Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

FintanMcluskey

Deleted User wrote: »

I though Mr Deng would be akin to lucifer here? Whereas in fact is is an unmitigated self publicist looking for whatever get him most attention.

Now for months you have been telling us that this only kills the vulnerable, so when evidence emerges that the most vulnerable, those already in healthcare, have suffered the greatest it’s suddenly evidence of our failure. Imagine what it would have been like if we just let it rip.

I’m not sure how cost effective community mitigation measure’s were, realistically what happens outside those healthcare settings has little effect within them.

That’s probably why the rest of the globe didn’t insist on lockdown like Ireland did

Klonker

normanoffside wrote: »

Mina has picked up the attitude of the government and NPHET very quickly.
Don't trust the people. Don't give them any responsibility

https://twitter.com/michaelmina_lab/status/1392227697510785026

About time this was highlighted. Its not just antigen tests though, it's been like this throughout the whole pandemic. NPHET have never trusted the public to behave even though behavioural studies show we are the most compliant nation in the EU for sticking to restrictions.

Tony H didn't even trust us to put a mask on. It galls me anytime I hear him give the public any praise because you can tell its not sincere, he thinks we are a bunch of drunkard gobeens.

Ha Long Bay

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

He’s right though

The amount of people I’ve heard say they are content with a haircut this week is absurd. Like some weird Stockholm syndrome

I’d be more content if I had the freedom the french people have

The infantilism of the Irish public is complete

French people cannot leave their house between 7pm and 6am. I don't see how you class that as freedom.

normanoffside

Klonker wrote: »

About time this was highlighted. Its not just antigen tests though, it's been like this throughout the whole pandemic. NPHET have never trusted the public to behave even though behavioural studies show we are the most compliant nation in the EU for sticking to restrictions.

Tony H didn't even trust us to put a mask on. It galls me anytime I hear him give the public any praise because you can tell its not sincere, he thinks we are a bunch of drunkard gobeens.

NPHET and the HSE don’t trust us but expect us to trust them despite the fact that 61% of infections leading to deaths occurred inside their facilities.

PTH2009

Klonker wrote: »

About time this was highlighted. Its not just antigen tests though, it's been like this throughout the whole pandemic. NPHET have never trusted the public to behave even though behavioural studies show we are the most compliant nation in the EU for sticking to restrictions.

Tony H didn't even trust us to put a mask on. It galls me anytime I hear him give the public any praise because you can tell its not sincere, he thinks we are a bunch of drunkard gobeens.

Yeah our lives were basically on hold (and are still) the last year but these decision makers will never be asked the hard questions and why us Irish people suffered through one of the longest lockdowns in Europe

But we can't forget 'd Variants' and fourth waves and all that. Sure we had our own 'new virus' here the start of the year

dubdaymo

normanoffside wrote: »

Mina has picked up the attitude of the government and NPHET very quickly.
Don't trust the people. Don't give them any responsibility

It's not just that. It's much more serious than that.

Holohan is a Control Freak. Some of the major symptoms and he tests positive for all of them:

One who has an obsessive need to exert control over people and situations.

Always trying to win the argument or have the last word.

Ridiculing people when they disagree with him.

Judging or criticising others.

Refusal to admit when they're wrong.

Klonker

PTH2009 wrote: »

Yeah our lives were basically on hold (and are still) the last year but these decision makers will never be asked the hard questions and why us Irish people suffered through one of the longest lockdowns in Europe

But we can't forget 'd Variants' and fourth waves and all that. Sure we had our own 'new virus' here the start of the year

Don't forget we've the youngest population in Europe also. Don't expect RTE to bring up a relevant point like that, more like to hear gems like "the variants are scary".

normanoffside

dubdaymo wrote: »

It's not just that. It's much more serious than that.

Holohan is a Control Freak. Some of the major symptoms and he tests positive for all of them:

One who has an obsessive need to exert control over people and situations.

Always trying to win the argument or have the last word.

Ridiculing people when they disagree with him.

Judging or criticising others.

Refusal to admit when they're wrong.

