Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

Don't Chute!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119460523#Comment_119460523

We better shut everything down immediately. Drop the 2km limit to 0.5km, you know, just to be on the safe side. If it prevents even one death…. Flatten the curve…. We’re all in this together….

Micky 32

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119461929#Comment_119461929

You might want to put on your seat belt for the upcoming ride from the zealots and hysterics crowd again and not to mention RTE. Hospitals are upticking a bit again. Unfortunately we’ll never be rid of them. We just need to ignore them and get on with it.

Meanwhile in the real, non-triggered world, where the shear fact of mentioning the existence of a virus does not result in frothing rage...

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2333107-langya-virus-how-serious-is-the-new-pathogen-discovered-in-china/

is_that_so

Such truly shambolic management of COVID and Omicron variants. There could easily be months more of this for them.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-62547503

Micky 32

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119477120#Comment_119477120

There’s a bigger disease than covid out there. The sad part is there will be people ( if that’s the appropriate word) who will support this.

Mental stuff from China.

And while it seems far from home, it is important to remember that some people on this thread wanted the army on the streets, supported the use of water cannons on crowds, supported mandatory vaccinations etc

We're lucky that plenty of people fought hard to ensure that those Authoritarian mindsets are silenced.

freshpopcorn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119479731#Comment_119479731

I think originally people were scared. Dr Tony became a God.

Getting the Vaccine helped and wearing masks(slightly) helped them to get back out there.

What really helped tough?

Getting Covid.

DLink

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119480587#Comment_119480587

People were indeed scared... you can thank all the fear mongering in the media and all those walks down the steps at Government Buildings by Leo and Mehole on primetime TV to announce more restrictions.

As for the masks, I still see people wearing them voluntarily, but incorrectly. Why even bother wearing something you are not legally required to wear in a shop any more, but leave your nose hanging out???

DLink

Forgot to say, omicron certainly got us out of the hole we were digging for ourselves, but the Chinese have backed themselves into the "zero covid" corner and they'll not ease up on it like the Aussies and even the Kiwi's did.

freshpopcorn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119481320#Comment_119481320

I know a lady who's still afraid of Covid. If she sees you without a mask she'll say it to you that your not wearing one.

She goes to various cafe, restaurants, clubs, dancing, etc. A few weeks ago she got a cold after a wedding. Everyone else at her table got the same cold but they tested positive for Covid but she didn't have it or bother doing an Antigen test because she wore a mask.

Data from the CSO in May showed that only 153 people died in 2 years of only Covid.

At the time, some people mentioned that lots of people have an underlying condition so we can't read too much into the figure.

Data from the CSO today says that 4 out of 5 COVID deaths had at LEAST 3 medical conditions.

This backs up the previous data but also confirms that all the other COVID deaths weren't simply people with a touch of asthma but extremely sick people in poor health.

jackboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119479731#Comment_119479731

If Omicron had been a more severe variant instead of a milder one we probably would have implemented at least some of those measures.

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119481867#Comment_119481867

No, we'd already begun to move past that notion of COVID management. Even last autumn there were musings about how to live with it.

DLink

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119481351#Comment_119481351

Typical 🙄

jackboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119481897#Comment_119481897

Maybe, but there were still scientists this spring calling for mask mandates and social distancing to be maintained. If Omicron was a more severe variant we could have easily been back to pre vaccines with regard to protection against severe cases.

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119482023#Comment_119482023

The much-hated NPHET called it properly and Martin was very swift in ending it all. My own view of some of the scientists that elbowed their way to the front is that they were projecting a whole pile of their emotions and some deep-rooted dogma. Omicron, even a more severe version, showed up the pointlessness of continuing these measures. Some scientists surmised that this is where COVID would eventually end up, even in the earliest days, based on the past progression of viruses.

Micky 32

Only 16 in ICU’s. It must be the lowest i have seen without any restrictions.

live4tkd

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AsTheQuoFlies

Good points; I have no doubt the fear mongering will rapidly increase but hopefully much more of our population are more tuned in and will not live their lives in a bubble.

Johnboy1951

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119481754#Comment_119481754

People should look at the "all cause mortality" numbers, adjusted for population size, for those two years, to get the true impact of Covid illness without, and with, the injected treatments.

I expect those numbers would be equally surprising to a lot of people.

US3

Anthony Staines was on local limerick radio yesterday saying 10% of ALL deaths in the last 2 year's were covid deaths. How is this nonsense still going on air, unchallenged.

dominatinMC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119485738#Comment_119485738

The fact that he's reduced to local radio stations and not the national airwaves is some solace.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119485738#Comment_119485738

He's actually technically correct there. And it sounds truly terrifying to those who don't understand our deaths criteria and data.

The CSO made it very clear that 75% of deaths were over 75. 91% were over 65.

80% had at LEAST 3 medical conditions.

The reason we have no excess deaths is because most of these people were going to die due to their age or the other list of Illnesses they were suffering from.

