Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Boggles

dalyboy wrote: »

Haha. You’ve got a sense of humour anyway.

I certainly do.

I find it hilarious someone would substitute the minor inconvenience of throwing on a face covering, whether that be washable or disposable in favor of the grossly inconvenient and expensive turtle neck option.

Queuing for ice cream in shorts and a turtle neck.

Brilliant

:pac:

prunudo

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I’m interested in the bit in bold

Ireland, has been the globes most suppressed nation since March 2020 and has delivered its promises on being incredibly cautious right to next week despite the data from other countries showing certain activities were safe like outdoor amenities, construction etc.

A cautious approach that was continually defended by yourself and others as recently as Tuesday

This caution evaporated Tuesday night despite the messaging being incredibly different in the days previously

Now your trying to tell me you “spotted the trends”?

The level of revisionist history and back pedalling by many posters on this and the main covid thread to defend the governments rapid speed of opening up is amazing. Many of us have called for things to open up quicker, especially since early March, but to say allowing countrywide travel from early May was always the plan is laughable. So much so that its actually hard to take many of the posters who constantly defend the government/nphet approach at face value anymore.

dalyboy

Gortanna wrote: »

They could justify it by saying case numbers are high. If the media start reporting 20,000 cases (which they will), but leave out the zero hospitalisations bit (which they will), then most people will panic.

And then there's the 'potential variants' thing. The extension of furlough until September was the giveaway. That and mask wearing and social distancing continuing beyond the 21st of June when case numbers and deaths are on the floor in the UK.

Yeah I guess the good ole reliable RTE propaganda will start up around the end of August to facilitate for sure.

I just don’t know how many people are going to buy into another round of preamble though. If DEATHS are non-existent (potentially for the preceding 3-4 months at that point as a result of vaccine effectiveness) and hospitals are empty there’ll be very little actual buy in.

Additionally, how can we pay for it ? It’ll definitely herald in the IMF etc for bail out number 2.

Boggles

prunudo wrote: »

The level of revisionist history and back pedalling by many posters on this and the main covid thread to defend the governments rapid speed

What rapid speed of reopening?

What is opening has been touted for weeks.

There is still no concrete dates for July?

TrangiaCoffee

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I'm not saying they don't work. Governments in countries I mentioned are by refusing to lift all restrictions.

Covid is more or less over in the UK and yet covid marshals are being recruited to work until 2022, and possibly 2023. Even if they don't have power, it still suggests that measures will be in place.

And there's also the two year Covid Public Information Campaign: https://www.find-tender.service.gov.uk/Notice/005534-2021?origin=SearchResults&p=1

The pace of people being vaccinated might not be up to speed to the pace of vaccinated people becoming out of date and needing a booster, so there will be going in and out of lockdown for possibly the rest of the decade.

It might be similar to this year. A few holidays/ reprieve for a month or two and the rest in lockdown.

Of course permanent lockdown deniers will be hanging on to the technicality of a month off breaking the 'permanent streak'.

Micky 32

TomSweeney wrote: »

Yet they are hiring little jackboot thugs (covid marshalls) till into 2023 apparently ...

With no enforcement powers whatsoever.

prunudo

Boggles wrote: »

What rapid speed of reopening?

What is opening has been touted for weeks.

There is still no concrete dates for July?

If you quoted my whole post you'll see the part where I mentioned countrywide travel. Also the advice about meeting people in gardens has drastically changed. For the better, may I add.

gozunda

[Deleted User] wrote: »

They could justify it by saying case numbers are high. If the media start reporting 20,000 cases (which they will), but leave out the zero hospitalisations bit (which they will), then most people will panic.

And then there's the 'potential variants' thing. The extension of furlough until September was the giveaway. That and mask wearing and social distancing continuing beyond the 21st of June when case numbers and deaths are on the floor in the UK.

So we're firmly back in the swamp of wild speculation having travelled there through the plain of utter exaggeration?

OK so..

Micky 32

TrangiaCoffee wrote: »

The pace of people being vaccinated might not be up to speed to the pace of vaccinated people becoming out of date and needing a boostee.

