Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

MrMusician18

hotmail.com wrote: »

So many young people perhaps influenced by the far right who were against lockdown measures.

Nah, they just don't care.

eskimohunt

eskimohunt wrote: »

I'll stick my neck out and say that I don't think the antics at the weekend will change anything.

Perhaps cases will rise, but that's an inevitability with increased socialization.

But in terms of risk of public health, hospitalizations etc., I don't believe there will be any big effect whatsoever.

There comes a point when the public must be allowed to decide their own level of risk, as we do with everything else in life.

Holohan and the government are effectively nannying and policing this risk. It's totally unwarranted at this stage when 60% of adults are very shortly going to be vaccinated.

Ireland is not very good at risk analysis.

The only way I can describe the current situation is we are driving on a motorway at 30KPH on a very sunny day with no other cars in sight hoping not to hit a patch of black ice...

Its unbelievable that we continue to hemorrhage billions when the pandemic is over here. Unless you think young people are going to suddenly start dying.

MrMusician18

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Nah, they just don't care.

Why should anyone care at this point? The elderly are vaccinated. Anybody vulnerable who hasn't got a vaccine can surely sit tight for a few weeks. Anybody that is terrified to return to normality can seek counselling.

Time to move on for everybody else.

Pubs are closed
Nightclubs are closed
eating out is off limits
eating IN is off limits
gyms are closed
yoga studios are closed
sport is off limits to the largest degree.

people below 28yrs of age are more attracted to and affected by alcohol..
they are programmed for riskier behaviors also.. that's the biology of it.
If you are a young person and in a car with a friend, your 400% more likely
to crash, these are the facts, there's no getting away from it.

Energy cannot be destroyed, it's only passed on..what do you think happens when all that pent up energy gets any chance to be released?? like a shaken bottle of coca cola??

open the pubs and let them live their lives, now most of the older folks are vaccinated

Infini

eskimohunt wrote: »

Holohan and the government are effectively nannying and policing this risk. It's totally unwarranted at this stage when 60% of adults are very shortly going to be vaccinated.

The government's communications at times have been shíte to say the least but people are just as bad when they want to be. Very shortly =/= Vaccinated now. Were about 6 weeks away from reaching 60% of the population fully immunized that and to be personally honest I don't want to be picking up the fúcking rona in work just a mere few weeks away from getting my first shot of the vaccine because a bunch of self centered fúckwits see the sun and all of a sudden common sense is thrown out the window for the sake of getting locked for funsies.

People can moan about the goverment being nannying and policing but while individuals can be intelligent groups of people can be shockingly stupid fúckwits. Look at the state of Fitzwiliam street or the shenanigans in Cork or Galway even. You'd think to have the common sense to space out not turn some places into mosh pits. You complain about the government being nannying but to counter your point people can be self entitled cúnts when they truly want to be and not giving a shít, making up any sort of excuse to anyone to suit their own ego.

We're not out of the woods till we get the vast majority of people FULLY vaccinated, I want nothing more than to go back to normal and enjoy a few pints and all that but we're only going to see the back of this once this thing is done properly, look at what happened at Christmas and how it fúcked up the first half of the year on us. Last thing we need after all of this is this Indian Variant starting off right before we hit the finish line even if it's on a lower scale. We put up with this bloody pandemic for over a year and a quarter I want it done for good this time and not see any more fúckups because people see "shiny sun" and suddenly massive booze parties are everywhere.

JRant

hotmail.com wrote: »

So many young people perhaps influenced by the far right who were against lockdown measures.

Most definitely, sure look at all those tikki torches on display in South William street at the weekend and those scenes at the beaches were like something from a Hitler youth camp. Shocking stuff altogether.

ypres5

JRant wrote: »

Most definitely, sure look at all those tikki torches on display in South William street at the weekend and those scenes at the beaches were like something from a Hitler youth camp. Shocking stuff altogether.

Just got off the phone with Hugo Boss and they're going booking me for a uniform fitting, can't wait.

JRant

ypres5 wrote: »

Just got off the phone with Hugo Boss and they're going booking me for a uniform fitting, can't wait.

Did you put the order in for a nice VW as well?

bucketybuck

Any word on the government telling us how many people died with Covid in the month of May?

