What's the point of Paul Murphy?

CramCycle

I remember Paul from UCD. Pretty much that face that popped up to cause a row at any debate. He turned the Socialist society from an alternative group into a bunch of thuhs. Everytime they turned up, if he was there, a physical altercation was not far behind. Funnily enough, he never followed their rules, didn't hand over his spare room to the party from his apartment in Dundrum. He's not left wing, he just uses phrases from well known left wing historical figures but his actions and what are the policies of a left wing party are at odds with each other. His highlight was having to be restrained, frothing at the mouth, as a minister was giving out awards to a class of students with mental health needs for which a course had been set up to give them a taste and hopefully a drive for further education. All Paul wanted to do was storm the place and start a fight, one in which he oddly enough would never have to throw a punch, just direct his mindless thugs to do his bidding. Paul is about as right wing as a politician in Ireland gets, very similar to Republican candidates in the US.

Burkie1203

dulpit wrote: »

All 1 of them?

On topic, I don't see the appeal of Paul Murphy. As others have said, RBB comes across much better, more knowledgeable and more likeable and I can see why he attracts votes; I can't see what Paul Murphy brings to the table.

First time I remember him on the scene was when he was running for Europe (was he already a co-opted mep at that stage?) and his posters were all about stopping water charges. How he's manage to do that from Brussels is a question that never seemed to be asked or answered.

From watching reeling in the years and stuff, you'd be reminded of the likes of Joe Higgins and Clare Daly (before she got into bed with Mick Wallace), both fine orators and TDs, albeit representing a view I'd completely disagree with. I can't see Paul Murphy contributions appearing on future reeling in the years compilations.

Would be nice if Irish TDs actually tried to do something to improve the lives of Irish people in Ireland. The constant whinging about stuff happening on the other side of the world......

India spends 2 Billion $$$ a year on its space program. They can fix their own problems, we have enough of their own.

https://twitter.com/bridsmithTD/status/1388094713320943621?s=19

costacorta

enricoh wrote: »

I heard mick barry interviewed one day, I actually got a bit downhearted that the guts of 10000 people voted for him!

There used to be a fella on the steps of the local church with a crappy microphone years ago ranting about god years ago that was more coherent!

Whatever you may have thought of the interview you heard the facts of the matter are that Barry is a great worker in his constituency and had been working hard as a councillor for years before finally getting elected after a few failed attempts.

Mad_maxx

CramCycle wrote: »

I remember Paul from UCD. Pretty much that face that popped up to cause a row at any debate. He turned the Socialist society from an alternative group into a bunch of thuhs. Everytime they turned up, if he was there, a physical altercation was not far behind. Funnily enough, he never followed their rules, didn't hand over his spare room to the party from his apartment in Dundrum. He's not left wing, he just uses phrases from well known left wing historical figures but his actions and what are the policies of a left wing party are at odds with each other. His highlight was having to be restrained, frothing at the mouth, as a minister was giving out awards to a class of students with mental health needs for which a course had been set up to give them a taste and hopefully a drive for further education. All Paul wanted to do was storm the place and start a fight, one in which he oddly enough would never have to throw a punch, just direct his mindless thugs to do his bidding. Paul is about as right wing as a politician in Ireland gets, very similar to Republican candidates in the US.

How is he " right wing " ?

LuckyLloyd

gilberto_eire wrote: »

It just shows how flawed our democratic system is when there wasn't one positive response on the opening page, for someone who was elected by the people.

We're raised to believe we live in the perfect system but when you analyse the nuts and bolts of it... it doesn't really work that way does it?(also see opinions on issues like Immigration, MUP... the electorate seem to be on the complete opposite end to our representatives).

Boards.ie is not representative of the electorate. If it was a nationalistic anti immigrant party who intends to brutalise those on the dole would have swept to power long ago.

Murphy gets voted in by people in his constituency who live economic marginalisation and social deprivation and have never been winners from FFG’s Ireland. They don’t post on boards quite obviously.

As it is, I can see him losing his seat next time out as SF suck all of that type of vote into one place finally. Their aim will be to have two candidates elected there next election.

VinLieger

EddieN75 wrote: »

They should give their wealth away to share with the poverty classes. Is that not their dream of socialism?

In reality they wouldn't want to mix with the great unwashed.

Another aubergine sandwich Richard? Well I don't mind if I do Paul.

The Healy Raes had far bigger silver spoons to be fair, and neither of them have ever experienced the plight of poverty most farmers in Ireland have at times in their lives.

EddieN75

VinLieger wrote: »

The Healy Raes had far bigger silver spoons to be fair, and neither of them have ever experienced the plight of poverty most farmers in Ireland have at times in their lives.

I don't see how any of that excludes them from representing the people of Kerry and rural people in general.

I'm guessing you are from a city or urban area. Just a quick bit of info.

Not everyone who lives in the country or rural is a farmer!!

Coillte_Bhoy

VinLieger wrote: »

Do you have documented evidence of the other parties calling their voters too stupid to understand their policies and beliefs?

Ooh aren't you clever? Of course i dont, and i dont accept thats what was said either but anyway.

