Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

hotmail.com

hotmail.com wrote: »

Antifa isn't in Ireland.

It looks like a lot of people are now going against the medical advice, the advice which they seem to support for so long and criticised others for questioning it.

the geographical location has nothing to do with the point i made, are you seriously trying to sound dim?

that's like saying hitler was German not Irish so your point on Nazism is void!! wtf!

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rusty cole wrote: »

the geographical location has nothing to do with the point i made, are you seriously trying to sound dim?

that's like saying hitler was German not Irish so your point on Nazism is void!! wtf!

Can we please not bring Hitler into the thread.

repub

'safety' is driven by PCR numbers and not sick people.

We have an opportunity to minimize risk by using antigen testing. Let's do that and get back to life - this has dragged on way too long. The vunerable are vaccinated (or at least have been offered the vaccine). There is nothing to suggest we have to stay under our beds til the indian variant comes along...after all the UK variant was a red herring.

And here's the thing, when i check the irish stats friday last, of all the PCR tests, 1.9% have died. You have at worst a 98.1% chance of not dying of covid! Taking into a/c comorbidities, terminal illnesses(87% had an underlying illness), age (over half are over 80) and such like most people are way above 99%! Now we have vaccinated the vulnerable what are the chances slim as they are to start with? People are so long in lockdown they consider themselves at risk at this stage. It's overblown (the lockdown) and damaging. Even India is at 1.15% notwithstanding a delay in reporting...they're still below our percentage death.

Treat sick people. Let Healthy people live. We cannot shut down everything because some people will get sick it's just off the wall stuff. Look at the numbers - are people so brainwashed they cannot see the stats?


We cannot lockdown for variant after variant it's pure nonsense. People are out partying because they want to and need to. It is normal. Locking down is abnormal. It goes against everything we do as humans.

Amirani

https://twitter.com/TheRyanPrice/status/1399371926162886671

JP Liz V1

hotmail.com wrote: »

So many young people perhaps influenced by the far right who were against lockdown measures.

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Nah, they just don't care.

Or influenced by alcohol to act as bellends

Amirani

Amirani wrote: »

https://twitter.com/TheRyanPrice/status/1399371926162886671

Ah stop!

We really are so pathetic. Stay outdoors but don't be outdoors is the message they are putting out.

After all the nonsense people shaming of the last few days, less people will now go outside and more will have get togethers inside.

repub

Infini wrote: »

The government's communications at times have been shíte to say the least but people are just as bad when they want to be. Very shortly =/= Vaccinated now. Were about 6 weeks away from reaching 60% of the population fully immunized that and to be personally honest I don't want to be picking up the fúcking rona in work just a mere few weeks away from getting my first shot of the vaccine because a bunch of self centered fúckwits see the sun and all of a sudden common sense is thrown out the window for the sake of getting locked for funsies.

People can moan about the goverment being nannying and policing but while individuals can be intelligent groups of people can be shockingly stupid fúckwits. Look at the state of Fitzwiliam street or the shenanigans in Cork or Galway even. You'd think to have the common sense to space out not turn some places into mosh pits. You complain about the government being nannying but to counter your point people can be self entitled cúnts when they truly want to be and not giving a shít, making up any sort of excuse to anyone to suit their own ego.

We're not out of the woods till we get the vast majority of people FULLY vaccinated, I want nothing more than to go back to normal and enjoy a few pints and all that but we're only going to see the back of this once this thing is done properly, look at what happened at Christmas and how it fúcked up the first half of the year on us. Last thing we need after all of this is this Indian Variant starting off right before we hit the finish line even if it's on a lower scale. We put up with this bloody pandemic for over a year and a quarter I want it done for good this time and not see any more fúckups because people see "shiny sun" and suddenly massive booze parties are everywhere.

Exactly what woods are we in?

255,000 cases, 4941 deaths. 1.93%
Everyone has at worst a 98.07 chance of not dying of covid.
Even higher if not over 80 and not with a serious underlying illness.
In other words, it's extremely unlikely.
The vulnerable are vaccinated, let's get out of this sh!t show.

is_that_so

repub wrote: »

Exactly what woods are we in?

255,000 cases, 4941 deaths. 1.93%
Everyone has at worst a 98.07 chance of not dying of covid.
Even higher if not over 80 and not with a serious underlying illness.
In other words, it's extremely unlikely.
The vulnerable are vaccinated, let's get out of this sh!t show.