Do you have a link and evidence that the vaccine will expire in our bodies soon? Or did you pull that one out of your butt?

robbiezero

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I’m interested in the bit in bold

Ireland, has been the globes most suppressed nation since March 2020 and has delivered its promises on being incredibly cautious right to next week despite the data from other countries showing certain activities were safe like outdoor amenities, construction etc.

A cautious approach that was continually defended by yourself and others as recently as Tuesday

This caution evaporated Tuesday night despite the messaging being incredibly different in the days previously

Now your trying to tell me you “spotted the trends”?

Funny stuff alright. Tony came out at some stage last week and said that "we are not where we need to be". Usual suspects climbing over themselves to agree with that and urge caution and "holding firm", "Good man Tony", "India blah" and the customary horse s**t.

A few days later its "Yes we are where we need to be, can start opening up" (Still far too slowly IMO, but I don't really care at this stage, its not affecting me too much) from Tony and its
"Good man Tony", "We knew it all along", "Timing is exactly right" chorus from the same suspects.

Micky 32

Micky 32 wrote: »

With no enforcement powers whatsoever.

Why would they be recruiting them if the country will have reached herd immunity, if it hasn't already, by the time their contract begins? They are being recruited to ensure compliance with measures. So there will be measures in place post herd immunity.

TrangiaCoffee

Micky 32 wrote: »

Do you have a link and evidence that the vaccine will expire in our bodies soon? Or did you pull that one out of your butt?

Why do you think Ireland has ordered 20 million vaccines by the end of 2023?

Penfailed

Leftwaffe wrote: »

We are being told to enjoy the Summer months, the next 10-12 weeks, etc. as its plain to see they're gonna put us back in lockdown come September/October or before it.

There is trouble afoot in this country IMO.

That's not plain to see. You're making it up.

Boggles

prunudo wrote: »

If you quoted my whole post you'll see the part where I mentioned countrywide travel. Also the advice about meeting people in gardens has drastically changed. For the better, may I add.

Travel restrictions are more less on the same path as last year.

People in gardens equates to a rapid reopening?

Reopening has always been contingent on vaccine and vaccine supply.

We have secured that in the past fortnight.

I think people are trying to divert from the nonsense that was peddled that once Tony came back it would be straight to level 6.

dalyboy

Boggles wrote: »

I certainly do.

I find it hilarious someone would substitute the minor inconvenience of throwing on a face covering, whether that be washable or disposable in favor of the grossly inconvenient and expensive turtle neck option.

Queuing for ice cream in shorts and a turtle neck.

Brilliant

:pac:

Why would I be wearing my turtle neck queuing for an ice cream if I’m outdoors. Wait ..... are you an outdoor mask wearer ? If you are you’ve my condolences on your sanity .

Penfailed

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Exactly right. Another lockdown in September/October. There will be a lockdown in the UK in September/October too. That's why furlough was extended until September and why covid marshals are being recruited to work until 2022 and possibly 2023. But any attempt at a discussion of this is dismissed as a conspiracy theory.

Let's wait and see, yeah? You seem certain that it will happen. I think it's very unlikely.

dalyboy

dalyboy wrote: »

Yeah I guess the good ole reliable RTE propaganda will start up around the end of August to facilitate for sure.

I just don’t know how many people are going to buy into another round of preamble though. If DEATHS are non-existent (potentially for the preceding 3-4 months at that point as a result of vaccine effectiveness) and hospitals are empty there’ll be very little actual buy in.

Additionally, how can we pay for it ? It’ll definitely herald in the IMF etc for bail out number 2.

Yep. And Ireland doesn't have a functioning fourth estate, so, unlike in England where opposition comes from Talk Radio, The Telegraph, The Daily Mail, The Daily Express (to an extent) in the media, and from the Covid Recovery Group in politics, RTÉ can report whatever they want knowing there will be no opposition.

I actually think the majority would go along with it. '1,000 cases today' sounds scary.

gozunda

prunudo wrote: »

The level of revisionist history and back pedalling by many posters on this and the main covid thread to defend the governments rapid speed of opening up is amazing. Many of us have called for things to open up quicker, especially since early March, but to say allowing countrywide travel from early May was always the plan is laughable. So much so that its actually hard to take many of the posters who constantly defend the government/nphet approach at face value anymore.