Or is Tonys anti-alcohol crusade the priority now?

hotmail.com

JRant wrote: »

Most definitely, sure look at all those tikki torches on display in South William street at the weekend and those scenes at the beaches were like something from a Hitler youth camp. Shocking stuff altogether.

Young people rejecting expert advice.

Is that not far right?

hotmail.com

hotmail.com wrote: »

Young people rejecting expert advice.

Is that not far right?

Non elected doctors rejecting peoples civil liberties...is that not far right??

ClosedAccountFuzzy

hotmail.com wrote: »

Young people rejecting expert advice.

Is that not far right?

No. It’s absolutely not. You might need to look up a definition of the far right. That’s 100% definitely not one of them.

At most it’s perhaps an expression of individuality, rebellion against authority or the status quo. It’s the polar opposite to the far right and it’s a significant part of youth culture and what’s been a defining aspect of it, certainly since the 1950s.

It’s not very helpful at the moment but it’s also not very helpful to apply totally inaccurate labels.

With a bit of good communication and organising things better, you could bring all that youthful energy on board.

lexi-lexi

Can anyone clarify the exact rules on communions for me please ? Apologies if I'm asking in the wrong place . I've been googling and can't find anything concrete and recent .

ClosedAccountFuzzy

This is getting down to people's perception of risk.

We need to be being across the idea that it’s about sensible levels of precaution, not extremely hard arbitrary rules.

We do seem to be in the exit phase. We’ll very likely have a situation where vaccine uptake in Ireland will probably end up being amongst the highest in the world and this will end here.

I think we need to manage the reopening better though. It has been utterly stupid to stager it so much. Either open or don’t open, but don’t serve take away pints on the street in a city on the first sunny days of the summer and expect nobody to turn up.

The planning of this has been very poor and the messages are like Boris Johnson : socialise outside but don’t socialise outside, but whatever do, please go outside and enjoy some fresh air but don’t go outside. Buy take away pints but don’t drink them.

Get takeaway food and congregate on the pavement but don’t sit on a chair or at a table.

If rules make no sense, they’ll be ignored and that’s what’s happening.

It’ll start to become more sensible from the 7th onwards. We seem to have managed to create a sort of limbo between opening and outdoor dining.

TefalBrain

My daughter working in the RDS testing centre just rang me on her break to say it's incredibly busy in there today with lots and lots of younger people turning up to get tested (it's walk in centre today as well as appointments ). Also more than 100 builders from a local site got sent down for tests as outbreak at that particular location.

TefalBrain

TefalBrain wrote: »

My daughter working in the RDS testing centre just rang me on her break to say it's incredibly busy in there today with lots and lots of younger people turning up to get tested (it's walk in centre today as well as appointments ). Also more than 100 builders from a local site got sent down for tests as outbreak at that particular location.

if the vaccines are as good as they say, who cares what the numbers are?
No sickness and hospitalisations is what they say...

hotmail.com

FuzzyThinking wrote: »

No. It’s absolutely not. You might need to look up a definition of the far right. That’s 100% definitely not one of them.

At most it’s perhaps an expression of individuality, rebellion against authority or the status quo. It’s the polar opposite to the far right and it’s a significant part of youth culture and what’s been a defining aspect of it, certainly since the 1950s.

It’s not very helpful at the moment but it’s also not very helpful to apply totally inaccurate labels.

With a bit of good communication and organising things better, you could bring all that youthful energy on board.

Oh so going against the rules isn't far right.

I was led to believe it was according to some people.

Sofa King Great

TefalBrain wrote: »

My daughter working in the RDS testing centre just rang me on her break to say it's incredibly busy in there today with lots and lots of younger people turning up to get tested (It's walk in centre today as well as appointments ). Also more than 100 builders from a local site got sent down for tests as outbreak at that particular location.

If its walk in as well as appointments today then surely that is the explanation?

MrMusician18

FuzzyThinking wrote: »

This is getting down to people's perception of risk.

We need to be being across the idea that it’s about sensible levels of precaution, not extremely hard arbitrary rules.

We do seem to be in the exit phase. We’ll very likely have a situation where vaccine uptake in Ireland will probably end up being amongst the highest in the world and this will end here.

I think we need to manage the reopening better though. It has been utterly stupid to stager it so much. Either open or don’t open, but don’t serve take away pints on the street in a city on the first sunny days of the summer and expect nobody to turn up.