Yes especially on the last point.
I have never heard him once admit that anything he has said or done was wrong or a mistake.
He even refused to apologise at one of the press conferences when a journalist brought up something about his past mistakes ( which cannot be mentioned here).

I have heard Glynn apologise on several occasions when he has said something that was later taken up wrong etc. Tony is incapable of admitting any mistake.

Mullaghteelin

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

It appears Ireland is starting to gain negative attention globally from those well regarded in the science and healthcare sector

Having the globes longest lockdown (and it’s associated health issues) despite the fact that community mitigation measures would have minimal effect on transmission in healthcare facilities

The medics in NPHET are starting sweat id say, after all the dogs on the street across the globe are starting to ask questions

It mentions denial of airborne spread. All the time spent making us repeat the mantra 'wash your hands " was part of this. Airborne spread undermined their insistance that schools were safe, and undermined the idea we were safe provided we kept 2 metres apart.
Airborne spread meant hospitals and nursing homes were screwed from the get go.
All inconveniences they wouldn't admit to.

gozunda

normanoffside wrote: »

Yeah our Health system is just a mismanaged mess

It was also reported today that 15% of our total deaths (750) were in people who contracted Covid inside Hospitals. I'd say that's the majority of people who actually died with covid in Hospitals
That coupled with care homes means that over half our deaths actually caught it in healthcare settings...

Why would you 'say' something bizarre like that?

Not everybody who gets covid dies & not all those treated in hospital for covid die either

So why do you believe that only those who acquired covid whilst in hospital - were the only ones to die in hospital of the disease?

It makes no sense whatsoever....

Del Griffith

normanoffside wrote: »

The health system is getting overwhelmed for the first time in 15 months.

https://twitter.com/ingridmileyRTE/status/1392139791744053252

Sad to say but is this not standard for Ireland?

https://twitter.com/INMO_IRL/status/1200400332095922176?s=19

She might aswell just tweet that the health services are returning to normal.

If we are to stay restricted waiting for no one on trolleys, we're looking at a very very long time while a useless government attempts to repair a long neglected and decimated health service. That's nothing to do with covid though.

beggars_bush

Klonker wrote: »

Don't forget we've the youngest population in Europe also. Don't expect RTE to bring up a relevant point like that, more like to hear gems like "the variants are scary".

Some rural counties in Ireland have a much older population.

is_that_so

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

He’s right though

The amount of people I’ve heard say they are content with a haircut this week is absurd. Like some weird Stockholm syndrome

I’d be more content if I had the freedom the french people have

The infantilism of the Irish public is complete

This is what is called sucking the oxygen out of the room. Life really is about the small things, the haircut, the lovely day, the people you meet. It's also about learning to ignore all those other irritating little things in life, like caring what other people do.

FintanMcluskey

is_that_so wrote: »

This is what is called sucking the oxygen out of the room. Life really is about the small things, the haircut, the lovely day, the people you meet. It's also about learning to ignore all those other irritating little things in life, like caring what other people do.

Absolutely life is certainly about the little things

The Irish citizen was the only one who had then denied by a quango of overpaid civil servants who enjoy posting uneducated waffle on social media

And now that they’ve allowed those simple freedoms back after almost 5 months all is forgotten

Those well regarded in medicine and science across the globe are asking now about Ireland, at last

is_that_so

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Absolutely life is certainly about the little things

The Irish citizen was the only one who had then denied by a quango of overpaid civil servants who enjoy posting uneducated waffle on social media

And now that they’ve allowed those simple freedoms back after almost 5 months all is forgotten

Medics across the globe are asking now about Ireland, at last

What have medics got to do with anything?

_Kaiser_

Couple of interesting articles in the paper this morning

- Cost of rent has doubled in the last few years. Not helped by allowing investment funds buy up large amounts of stock of course, but shutting down most construction for the last year wasn't exactly helpful either

- 376 people were on trolleys yesterday. Despite the extra billions thrown at the health service in the last 14/15 months, it seems none of this made it to addressing the underlying issues

... And so begins the reporting of the deeper costs of shutting down a country for a year for a virus that 99.7/9% of people were at no real risk from.