I reckon the amount of gross generalisation and misrepresentation of many discussions between posters is a much bigger problem here. But hey no matter - that seems part of the course...

I must have missed that particular post. Link?

Boggles

dalyboy wrote: »

Why would I be wearing my turtle neck queuing for an ice cream if I’m outdoors. Wait ..... are you an outdoor mask wearer ? If you are you’ve my condolences on your sanity .

Who said anything about outdoors?

It's not very hard to understand.

You don't like masks, so much you have decide to buy 30 jumpers as a substitute.

All power to you.

Micky 32

TrangiaCoffee wrote: »

Why do you think Ireland has ordered 20 million vaccines by the end of 2023?

Abundance of caution just in case we need them. I have no objection for being prepared.

gozunda

gozunda wrote: »

So we're firmly back in the swamp of wild speculation having travelled there through the plain of utter exaggeration?

OK so..

I was referring to the UK with the 20,000 cases. In Ireland it'd be 1,000 cases. It's not realistic to believe that the media will stop reporting on case numbers.

Penfailed

Penfailed wrote: »

Let's wait and see, yeah? You seem certain that it will happen. I think it's very unlikely.

Yes, I'm certain. But I agree, let's see what happens.

Lumen

Boggles wrote: »

You don't like masks, so much you have decide to buy 30 jumpers as a substitute.

All power to you.

I have to say I'm impressed by the commitment to this course of action, although unconvinced of the efficacy.

Aside from anything else, some stretched wool or cotton is not going to present a very effective droplet barrier.

pjohnson

Lumen wrote: »

I have to say I'm impressed by the commitment to this course of action, although unconvinced of the efficacy.

Aside from anything else, some stretched wool or cotton is not going to present a very effective droplet barrier.

It helped boost the local economy I guess.

Seems far more inconvenient to be carrying around a jumper instead of a mask :pac:

dalyboy

Boggles wrote: »

Who said anything about outdoors?

It's not very hard to understand.

You don't like masks, so much you have decide to buy 30 jumpers as a substitute.

All power to you.

Most ice cream venders are outside .

You don’t like jumpers so you have decided to buy 50 “surgical” masks as a substitute.

All power to you.

Boggles

Lumen wrote: »

I have to say I'm impressed by the commitment to this course of action, although unconvinced of the efficacy.

Aside from anything else, some stretched wool or cotton is not going to present a very effective droplet barrier.

I don't think that matters to the OP.

I mean we have all headed into a shop at this stage and uttered the words "shít I forgot a mask".

It won't be much different for the OP, just "shít I forgot my turtle neck".

Boggles

dalyboy wrote: »

Most ice cream venders are outside .

I have no idea what an ice cream vender is?

Guy in a van?

I'd be pretty confident most shops that sell ice cream are indoors though, because most shops are inside buildings.

Either way, I'll be keeping a keen eye on anyone wearing a turtle neck this summer.

Penfailed

prunudo wrote: »

The level of revisionist history and back pedalling by many posters on this and the main covid thread to defend the governments rapid speed of opening up is amazing. Many of us have called for things to open up quicker, especially since early March, but to say allowing countrywide travel from early May was always the plan is laughable. So much so that its actually hard to take many of the posters who constantly defend the government/nphet approach at face value anymore.

I haven't seen anyone in this thread say that, "countrywide travel from early May was always the plan."

Boggles

pjohnson wrote: »

Seems far more inconvenient to be carrying around a jumper instead of a mask :pac:

Hair cut will be quite the challenge with a turtle neck pulled over your bounce.

Penfailed

TrangiaCoffee wrote: »

The pace of people being vaccinated might not be up to speed to the pace of vaccinated people becoming out of date and needing a booster, so there will be going in and out of lockdown for possibly the rest of the decade.

It might be similar to this year. A few holidays/ reprieve for a month or two and the rest in lockdown.

Of course permanent lockdown deniers will be hanging on to the technicality of a month off breaking the 'permanent streak'.

This is just nonsense. "Lockdown for possibly the rest of the decade"?! Where are you getting this from?

dalyboy

Lumen wrote: »

I have to say I'm impressed by the commitment to this course of action, although unconvinced of the efficacy.

