theory delusion, that’s their choice. But it doesn't mean we have to respect it or accommodate them in normal society.

So if people started banning people who ARE vaccinated from doing what's your stance?

stephenjmcd

funnydoggy wrote: »

The way you worded that, absolutely hilarious :pac:

It's how it reads to me, like an episode of faulty towers

Leftwaffe

Indoor hospitality off until July 19th in order to implement NPHET recommendation to allow vaccinated people inside or people who have recovered in last 9 months.

Gael23

No business that has been closed for the best part of 8 months will turn away a paying customer.

Fact

Jinglejangle69

Remember Tony's comment about the dark cloud on the horizon?

Fully convinced now he has to be seen to be correct at all costs.

His ego is massive.

Leftwaffe

So Summer essentially gone for indoor hospitality.

francogarbanzo

Leinster90 wrote: »

I personally would be fine with that. Nobody is forcing them to be vaccinated. In fact, pubs and restaurants will probably be better off without loony anti-vaxxers around.

If people want to live in a conspiracy-theory delusion, that’s their choice. But it doesn't mean we have to respect it or accommodate them in normal society.

Last year: "Vaccine passports make sense for international travel! Of course we're not going to have vaccine passports to go shopping or to the pub. That's ridiculous conspiracy theory nonsense!"

Now: "Of course we're going to have vaccine passports to dine indoors and go into pubs! It's a great idea! Being skeptical about the covid vaccine is ridiculous conspiracy theory nonsense!"

seamus

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Like I said, great craic

https://twitter.com/McConnellDaniel/status/1409826218334171137?s=20

It sounds like when LV was saying "we'll likely just do what NPHET say", he was assuming that NPHET would be pessimistic but reasonable.

funnydoggy

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Remember Tony's comment about the dark cloud on the horizon?

Fully convinced now he has to be seen to be correct at all costs.

His ego is massive.

The dark cloud is NPHET.

franciscanpunk

what can i say for once I'm not completely against what Nphet have to say! There has to be distinctions made between those vaccinated and those not. I'm currently not due to age

I don't see the problem, this should be the start of a message to say once you are vaccinated you can resume life as you were, no restrictions at all for vaccinated people fully within the next 2 months has to be the goal though.

Vaccines are obviously optional but there has to be a reward for taking it and consequences of not. Should be no delay though, open up to fully vaccinated people from tomorrow for any business that wants to open like this. scrap the half 11 tables of 6 bull**** too and the same for outdoor.

The whole spin the government are putting out that the never expected this advise is just a continuation of the **** show, surely this was a possible option. Let the vaccinated resume life fully.

Leinster90

tommybrees wrote: »

So if people started banning people who ARE vaccinated from doing what's your stance?

Well that wouldn't happen because vaccinated people aren't a threat to public health in the way unvaccinated people are, so the question is moot.

It will do the anti-vaxxers some good to be confronted with the reality of being held accountable for their wacky beliefs.

stephenjmcd

Well then.... cabinet does seem to have been a mess

https://twitter.com/McConnellDaniel/status/1409827924107087873?s=20

Stheno

seamus wrote: »

It sounds like when LV was saying "we'll likely just do what NPHET say", he was assuming that NPHET would be pessimistic but reasonable.

I don't think anyone expected what NPHET came out with

Repo101

Cabinet need to re-open hospitality. NPHET have proven to be risk adverse and their predictions have been more wrong than right. The estimation of 680k per The Times (Ireland edition) shows that they are absolutely focused in on the worst case scenario which is extremely unlikely.

However, the issue is the government and how weak they have continually responded to this pandemic. I know it has become commonplace for government to surround themselves with advisors to absolve themselves of blame but NPHET's remit does not include the economy. Advisors advise and governments govern, perhaps it would be helpful if someone reminded Varadkar, Martin and Ryan of their responsibility.

Also, journalists have also shown themselves to be useless throughout the whole pandemic. Claire Byrne and Shane Coleman in particular should receive a welfare check as they appear to be twitching the curtains too often.

VinLieger

Unspecified date?????? get on to fvck with that sh1t, we are a joke everybody else is open and here we are fvcking our economy every way we can

bloopy

francogarbanzo wrote: »

Last year: "Vaccine passports make sense for international travel! Of course we're not going to have vaccine passports to go shopping or to the pub. That's ridiculous conspiracy theory nonsense!"

Now: "Of course we're going to have vaccine passports to dine indoors and go into pubs! It's a great idea! Being skeptical about the covid vaccine is ridiculous conspiracy theory nonsense!"

The goal posts keep shifting and some in here are still running to catch up.
Most of the rest are wondering why are they bothering.

Stheno

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Well then.... cabinet does seem to have been a mess

https://twitter.com/McConnellDaniel/status/1409827924107087873?s=20

Good god thats appallung

ALL indoor measures?

stephenjmcd

Stheno wrote: »

Good god thats appallung

ALL door measures?

Let's wait and see what comes, I'd be surprised if weddings didn't go up to 50.

VinLieger

There is going to be violence over this

TomTomTim

Leinster90 wrote: »

I personally would be fine with that. Nobody is forcing them to be vaccinated. In fact, pubs and restaurants will probably be better off without loony anti-vaxxers around.

If people want to live in a conspiracy-theory delusion, that’s their choice. But it doesn't mean we have to respect it or accommodate them in normal society.

So out of touch. Your average publican just wants a constant stream of custom, very few of them would be hurrying to discriminate willingly. Most people in this country are decent, and would see great issue with separating society on these terms.

Leftwaffe

That's that folks. No indoor hospitality this Summer. Possibly for all of 2021 if cases increase as predicted. This was our only shot.

Book yere flights for July 19th. Actually don't. That probably won't happen either.

timmyntc

Stheno wrote: »

Good god thats appallung

ALL indoor measures?

Mind boggling.
Not one member of cabinet thought to question the authenticity of NPHETs figures & modelling?

No country with delta variant has seen such rises - and no country in Europe with indoor dining opened has seen such rises either. Unique predictions for Ireland which will very likely, not hold true.

tommybrees

Leinster90 wrote: »

Well that wouldn't happen because vaccinated people aren't a threat to public health in the way unvaccinated people are, so the question is moot.

It will do the anti-vaxxers some good to be confronted with the reality of being held accountable for their wacky beliefs.

A threat to who? The people who are vaccinated?
Imagine if we started testing people for all sorts of illness and then said you can't come on this bus because you have HIV or you can't go to this pub because you have diabetes and might collapse on the floor.

Leftwaffe

VinLieger wrote: »

There is going to be violence over this

There's really not. We are a docile population. Nothing will happen. Few lads roaring down the telly and that's it.

Beechwoodspark

VinLieger wrote: »

There is going to be violence over this

Ah would ya stop

stephenjmcd

No agreement at cabinet so 2 weeks to try figure something out

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1409830517348913155?s=20