Tonight's Boxing (Chisora v Parker, Taylor v Jonas, Tennyson, Ruiz v Arreola etc)

walshb

Erislandy Lara’s one punch KO was KO of the century...vicious!!!

squinn2912

walshb wrote: »

Erislandy Lara’s one punch KO was KO of the century...vicious!!!

That was nasty! Did he connect with the throat? God that was brutal

walshb

squinn2912 wrote: »

That was nasty! Did he connect with the throat? God that was brutal

It was pathetic...

Wouldn’t have knocked my 5 year old out!!!

normanoffside

walshb wrote: »

It was pathetic...

Wouldn’t have knocked my 5 year old out!!!

His opponent was nicknamed 'cornflake' which seems about right.
How was he in a 'world title' match anyway?

squinn2912

WhomadeGod wrote: »

Where does this leave Andy ruiz now?

If rematch doesn't happen who will he face next?

If Fury and Joshua sign a two fight deal then maybe wilder

Morrison J

WhomadeGod wrote: »

Where does this leave Andy ruiz now?

If rematch doesn't happen who will he face next?

Luis Ortiz was ringside so looked like they're trying to make that next for him.

Butson

Morrison J wrote: »

Luis Ortiz was ringside so looked like they're trying to make that next for him.

Both with the PBC so easy to take.

yourdeadwright

Not sure of it was mentioned on here but Natasha's short where ridiculously high throughout the whole fight, There was literally nothing to aim at between her chest and the top of the shorts
I tweeted Dave Coldwell to see if anyone thete noticed as ot was never mentioned during the fight and Natasha's herself replied to me that there was a design faul and as soon as she started moving the rode all the way up,
Just annoys me how biased commentary can be when it was clearly an unfair advantage that Katie had no body to aim for and nobody mentioned it at all

yourdeadwright

Oh and i 100% agree with Peter Fury, Ruiz went the wrong way about losing the weight, He done it like u would a body transformation for normal blokes out of shape or older women and it took some power and resistance away from him,

squinn2912

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Oh and i 100% agree with Peter Fury, Ruiz went the wrong way about losing the weight, He done it like u would a body transformation for normal blokes out of shape or older women and it took some power and resistance away from him,

That makes total sense.

SHOVELLER

Had the Parker fight as a draw. Definitely two fighters below the elite level for sure. Chisora going the whole 12 is impressive as he looked gassed early but I dont see the point of him carrying on but he will no doubt. Was surprised Andy Lee took on Parker but maybe its a name recognition or a big project thing.

Some undercard all the same! Bivol dominant, Eubank no real change except paying attention to Roy Jones and Katie coming through like she always does.

Watched the Ruiz fight today and it was a clear decision. Arreola gave him some problems early but Ruiz worked it out while the veteran stayed in his lane. But like Chisora where does he go from here? Commentary annoying with too many voices led by that mouth Brian Kenny when one wants to listen to Lennox and Porter. Arreola went nuts after with his kid on his lap cursing out the judges.

In boxing like life there is no conspiracy. There is no entity out there pulling all the strings. Its just plain old human incompetence if there are wild judging scores.

walshb

SHOVELLER wrote: »

In boxing like life there is no conspiracy. There is no entity out there pulling all the strings. Its just plain old human incompetence if there are wild judging scores.

Agreed.

But it is not always incompetency either..

I’m saying this years. Very closely fought rounds can have very justifiably differing cards...

I know it is amateur, but I have judged many bouts. 90 percent the time I get the winner, but sometimes I don’t..

I have had a few fights where I went 30-27 and 4 others went 30-27 the other way. And I have seen other judges the same. It happens when the rounds are very tight and close. It is not incompetency.

gypsy79

SHOVELLER wrote: »

Had the Parker fight as a draw. Definitely two fighters below the elite level for sure. Chisora going the whole 12 is impressive as he looked gassed early but I dont see the point of him carrying on but he will no doubt. Was surprised Andy Lee took on Parker but maybe its a name recognition or a big project thing.

I think fighting chisora again makes sense for Parker so he can prove he is improving under andy

SHOVELLER wrote: »

Some undercard all the same! Bivol dominant, Eubank no real change except paying attention to Roy Jones and Katie coming through like she always does

Don’t say that out loud they will come after you. I thought undercard was very interesting

yourdeadwright

gypsy79 wrote: »

I think fighting chisora again makes sense for Parker so he can prove he is improving under andy



Don’t say that out loud they will come after you. I thought undercard was very interesting

I agree makes him money ,a fight he will probably win & lets be fair his stock didn't rise after this weekend so not many other attractive avenues to go down ,


For me Parker just doesn't have the meanness to be any kind of a threat to the top guys at heavy weight, He has no spite in him, Lovely chap though ,

SHOVELLER

walshb wrote: »

Agreed.

But it is not always incompetency either..

I’m saying this years. Very closely fought rounds can have very justifiably differing cards...

I know it is amateur, but I have judged many bouts. 90 percent the time I get the winner, but sometimes I don’t..