Aside from anything else, some stretched wool or cotton is not going to present a very effective droplet barrier.

True, the efficacy is perhaps unconvincing however neither is there efficacy in dirty rolled up masks coming out of pockets and bags (which 90% of users admit is the usual protocol due to busy lifestyles) .

Covid riddled fingers being used to adjust said masks in around the mouth and nose really doesn’t shout efficacy either.

How about the discarded masks blowing around the streets and outside shops ?

I’ll stick to my assertion that my solution is best all round.

Penfailed

Penfailed wrote: »

This is just nonsense. "Lockdown for possibly the rest of the decade"?! Where are you getting this from?

It's not unrealistic. At least every winter from now on. Here's another UK Government contract: https://www.contractsfinder.service.gov.uk/notice/6043d1fd-1f8c-4232-a32a-a658e19abcb1?origin=SearchResults&p=1

dalyboy

Gortanna wrote: »

It's not unrealistic. At least every winter from now on. Here's another UK Government contract: https://www.contractsfinder.service.gov.uk/notice/6043d1fd-1f8c-4232-a32a-a658e19abcb1?origin=SearchResults&p=1

Time to relocate to Sweden from October to April from now on I reckon.

The conspiracy theories are becoming more and more reality fact if we (and the UK) lock down again in October 2021.

Penfailed

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It's not unrealistic. At least every winter from now on. Here's another UK Government contract: https://www.contractsfinder.service.gov.uk/notice/6043d1fd-1f8c-4232-a32a-a658e19abcb1?origin=SearchResults&p=1

Another UK government contract that doesn't support your theory that we'll be locked down every winter from now on?
Sorry, I'm just too optimistic to even think that this is a possibility. I remember the time on this thread when those that understood the reasoning behind lockdowns and restrictions were labelled as doom mongers. It's come full circle.

paddyisreal

gozunda wrote: »

You will excuse me in thinking that I've walked into the CT forum this morning - on reading a lot of what has been posted here in the last couple of hours.

To your comment- thankfully science doesn't rely on 'humble' opinion

The fact that most over "70s" have received at least one dose of vaccine - does not exclude remaining groups who are very high risk/ high risk and others who have not been vaccinated from this picture. Or that those vaccinated may potentially becone infected albeit with highly improved outcomes.

https://i.imgflip.com/5817mz.jpg

For those not vaccinated - distancing and masks have been shown known to reduce the spread of infection. Not recognising that is definitely absurd.

how come your beloved nphet took so long to follow the science regarding masks last year...I recall Half of europe making it mandatory before us.

dalyboy

dalyboy wrote: »

Time to relocate to Sweden from October to April from now on I reckon.

The conspiracy theories are becoming more and more reality fact if we (and the UK) lock down again in October 2021.

Yes. I think it's a good idea to consider emigration. And I don't think it's fear mongering to suggest a person might wish to consider it. The good thing about the world is that it's full of countries. Sweden is a nice country, but it's very cold there in winter. I know we're used to the cold being from Ireland, but it's a lot colder than Ireland. Australia ticks all the boxes for me. Great weather, beaches etc. Or certain states in the US. The US has an amazing constitution as well, which is a big plus.

Penfailed

Penfailed wrote: »

Another UK government contract that doesn't support your theory that we'll be locked down every winter from now on?
Sorry, I'm just too optimistic to even think that this is a possibility. I remember the time on this thread when those that understood the reasoning behind lockdowns and restrictions were labelled as doom mongers. It's come full circle.

I think it does. Why would any of those campaigns be needed when covid is either over, or almost over, in the UK? Why would covid marshals be needed until potentially 2023 to ensure compliance with measures? Why extend furlough until September?

I'm all for being optimistic, but all those contracts that have been awarded, or are set to be awarded, point to future restrictions and/or lockdowns.

Boggles

dalyboy wrote: »

I’ll stick to my assertion that my solution is best all round.

€800 worth of turtle necks which you admit to not even liking?

charlie14

paw patrol wrote: »

the government said this would be unlikely in response to the GAA saying they would consider it.

you can see from some of the comments people are almost aroused at the notion of punishing or excluding those who refuse a vaccine. You can picture their beaming pride as they flash their vaccine passport "look at me , a good citizen"

Yet there will 4 millions vaccinated by Sept (as is the plan), so many others recovered from covid with their delicious antibodies.
there will be few left in the hospitals with covid

But they'll still beat that drum. There is a weird fetish over controlling the "other person" and demanding a pound of flesh from those that think otherwise.