Of course it wouldn't make a great headline if they admitted that only 153 people died of COVID in 2 years. 0.003% of the population

growleaves

We did it bro. We stayed safe.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119486019#Comment_119486019

It wouldnt be a headline because it is fake news.

One of the conditions listed is pneumonia (56%) which is a common complication of severe covid

https://www.webmd.com/lung/covid-and-pneumonia

The reason we have no excess deaths is because we had ICU and hospital capacity to treat those who could be saved when hit with severe covid and restrictions to keep those numbers down to treatable levels.

Many countries had significant excess deaths from covid. Same disease.

odyssey06

The Irish Times article explains it is 5384 deaths due to Covid:

In the deaths that occurred between March 2020 and February 2022, Covid-19 was identified as the Underlying Cause of Death (UCOD) in 5,384 cases.

Explaining this terminology, the CSO said that a death certificate can list multiple medical conditions of a deceased person, based on which, the UCOD is identified by applying World Health Organisation guidelines.

When Covid-19 is identified as the UCOD, it is classified as a death ‘due to’ Covid-19, which differs from when it is just one of a number of conditions listed for those who died, in which case it is classified as a death ‘with’ Covid-19.

https://www.irishnews.com/news/republicofirelandnews/2022/08/16/news/four_in_five_covid_deaths_had_at_least_three_medical_conditions_on_death_record-2800582/

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119487062#Comment_119487062

We have no excess deaths because those that died WITH covid were going to die without Covid.

The only fake news is the nonsense from our government, nphet and the media that this illness is a huge threat to all of us.

We now have official data that shows the "deaths" were mainly elderly people in poor health.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119487126#Comment_119487126

Nonsense. Lots of countries showed excess deaths in 2020 who were hit hard by covid.

We have lots of elderly people in poor health. They arent all about to die.

Look at the age profile and co- conditions for ICU admissions and hospitalisations. These were people with decades of life expectancy ahead of them. They pulled through because medical care was there to save them.

Anyways, the data is available now for those who wish to look. And like many of us said, the vast vast majority of COVID deaths were elderly people in very very poor health. If you don't see that in the data then you need help understanding data.

29% of deaths in nursing homes... And to think we refused to use those evil snake oil antigen tests. They could have been used daily. Instead we preferred the occasional gold standard PCRs...

bennyineire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119487126#Comment_119487126

Ah yeah sure who cares about the elderly eh

Micky 32

Some sad **** out there. They have lost as far as I’m concerned. I don’t think the replies are going his way lol

https://twitter.com/chadgoldsmith/status/1559346616993185792?s=21&t=0u0OVYg3vVmWedKe5KLoaw

freshpopcorn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119487408#Comment_119487408

Well I suppose we can all cocoon ourselves in our houses and stop society then for evermore then because every year some elderly and venerable will catch something and die.

bennyineire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119487445#Comment_119487445

We are not doing that now you loon, a vaccine was developed with a vaccine program and here were are now with a fully opened society so all good now

freshpopcorn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119487449#Comment_119487449

I was just making sure your weren't the loon with your earlier post!

walus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119487449#Comment_119487449

Vaccine program has divided our society into the vaccinated and unvaccinated with a different levels of social freedoms assigned to both groups. It is Omicron that fully opened the society not the vaccine.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119487408#Comment_119487408

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119487449#Comment_119487449

Elderly people in poor health are still dying with COVID and will continue to do so.

Are you outraged now?

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119487698#Comment_119487698

Not really so dramatic at all and quite unprovable as we had 96% signed up to the first shot and 80% to the second one. Vaccines also tend to bring about some mutations as they block off variant abilities to reproduce and spread. People are completely free to live their lives up and including a belief that the unvaccinated are second class citizens. In truth nobody cares anymore as it's all over.

shesty

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119487443#Comment_119487443

I wonder how this lad thinks the "nightmare" will end.

Does he understand that we can't eradicate this virus, I wonder.🤨No matter what is mandated?

Bizarre.

walus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119487750#Comment_119487750

it is actually dead easy to prove. Other countries with a much lower uptake in vaccines opened fully because Omicron came along, not because they somehow managed to vaccinate more people. Even esteemed epidemiologist Bill Gates said it himself that omicron did a better job than the vaccines. And somehow did not seem pleased with that, but that is another matter.

The notion that vaccines were the reasons for ‘returning to normal’ is nothing but propaganda.

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119488111#Comment_119488111

Vaccines do force viruses to adapt and evolve - the original hung around a very long time and the same vaccines were effective up to Delta. Omicron, of course, did ease the way back to normality but how we got to Omicron is missing from your reworking of the story. Other countries as you claim, were actually way behind in fully opening up. We were just a few weeks behind the UK in everything.

Micky 32

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119487939#Comment_119487939

The idiot got caught out lovely. He claimed he never went to any events including indoor in 2.5 years. Somebody posted his instagram photo’s up of him at his mothers big birthday bash and some other indoor event and not a mask in sight.