This is like baking a cake and taking it out early because you can't be bothered to wait! It's good practice to finish things off as far as possible first.

Honest question for anyone still supporting restrictions. What do you think is going to happen over the next 2 months or so until the majority of the country is vaccinated?

Do you honestly believe that lots of young people are suddenly going to start dying in the thousands? Do you think hospitalizations will increase to January levels with young people filling up ICU's? If this is your fear, we have over a year worth of data that suggests otherwise.

A year or two from now, people are going to be outraged that the housing, hospital and homeless crisis's etc are way worse than ever. And that will be largely because we sat in lockdown terrified to come out.

repub

is_that_so wrote: »

This is like baking a cake and taking it out early because you can't be bothered to wait! It's good practice to finish things off as far as possible first.

Finish what off though. I am not taking the figures from the population vs. death, only the number of people infected vs. deaths to show how 'deadly' it is and how lockdown is way out of proportion.

So much misplaced fear. The biggest places of infection have been nursing homes and hospitals. Had they focused theyre efforts there instead of the healthy masses we'd be in a way better place.

podgeandrodge

While I think there is probably only very small risk to outside drinking, and Holohan's rant was over the top, it is somewhat surprising that the vast majority of those there were likely unvaccinated from looking at the age group in the videos.

They are obviously not concerned about the risk at all, and at this stage, if there is indeed a risk outdoors (questionable but we will see in a week or so if figures multiply!), they are the biggest risk to themselves rather than older cohorts.

repub

Deleted User wrote: »

Honest question for anyone still supporting restrictions. What do you think is going to happen over the next 2 months or so until the majority of the country is vaccinated?

Do you honestly believe that lots of young people are suddenly going to start dying in the thousands? Do you think hospitalizations will increase to January levels with young people filling up ICU's? If this is your fear, we have over a year worth of data that suggests otherwise.

A year or two from now, people are going to be outraged that the housing, hospital and homeless crisis's etc are way worse than ever. And that will be largely because we sat in lockdown terrified to come out.

Variants are basically a resurgence of the virus in a mutated form ( a 2nd, 3rd, 4th wave). Are we to hang around biting our finger nails for every variant? It's absurd. If people really do believe all of the above, they'd be better to be treated for anxiety than getting countless vaccines.

Atlantic Dawn

The UK reported 1 Covid related death today ( rip to that person), proof that the Indian variant is not up to much V's the vaccine.

https://news.sky.com/story/uk-reports-one-covid-related-death-and-3-383-new-cases-in-latest-figures-12321589

is_that_so

repub wrote: »

Finish what off though. I am not taking the figures from the population vs. death, only the number of people infected vs. deaths to show how 'deadly' it is and how lockdown is way out of proportion.

So much misplaced fear. The biggest places of infection have been nursing homes and hospitals. Had they focused theyre efforts there instead of the healthy masses we'd be in a way better place.

Yeah, but deaths were never the problem. Fill up a heath system with COVID patients and you can do nothing else. That's what all of this tried to avoid.
Finish the vaccination programme and hit that 80% vaccinated target. That should see off COVID and limit it to minor outbreaks and that target really is only weeks away.

is_that_so

is_that_so wrote: »

Yeah, but deaths were never the problem. Fill up a heath system with COVID patients and you can do nothing else. That's what all of this tried to avoid.
Finish the vaccination programme and hit that 80% vaccinated target. That should see off COVID and limit it to minor outbreaks and that target really is only weeks away.

The real reason we locked down is because the government and everyone else were terrified that we'd have a death toll in the 6 figures. It became apparent very early on that that wouldn't be the case.

The majority of time we were in lockdown, our hospitals were nowhere near to being overwhelmed.

And its not because we were in lockdown. The illness simply wasn't peaking in Ireland or anywhere in Europe during most of those times.

We still seem to have people that believe thousands of young will end up in ICU if we relax some restrictions before everyone is vaccinated. Its pure hysteria

is_that_so

Deleted User wrote: »

The real reason we locked down is because the government and everyone else were terrified that we'd have a death toll in the 6 figures. It became apparent very early on that that wouldn't be the case.

The majority of time we were in lockdown, our hospitals were nowhere near to being overwhelmed.