Principal Skinner knows what to call those people.

Where has the government said there will never be crowds allowed for clubbing, concerts or GAA games ?
That is another announcement I must have missed.

Hopefully there will be 4 million vaccinated by September, or even earlier, and there will be a passport system in operation when that level is reached that allows those that have been vaccinated and those that are unable to to avail of a vaccine for medical reasons to attend.

It is not mandatory, nor do I see it being in the future, for anyone to avail of the vaccines, but you appear to be rather put out that those that choose not do may end up not having the same privileges as those that do.
Neither can I, but it would have nothing to do with controlling the "other person", "beating the drum" or "demanding a pound of flesh".
It will be about what it has always been, protecting the vulnerable.

When it comes to large gatherings who do you believe should be excluded. Those that refuse to avail of perfectly safe vaccines, or the most vulnerable that cannot ?

BobbyMalone

dalyboy wrote: »

True, the efficacy is perhaps unconvincing however neither is there efficacy in dirty rolled up masks coming out of pockets and bags (which 90% of users admit is the usual protocol due to busy lifestyles) .

Covid riddled fingers being used to adjust said masks in around the mouth and nose really doesn’t shout efficacy either.

How about the discarded masks blowing around the streets and outside shops ?

I’ll stick to my assertion that my solution is best all round.

Would your jumpers not be fairly manky as well, if you're using (part of) them as masks?

Penfailed

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I think it does. Why would any of those campaigns be needed when covid is either over, or almost over, in the UK? Why would covid marshals be needed until potentially 2023 to ensure compliance with measures? Why extend furlough until September?

I'm all for being optimistic, but all those contracts that have been awarded, or are set to be awarded, point to future restrictions and/or lockdowns.

They don't point to lockdowns for the rest of the decade though.

gozunda

growleaves wrote: »

India

Ah so its not just some posters who are only mentioning india to keep us locked up then or wtte ? Fair play. Though glad you brought it up.

Oddly enough I haven't seen that India has been added to the MHQ list / with many other countries bringing in travel bans - being discussed much here?

Whilst some restrictions seem to be relaxed this travel restriction effectively impacts nearly 18% of the worlds population. I'm surprised there's been so little said here about it.

dalyboy

BobbyMalone wrote: »

Would your jumpers not be fairly manky as well, if you're using (part of) them as masks?

Why would they be manky?

There was a new invention called a washing machine. It actually cleans the clothes including jumpers. It’s amazing.

charlie14

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

:pac:

What changed since last weekend regarding the risk from Covid?

The level of vaccinations which reopening is based on. Same as everywhere else.
Especially when the 14 day data was available from the U.K.in relation to their first phase of reopening.

dalyboy

Boggles wrote: »

€800 worth of turtle necks which you admit to not even liking?

I dislike masks even more though.

Sobit1964

The guy who bought the jumpers weirdly brought this back.

Penfailed

Penfailed wrote: »

They don't point to lockdowns for the rest of the decade though.

No, but they do for another year or two. They've become normalised.

charlie14

niallo27 wrote: »

Europe was using the science of wishful thinking last week we were told.

Germany were until the had to reintroduce restrictions.

niallo27

charlie14 wrote: »

The level of vaccinations which reopening is based on. Same as everywhere else.
Especially when the 14 day data was available from the U.K.in relation to their first phase of reopening.

Hang on last week when I asked you why we are not following other European countries you said we are following science here where as other European countries are using wishful thinking. What changed in 2 days.

TomSweeney

TrangiaCoffee wrote: »

The pace of people being vaccinated might not be up to speed to the pace of vaccinated people becoming out of date and needing a booster, so there will be going in and out of lockdown for possibly the rest of the decade.

It might be similar to this year. A few holidays/ reprieve for a month or two and the rest in lockdown.

Of course permanent lockdown deniers will be hanging on to the technicality of a month off breaking the 'permanent streak'.

So depressing, just really dawning on me that this is forever ...