This is about control and getting likes and followers on twitter for most of them.

dominatinMC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119488286#Comment_119488286

I just assumed it was some sort of parody account

celt262

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119488530#Comment_119488530

Course it is but some are daft enough to believe it.

walus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119488238#Comment_119488238

South Africa vaccination rate is 32.5% (fully vaccinated). Omicron came from there. If what you saying was true we would see omicron come out from one of the country with very high vaccination rate i.e. Ireland.

It is not the vaccines that brought around omicron. It was the isolation of individuals (lockdowns, flattening the curve - certain level of restrictions) that caused the virus to morf into a new more contagious and much less lethal form. Or else it would have happened anyway with or without restrictions.

Micky 32

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119489864#Comment_119489864

Is this your way of defending the tweet? I initially thought it was a WUM or a parody but if you go through his tweets and responses it’s no parody.

celt262

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119490571#Comment_119490571

Course it is a WUM .

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119487698#Comment_119487698

This is false.

This is what happened when omicron hit an unvaccinated population with low prior exposure to covid.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2022/04/study-sheds-light-death-spike-hong-kong-covid-19-surge

live4tkd

Surprise surprise now the fallout of this mass madness begins! It will take years to figure out the full extent of the damage caused by these stupid myopic policies!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/08/18/lockdown-effects-feared-killing-people-covid/

`Lockdown effects feared to be killing more people than Covid`

Unexplained excess deaths outstrip those from virus as medics call figures ‘terrifying’.

The effects of lockdown may now be killing more people than are dying of Covid, official statistics suggest. Figures for excess deaths from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) show that around 1,000 more people than usual are currently dying each week from conditions other than the virus. The Telegraph understands that the Department of Health has ordered an investigation into the figures amid concern that the deaths are linked to delays to and deferment of treatment for conditions such as cancer, diabetes and heart disease. Over the past two months, the number of excess deaths not from Covid dwarfs the number linked to the virus. It comes amid renewed calls for Covid measures such as compulsory face masks in the winter. But the figures suggest the country is facing a new silent health crisis linked to the pandemic response rather than to the virus itself. The British Heart Foundation said it was “deeply concerned” by the findings, while the Stroke Association said it had been anticipating a rise in deaths for a while. Dr Charles Levinson, the chief executive of Doctorcall, a private GP service, said his company was seeing “far too many” cases of undetected cancers and cardiac problems, as well as “disturbing” numbers of mental health conditions. “Hundreds and hundreds of people dying every week – what is going on?” he said. “Delays in seeking and receiving healthcare are no doubt the driving force, in my view.

“Daily Covid statistics demanded the nation’s attention, yet these terrifying figures barely get a look in. A full and urgent government investigation is required immediately.” Figures released by the ONS on Tuesday showed that excess deaths are currently 14.4 per cent higher than the five-year average, equating to 1,350 more deaths than usual in the week ending Aug 5.

Although 469 deaths were because of Covid, the remaining 881 have not been explained and the ONS does not break down the remaining deaths by cause.

Since the beginning of June, the ONS has recorded nearly 10,000 more deaths than the five-year average – around 1,089 a week – none of which is linked to Covid. The figure is more than three times the number of people who died because of the virus over the same period, which stood at 2,811.

Even analysis that takes into account ageing population changes has identified a substantial ongoing excess. There were 103 Covid deaths in England on August 11 and the seven-day average is currently around 111 fatalities per day. Questioned by The Telegraph, the Department of Health admitted it had asked the Office for Health Improvement and Disparities to look into the figures and had discovered that the majority were linked to largely preventable heart and stroke and diabetes-related conditions. Many appointments and treatments were cancelled as the NHS battled the pandemic throughout 2020 and last year, leading to a huge backlog that the health service is still struggling to bring down. This week, an internal memo from the Royal Albert Edward Infirmary in Wigan, leaked to the Health Service Journal, warned it was becoming “increasingly common” for patients to die in A&E as they waited for treatment.

Dr Charmaine Griffiths, the British Heart Foundation chief executive, said: “We’re deeply concerned by the initial findings that excess deaths in recent months seem to be being driven by cardiovascular disease. “Without significant help for the NHS from the Government now, this situation can only get worse.”

Last week, official England-wide statistics showed emergency care standards had hit an all-time low. Juliet Bouvier, the Stroke Association chief executive, said: “We know people haven’t been having their routine appointments for the past few years now, so we’ve been anticipating a rise in strokes for quite a while now. “This lack of opportunity to identify risk factors for stroke, coupled with increasing ambulance delays, is a recipe for increased stroke mortality and disability in those that survive.”

odyssey06

How is it a 'lockdown effect'?

The appointments weren't cancelled because of lockdowns.

They were cancelled because of covid and the strain it put on hospitals.

Man Vs ManUre

OMG. Travis Barker has Covid!! I read it in todays Irish Independent. How will Kourtney cope and will he make a recovery??