Expect to see a lot more of this as the media start looking to fill the pages and articles freed up by the diminishing coverage of the "crisis" and we find out just how much damage has been done in all those other areas that have been ignored as a result.

_Kaiser_

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Couple of interesting articles in the paper this morning

- Cost of rent has doubled in the last few years. Not helped by allowing investment funds buy up large amounts of stock of course, but shutting down most construction for the last year wasn't exactly helpful either

- 376 people were on trolleys yesterday. Despite the extra billions thrown at the health service in the last 14/15 months, it seems none of this made it to addressing the underlying issues

... And so begins the reporting of the deeper costs of shutting down a country for a year for a virus that 99.7/9% of people were at no real risk from.

Expect to see a lot more of this as the media start looking to fill the pages and articles freed up by the diminishing coverage of the "crisis" and we find out just how much damage has been done in all those other areas that have been ignored as a result.

Repeating this often enough does not make it true

suicide_circus

normanoffside wrote: »

Mina has picked up the attitude of the government and NPHET very quickly.
Don't trust the people. Don't give them any responsibility

https://twitter.com/michaelmina_lab/status/1392227697510785026

Impudent pup, questioning the sacred science, and worse, questioning Tony!

hamburgham

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Those well regarded in medicine and science across the globe are asking now about Ireland, at last

And seemingly the video of the girl being pushed under the train was trending internationally yesterday. Deafening silence on that one from authorities and politicians. The extent of the mismanagement of this country can no longer be hidden.

Just need some international focus now on the money grabbing legal profession, compo culture and the lack of an actual justice system.

Oh and also the fact that our ridiculous response to Covid which is now receiving international attention for all the wrong reasons was presided over by amongst the highest paid public servants in the world.

_Kaiser_

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Repeating this often enough does not make it true

And one line responses that ignore the substance of a post do not make a counter-argument no matter how much it's tried.

Boggles

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Couple of interesting articles in the paper this morning

That you have decided in your head is all down to mitigating for a once in a generation pandemic.

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

- Cost of rent has doubled in the last few years. Not helped by allowing investment funds buy up large amounts of stock of course, but shutting down most construction for the last year wasn't exactly helpful either

There was 21,087 completions in 2019 compared to 20,676 for 2020.

Again ghosts must have built of them.

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

- 376 people were on trolleys yesterday. Despite the extra billions thrown at the health service in the last 14/15 months, it seems none of this made it to addressing the underlying issues

There was 391 for the corresponding Monday in 2019.

But yeah you are right during a health crisis we should have been able to fix a health system that has not been fit for purpose for 20 years. :rolleyes:

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

... And so begins the reporting of the deeper costs of shutting down a country for a year for a virus that 99.7/9% of people were at no real risk from.

Repeated blatant falsehood.

Silentcorner

Deleted User wrote: »

There you go again, pushing those that don’t fawn over the groupthink to the “extreme” box. I will have you know some in the main thread and the schools thread have dismissed me as being a Covid denier.

Big differences between north east US and sun belt or Scandinavia and Central Europe are to be expected for a myriad or reasons, however when you have two incredibly similar populations, and opposing approaches, the comparisons are as close to a controlled experiment as you could get. If MA and NY or FL and AZ had opposite approaches they could have served as good test cases also.

I'm sorry, but advocating or supporting hard lock downs, in this country level 5 lock downs, is an extreme position, just because it has been normalized over the last 14 months doesn't change the fact that the vast majority of our civil liberties have been removed from a huge percentage of us.

Tell us then, how do you explain North and South Dakota?

The fact is, you cannot argue conclusively that hard lock downs work...we are 14 months into this...does that not ring alarm bells?

Boggles

Silentcorner wrote: »

Tell us then, how do you explain North and South Dakota?

The fact is, you cannot argue conclusively that hard lock downs work...we are 14 months into this...does that not ring alarm bells?

We have done considerably better than both, what was your point?

Also you didn't allow any comparisons before, but now parochial 'areas' anywhere are now fair game.