And its not because we were in lockdown. The illness simply wasn't peaking in Ireland or anywhere in Europe during most of those times.

We still seem to have people that believe thousands of young will end up in ICU if we relax some restrictions before everyone is vaccinated. Its pure hysteria

Nope, it was to protect the health system but it was the near collapse of the Italian health system that frightened them, not deaths.

So said Leo on that fateful March day.

Its impact can be reduced making it easier for our health service to cope and giving our scientists more time to develop better testing, treatments and a vaccine.

https://merrionstreet.ie/en/news-room/news/statement_by_an_taoiseach_leo_varadkar_on_measures_to_tackle_covid-19_washington_12_march_2020.html

Dr. Bre

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

The UK reported 1 Covid related death today ( rip to that person), proof that the Indian variant is not up to much V's the vaccine.

https://news.sky.com/story/uk-reports-one-covid-related-death-and-3-383-new-cases-in-latest-figures-12321589

It’s the variants that we haven’t even discovered that we should be worried about

is_that_so

Dr. Bre wrote: »

It’s the variants that we haven’t even discovered that we should be worried about

The unknown unknowns! VUIs and VOCs are tiny proportion of the huge numbers of variants identified. We'll deal with them too.

brickster69

Dr. Bre wrote: »

It’s the variants that we haven’t even discovered that we should be worried about

If you do not look for them you will not find them

https://twitter.com/sandeep_PT/status/1399309712374394887

repub

is_that_so wrote: »

Nope, it was to protect the health system but it was the near collapse of the Italian health system that frightened them, not deaths.

So said Leo on that fateful March day.




https://merrionstreet.ie/en/news-room/news/statement_by_an_taoiseach_leo_varadkar_on_measures_to_tackle_covid-19_washington_12_march_2020.html

I agree it's because they thought we would be Italy. Theyre at 2.9% IMR now. 1% more than ireland's rate. Demographics played a huge part in that. It has been clear for a long time that we are not Italy though and definitely is right now!!!


Ah c'mon folks, we should be worried about what we don't know?!! Can't live like that - that wouldnt be 'living' .

Cork2021

Where’s Wally!!!!

https://twitter.com/walleyray/status/1399075614229889027?s=21

repub

Cork2021 wrote: »

Where’s Wally!!!!

https://twitter.com/walleyray/status/1399075614229889027?s=21

What significance is this really. The R rate won't do anything if you are a) below 70, b) vaccinated.

Country full of loonies.

Looking at no lockdown Sweden here, 1.3% death rate vs confirmed cases. That's .6% lower than Ireland.

Overall numbers 0.14% of population mortality, vs. Ireland 0.10.

What did we gain from lockdown?!

JP Liz V1

https://twitter.com/roinnslainte/status/1399406553984294912

TheDoctor

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/roinnslainte/status/1399406553984294912

Should go well under the 100 hospital figure this week (only went from 90 to 98 over the weekend)

PowerToWait

repub wrote: »

What significance is this really. The R rate won't do anything if you are a) below 70, b) vaccinated.

Country full of loonies.

Looking at no lockdown Sweden here, 1.3% death rate vs confirmed cases. That's .6% lower than Ireland.

Overall numbers 0.14% of population mortality, vs. Ireland 0.10.

What did we gain from lockdown?!

There’s an entire thread dedicated to this whole thing, I’m sure you’re aware. Why do we have to read the same incessant moaning on this thread as well?

hotmail.com

Is drinking on public streets legal or illegal?

Micky 32

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

The UK reported 1 Covid related death today ( rip to that person), proof that the Indian variant is not up to much V's the vaccine.

https://news.sky.com/story/uk-reports-one-covid-related-death-and-3-383-new-cases-in-latest-figures-12321589

Talking of India, seems like a major turnaround for them. Even though it’s still high they recorded 153k cases yesterday from a peak of 415k couple weeks back. Good to see after the hell they went through.

titan18

hotmail.com wrote: »

Is drinking on public streets legal or illegal?

It's illegal under most city by laws in Ireland.

namloc1980

hotmail.com wrote: »

Is drinking on public streets legal or illegal?

No national law against it but various councils have bye-laws against it across the country.

hotmail.com

namloc1980 wrote: »

No national law against it but various councils have bye-laws against it across the country.

The madness of this is very Irish.