The planning of this has been very poor and the messages are like Boris Johnson : socialise outside but don’t socialise outside, but whatever do, please go outside and enjoy some fresh air but don’t go outside. Buy take away pints but don’t drink them.

Get takeaway food and congregate on the pavement but don’t sit on a chair or at a table.

If rules make no sense, they’ll be ignored and that’s what’s happening.

It’ll start to become more sensible from the 7th onwards. We seem to have managed to create a sort of limbo between opening and outdoor dining.

The guidelines are not that difficult to understand. Socialise outside in small groups. Avoid crowds.

hotmail.com

hotmail.com wrote: »

Oh so going against the rules isn't far right.

I was led to believe it was according to some people.

what is your understanding of Far right? and why are you so easily "led" in any instance, can you not make your own mind up about these things?

antifa movement is considered a far left ideology, so when they protest or go against say civil obedience rules, they then Veer right? by your understanding?
you know because smashing shops and looting is going against the rules yes? so they're far right yes?

ClosedAccountFuzzy

hotmail.com wrote: »

Oh so going against the rules isn't far right.

I was led to believe it was according to some people.

Your definition is way, way off to the point that is actually the opposite of what you’re describing.

I’d suggest that you Google a definition of left and right politics as a basic intro.

Coillte_Bhoy

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Would agree. The gardai need to step up their patrols and break up /arrest when appropriate groups who simply WILL NOT comply with the public health directions.

There needs to be more direction in that regard from the CMO NPHET and the govt.

Operational decisions for the Gardaí has absolutely nothing to do with the CMO and NPHET. Have you even thought about what you posted?

Eod100

https://twitter.com/DonnellyStephen/status/1399362915791159297?s=19

one year ago, Facebook was Banning folks and calling this "misinformation"
now all of a sudden, it's backing off and because biden is leading the charge
guess what?? we can all talk about the elephant in Wuhans room now!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/05/26/joe-biden-demands-follow-up-investigation-covid-origins-wuhan/

is_that_so

rusty cole wrote: »

one year ago, Facebook was Banning folks and calling this "misinformation"
now all of a sudden, it's backing off and because biden is leading the charge
guess what?? we can all talk about the elephant in Wuhans room now!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/05/26/joe-biden-demands-follow-up-investigation-covid-origins-wuhan/

There are a whole lot of ways that investigation could go. Nowhere is certainly one place but I'm betting on inconclusive no matter how hard some people want to nail China for it.

podgeandrodge

rusty cole wrote: »

one year ago, Facebook was Banning folks and calling this "misinformation"
now all of a sudden, it's backing off and because biden is leading the charge
guess what?? we can all talk about the elephant in Wuhans room now!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/05/26/joe-biden-demands-follow-up-investigation-covid-origins-wuhan/

It's gas isn't it.

hotmail.com

rusty cole wrote: »

what is your understanding of Far right? and why are you so easily "led" in any instance, can you not make your own mind up about these things?

antifa movement is considered a far left ideology, so when they protest or go against say civil obedience rules, they then Veer right? by your understanding?
you know because smashing shops and looting is going against the rules yes? so they're far right yes?

Antifa isn't in Ireland.

It looks like a lot of people are now going against the medical advice, the advice which they seem to support for so long and criticised others for questioning it.

Polar101

Amirani wrote: »

Mad suggestion, but provide additional transport options for people?

Public transport still operating at 50% of normal levels is completely unacceptable. There's been essentially no pro-active approach to things like this from the councils or Government.

It's operating at 50% capacity, but it just means 1 out of 2 seats is "blocked off". The number of trains and buses running is still the same. They don't have 50% of the trains and buses rusting in the depot. So removing the restriction wouldn't really change anything about overcrowded trains.

Eod100

Polar101 wrote: »

It's operating at 50% capacity, but it just means 1 out of 2 seats is "blocked off". The number of trains and buses running is still the same. They don't have 50% of the trains and buses rusting in the depot. So removing the restriction wouldn't really change anything about overcrowded trains.

Think there could be more frequency of DARTs on weekends as demand on sunny days goes well behind frequency even at 100% capacity.

crossman47

rusty cole wrote: »

if the vaccines are as good as they say, who cares what the numbers are?
No sickness and hospitalisations is what they say...

Which would be fine if everyone was vaccinated. And there will anyway be some hospitalisations. The vaccines are not 100 per cent effective.