Silentcorner wrote: »

We have a different climate, different health status, different population density, the only commonality is that we are humans and in Europe...we do not all share the same trajectory for seasonal viral infections....just like the US and the 50 different states.

You'll wreck your knees shifting the goal posts that often.

Silentcorner

Boggles wrote: »

We have done considerably better than both, what was your point?

Also you didn't allow any comparisons before, but now parochial 'areas' anywhere are now fair game.



You'll wreck your knees shifting the goal posts that often.

Understanding the different elements that affect how the virus travels through a population in different parts of the world is not shifting the goalposts...it's science, I wouldn't expect the one size fits all merchants to understand that!

Boggles

Silentcorner wrote: »

Understanding the different elements that affect how the virus travels through a population in different parts of the world is not shifting the goalposts...it's science, I wouldn't expect the one size fits all merchants to understand that!

It's you that have ruled out any comparisons anywhere.

Not very scientific is it?

Silentcorner wrote: »

We have a different climate, different health status, different population density, the only commonality is that we are humans and in Europe...we do not all share the same trajectory for seasonal viral infections....just like the US and the 50 different states.

Gosh when you look at England they are so far ahead in their reopening loads of things to do legoland and places like that so much more in terms of entertainment and recreation, masks for schools kids going on May 17, out door dining well up and running. So so slow here though.

gozunda

hamburgham wrote: »

And seemingly the video of the girl being pushed under the train was trending internationally yesterday. Deafening silence on that one from authorities and politicians. The extent of the mismanagement of this country can no longer be hidden.

Just need some international focus now on the money grabbing legal profession, compo culture and the lack of an actual justice system.

Oh and also the fact that our ridiculous response to Covid which is now receiving international attention for all the wrong reasons was presided over by amongst the highest paid public servants in the world.

International attention? From whom?

The article detailed here earlier that "approximately 15 per cent of all coronavirus-related deaths in Ireland have been of people who contracted the virus while in an acute hospital, according to a report from the Health Protection Surveillance Centre (HPSC)."

It also detailed that the "Health Service Executive told TG4’s Nuacht that the number of hospital-acquired Covid-19 deaths is proportionally in line with those anticipated in communications from the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control (ECDC)"

Now I haven't seen the European figures but a quick search indicates that hospital acquired infection is a feature of this disease across the globe

In a UK a Health Service Journal analysis of NHS England data found that around one in four covid cases was probably caught by hospital inpatients initially admitted for other reasons.   The rates were over one in three in some hospitals and had risen by 35% in one week.

What we do know with this virus is that in congregated settings, higher infection rates are linked to transmissiblity from those already infected. In other words lots of infected people together - the risk of infection will rise.

And what "ridiculous response"? Would that "ridiculous response" include having achieved overall low case numbers and a low death rate compared to many other countries?

But yes Ireland is the worsest ever. I sometimes wonder why we have anyone left living here at all...

Btw scumbags pushing a girl under a train and people watching said footage on social media is a measure of what exactly?

Silentcorner

Silentcorner wrote: »

Understanding the different elements that affect how the virus travels through a population in different parts of the world is not shifting the goalposts...it's science, I wouldn't expect the one size fits all merchants to understand that!

Including the word science in your posts does not in anyway confer any scientific merit on baseless contentions.

Silentcorner

Deleted User wrote: »

Including the word science in your posts does not in anyway confer any scientific merit on baseless contentions.

Of course the same applies to the overpaid health bureaucrats and politicians who have been doing just that since this all began....

We just witnessed one of our leading health bureaucrats get a spanking for suggesting that selling antigen tests is akin to selling snake oil....that man has been involved at the highest level of decision making in this country....and has shown himself to be a charlatan.

normanoffside

Tony doesn’t know when he is beat. He is doubling down against Antigen testing even though Donnelly has already chastised Nolan for his tweets.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/holohan-expresses-concerns-about-antigen-testing-to-donnelly-1.4562441?fbclid=IwAR01QRfMLTJBXMqOzs58EiXKTBYG2shKgVzOnQjwG14W542N9zstpbJgAew