Paul is a Trot. He believes the lumpen proles are too stupid to actually understand how they are being exploited and how they are at the bottom of the class struggle.

It takes people like Paul to light the fires of class consciousness.

Patser

lordlame wrote: »

For any one that missed it:

https://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/highlights-from-the-pat-kenny-show/renationalise-aer-lingus

6:30 mins in

This.

This is the thing you need to hear to understand Murphy.

He had a populist idea, that the Govt take over Aer Lingus and keep paying all the staff. He was using it to make headlines.

But when he gets asked by Pat Kenny on details, when he actually has to defend an idea of his own, rather than rant about what others are doing, he completely crumbles. Towards the end of the interview you can hear Murphy sniggering at how silly his own idea is, he knows its a nonsense game.

And afterwards the idea is dropped, never mentioned again by Murphy. It's not a vote getter any more. Just a quick thing to keep him in headlines. Not thought through, not planned, not a proper manifesto idea or policy. Just a silly little game.

CramCycle

Mad_maxx wrote: »

How is he " right wing " ?

Right vs Left in the American vernacular rather than the actual meaning, as is often used in the news. I view him as right wing in the american popular terminology in that he is self serving and only out for number 1 but dresses it up as caring for others.
Likes to start fights and general thuggery rather than engagement, any excuse for a brawl where he somehow doesn't get his own hands dirty. Signed up to the socialist crowd in UCD but never followed through on following any of their policies that you agree too when you join including sharing his spare bedroom in Dundrum out to his fellow members. All about the words, never the actions. It simply reminds me of those grifters in the US who rile people up but always never have to do anything themselves and somehow always end up not being to blame for the behaviour of those they incited.
His actions in Ireland have done more to destabilise the far left movement than any other group or person, he clearly only wants enough to get elected but not enough to achieve any of his "goals".
Just an opinion though, and I admit I am biased as he was an absolutely despicable scumbag in his time in UCD so I accept I might find it hard to see change if it has occurred as my view is coloured from knowing him years ago.

CDarby

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Boards.ie is not representative of the electorate. If it was a nationalistic anti immigrant party who intends to brutalise those on the dole would have swept to power long ago.

Murphy gets voted in by people in his constituency who live economic marginalisation and social deprivation and have never been winners from FFG’s Ireland. They don’t post on boards quite obviously.

As it is, I can see him losing his seat next time out as SF suck all of that type of vote into one place finally. Their aim will be to have two candidates elected there next election.

This!

mariaalice

They get something like 1% of the votes of the electret yet get massive publicly for some reason.

dulpit

EddieN75 wrote: »

Look at what your lads are up to. 95% of the houses on a new development in commuter belt maynooth sold off to yet another investment fund.

Ridicule everyone else but look at what you are supporting

Who are "my lads"? And who am I supporting? Did I say anywhere who this is?

Mad_maxx

CramCycle wrote: »

Right vs Left in the American vernacular rather than the actual meaning, as is often used in the news. I view him as right wing in the american popular terminology in that he is self serving and only out for number 1 but dresses it up as caring for others.
Likes to start fights and general thuggery rather than engagement, any excuse for a brawl where he somehow doesn't get his own hands dirty. Signed up to the socialist crowd in UCD but never followed through on following any of their policies that you agree too when you join including sharing his spare bedroom in Dundrum out to his fellow members. All about the words, never the actions. It simply reminds me of those grifters in the US who rile people up but always never have to do anything themselves and somehow always end up not being to blame for the behaviour of those they incited.
His actions in Ireland have done more to destabilise the far left movement than any other group or person, he clearly only wants enough to get elected but not enough to achieve any of his "goals".
Just an opinion though, and I admit I am biased as he was an absolutely despicable scumbag in his time in UCD so I accept I might find it hard to see change if it has occurred as my view is coloured from knowing him years ago.

someone can be self serving and " only out for themselves " and be completely apolitical

you are just using the term " right wing " as a substitute for what you view as bad or negative personality traits

murphy is not right wing by any measure whastsoever

Mad_maxx

mariaalice wrote: »

They get something like 1% of the votes of the electret yet get massive publicly for some reason.

Aontu nearly get as much electoral support yet Toibin is on RTE or the media in general about a tenth of the amount PBP members and Paul Murphy are , hell , Ruth Coppinger is still invited on for opinion as often as Peadear Toibin and she lost her dail seat last year

which of course tells us all we need to know about the politics of the media in this country

meeeeh

The looney left are harmless and useless. They just make sure other more competent left wing parties don't get more votes. It will be a lot more worrying when SF pick their voters.

dulpit

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Aontu nearly get as much electoral support yet Toibin is on RTE or the media in general about a tenth of the amount PBP members and Paul Murphy are , hell , Ruth Coppinger is still invited on for opinion as often as Peadear Toibin and she lost her dail seat last year

which of course tells us all we need to know about the politics of the media in this country

Maybe its more that Aontú have 1 seat and pbp/Solidarity have 5? That's how we decide governments/etc - number of seats not votes.