I have had a few fights where I went 30-27 and 4 others went 30-27 the other way. And I have seen other judges the same. It happens when the rounds are very tight and close. It is not incompetency.

Yes should have said that incompetency is one of the reasons. Tight rounds will always produce different results and has to be said dont envy the judges.

Arreola was saying during his rant that judges should have noise cancelling headphones on during a fight but dont think that will happen or would necessarily lead to better decisions.

yourdeadwright

walshb wrote: »

Agreed.

But it is not always incompetency either..

I’m saying this years. Very closely fought rounds can have very justifiably differing cards...

I know it is amateur, but I have judged many bouts. 90 percent the time I get the winner, but sometimes I don’t..

I have had a few fights where I went 30-27 and 4 others went 30-27 the other way. And I have seen other judges the same. It happens when the rounds are very tight and close. It is not incompetency.

This is it some fights are extremely close to judge and everyone likes different things when watching a fight


L you can have a fight that is razor close but one fighter wins by a land slide on a judges card and its not incompetency


Say if you win every round just by the skin of your teeth after you score the 12 it looks like you breezed it , When its anything but the case,

gypsy79

Yeah....I have opened a spreadsheet while watching and tried work out how I would like scoring to be. Essentially I came up with

-lots more 10-10
-2 points for knockdowns
-lots more 10-8, 10-7 and even 10-6's

Make fight go try win the fight not eek out rounds

simongurnick

gypsy79 wrote: »

Yeah....I have opened a spreadsheet while watching and tried work out how I would like scoring to be. Essentially I came up with

-lots more 10-10
-2 points for knockdowns
-lots more 10-8, 10-7 and even 10-6's

Make fight go try win the fight not eek out rounds

Are you proposing these scoring ranges? 10-6?
I think that would muddy the waters even more, unless you mean something else?

walshb

A 10-6 round is like a KO....

Ambulance job!

gypsy79

simongurnick wrote: »

Are you proposing these scoring ranges? 10-6?
I think that would muddy the waters even more, unless you mean something else?

I really amn sure but it will try to discourage the rounds you see at the start of fights tha no one really wins and can explain some of the legitamate cards that are all over the place

And a 10-1/10-2 would be a battering that would be a knockout

Big Ears

gypsy79 wrote: »

I really amn sure but it will try to discourage the rounds you see at the start of fights tha no one really wins and can explain some of the legitamate cards that are all over the place

And a 10-1/10-2 would be a battering that would be a knockout

Scores would be all over the shop and even worse than now.
Some judges would have a 10-10 for a round and another judge would score the same round 10-8

It's not the system that's flawed, it's the application of it.
No change to the system itself will fix that.

megadodge

walshb wrote: »

A 10-6 round is like a KO....

Ambulance job!

No it's not.

Pacman put Marquez down 3 times in the first round of their first fight but Marquez recovered well enough to win the fight on my card.

walshb

2/3 judges scored that a 10/6 to Manny.

Other scored it a 10/7

10/6 is a very rare score. Fights usually stopped due to the heavy dominance!

Anyway, my “point” stands...kind of an ambulance job round....like a KO/TKO stoppage a lot of times!

Lot of times three KDs in a round is automatic TKO/stoppage..

walshb

I see Tenny thinking hoping to move to 140 lbs..

normanoffside

walshb wrote: »

I see Tenny thinking hoping to move to 140 lbs..

Not a good move for him. The higher the weight the harder his opponents hit him.

Big Ears

walshb wrote: »

2/3 judges scored that a 10/6 to Manny.

Other scored it a 10/7

10/6 is a very rare score. Fights usually stopped due to the heavy dominance!

Anyway, my “point” stands...kind of an ambulance job round....like a KO/TKO stoppage a lot of times!

Lot of times three KDs in a round is automatic TKO/stoppage..

And that judge scored the round incorrectly, getting dropped 3 times and battered for a round should indeed be a 10-6.

As for Tennyson, the last two moves up in weight made sense, he clearly was having to cut very hard to make Featherweight and Super-Featherweight.
However this time you can only presume they're trying to look for an excuse as to why he got blown away.

He should stay at Lightweight, not get carried away with his power and box a bit more. That's what got him success in his first few fights at the weight.
Then he blew O'Reilly away and got carried away with himself.

walshb

Big Ears wrote: »

And that judge scored the round incorrectly, getting dropped 3 times and battered for a round should indeed be a 10-6.

As for Tennyson, the last two moves up in weight made sense, he clearly was having to cut very hard to make Featherweight and Super-Featherweight.
However this time you can only presume they're trying to look for an excuse as to why he got blown away.

He should stay at Lightweight, not get carried away with his power and box a bit more. That's what got him success in his first few fights at the weight.
Then he blew O'Reilly away and got carried away with himself.

Yes, I immediately thought of the Pacman fight when I saw 10-6...

No three KD rule saved Juan.....

kneejerk

Delighted for Quigley. Fight was on a knife edge. Think he just about deserved the win.
Big step up coming for him.

wotzgoingon

Who was the female presenter in the womans suit on the Katie Taylor fight. She was hot af.

walshb

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