CramCycle

Mad_maxx wrote: »

someone can be self serving and " only out for themselves " and be completely apolitical

you are just using the term " right wing " as a substitute for what you view as bad or negative personality traits

murphy is not right wing by any measure whastsoever

As I stated, I was using it the way the American media use it, not in the actual definition of it. If everyone used the correct definitions of right and left wing you would have the American media having to admit both the democrats and republicans are right wing. In this regard, his sound bites are that of a populist, his actions are of those of a self serving elitist, I am not sure if he is left or right wing the more I look up his stuff. Also like I said, having known him back in the day, I am biased against him by his prior actions, maybe he has changed,.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You clearly didn't read it, forgivable as it's behind a paywall.

Here's an extract :

""In internal documents discussing Brexit and wider strategy, he asks: “Are we guilty of not ‘telling the truth’ to the working class when we don’t bring a demand to leave the EU?

“We always tell the truth to the working class. But we present the truth in the way which is most digestible to the working class at a particular time.”

They want to leave the EU but can't tell that to the working class as their little pixie heads can't manage it. But that's OK, Big Brother knows best.

The working class are morons apparently. It does seem like his little grouplet is run by a United Kingdom based socialist party.

The upper middle class south sider radical who is anti Irish nationalism is a familiar trope. They often end up getting a gig in the telegraph in their later years. Or the Indo.

LuckyLloyd

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

As it is, I can see him losing his seat next time out as SF suck all of that type of vote into one place finally. Their aim will be to have two candidates elected there next election.

Another win for bourgeois nationalist sectarian capitalists then.

Burkie1203

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Would be nice if Irish TDs actually tried to do something to improve the lives of Irish people in Ireland. The constant whinging about stuff happening on the other side of the world......

India spends 2 Billion $$$ a year on its space program. They can fix their own problems, we have enough of their own.

https://twitter.com/bridsmithTD/status/1388094713320943621?s=19

Calling for an ipr waiver isn’t necessarily harming Irish people (unlike the absurd call to stop vaccinating here until India catches up). We could allow India to produce, but not export, certain vaccines. Western countries would still source from the producers.

gral6

Paul Murphy wants us to lockdown hard again...with all arrivals to be subject of MHQ

gral6

gral6 wrote: »

Paul Murphy wants us to lockdown hard again...with all arrivals to be subject of MHQ

Why? Does he know something the rest of us don’t?

He’s one of those most responsible for young people feeling it ok to ignore law and order.

Gunmonkey

Deleted User wrote: »

Why? Does he know something the rest of us don’t?

He’s one of those most responsible for young people feeling it ok to ignore law and order.

Thats probably one of his main reasons; cant give out and energise a rabble against the Gov if they are reopening society and soon allowing easier foreign travel.
The lockdowns were probably like the heaviest ecstasy hit to him, could scream and whinge against the Gov all day about lockdowns and pubs closed and no hols to Spain and got roaring support.....now he is desperately scratching his neck, jittery
"Y-y-you're gonna lockdown the pubs again right? Or close the schools for a bit? Cmon, just one more hit...I-I-I need it!"

padd b1975

gral6 wrote: »

Paul Murphy wants us to lockdown hard again...with all arrivals to be subject of MHQ

Doesn't apply to protesting.

suicide_circus

gral6 wrote: »

Paul Murphy wants us to lockdown hard again...with all arrivals to be subject of MHQ

Hard lockdown = more people forced to suckle at the teat of the state and under the thumb state, more private enterprises failing ie Paul's wet dream.

Topgear on Dave

padd b1975 wrote: »

Doesn't apply to protesting.

*Of course this will only apply only to protests he supports.:cool:

CIARAN_BOYLE

Gunmonkey wrote: »

Thats probably one of his main reasons; cant give out and energise a rabble against the Gov if they are reopening society and soon allowing easier foreign travel.
The lockdowns were probably like the heaviest ecstasy hit to him, could scream and whinge against the Gov all day about lockdowns and pubs closed and no hols to Spain and got roaring support.....now he is desperately scratching his neck, jittery
"Y-y-you're gonna lockdown the pubs again right? Or close the schools for a bit? Cmon, just one more hit...I-I-I need it!"

It's kind of like Sinn Fein doing more to block housing planning than any other party.

astrofool

suicide_circus wrote: »

Hard lockdown = more people forced to suckle at the teat of the state and under the thumb state, more private enterprises failing ie Paul's wet dream.

I think this is what's always to bear in mind when Paul has an opinion or an objection to something, it is always about removing the private sector and moving Ireland to a socialist state, the type of questioning we do in Ireland lets him get away with this, "it's a disgrace" that people don't have homes "it's awful" that we want to charge people for water and bins and their property, but the answer is always for the state to get bigger and bigger and start running everything when time and again, our biggest problem is incompetence in running state services, HSE, massive spend, little to show due to union intransigence, water was a mess when being run by each CC, each project costs twice as much and takes twice as long when run by the state, yet the answer is to start building houses by hiring builders and developers onto a state salary, the starting price for a state built 3-bed semi would be north of €1M in actual cost.