Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

is_that_so

hotmail.com wrote: »

The madness of this is very Irish.

Then it's a madness that ignores borders, quite a lot of countries adopt this approach.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_in_public

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

The real reason we locked down is because the government and everyone else were terrified that we'd have a death toll in the 6 figures. It became apparent very early on that that wouldn't be the case.

The majority of time we were in lockdown, our hospitals were nowhere near to being overwhelmed.

And its not because we were in lockdown. The illness simply wasn't peaking in Ireland or anywhere in Europe during most of those times.

We still seem to have people that believe thousands of young will end up in ICU if we relax some restrictions before everyone is vaccinated. Its pure hysteria

I generally try and ignore these kind of posts but all of the above is complete rubbish. We live in a country that in normal times has about 250 staffed ICU beds. At it's worst we had 221 Covid patients in ICU (median age 60). That was 4 weeks after we implemented a full lockdown.

The point of lockdown has always been to make sure if you needed a hospital bed, you got one. Any developed country had to ensure that. We have had a harder time doing that as we simply don't have a health service with any spare capacity, it operates regularly over 100% in normal times. They are at permanent risk of being overwhelmed.

Take a quick look at the number on trolleys waiting to be admitted any day of the week, the reality is there for all to see.

noplacehere

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The logic/motive seems to be don’t provide these things in the hope people won’t do anything and continue to #StayAtHome.

It’s not like we’d no lead in time. We’ve been told about an outdoor summer since February. What have we done? Pedestrianise 3/4 streets and provide no extra capacity on public transport.

And then we operate a massively reactive response of closing streets, canals, or discussing closing transport or stations. Our problem for a long time is that we are about 99% reactive, 1% proactive. The councils/gardai/government response stinks of a Simpsons quote “Won’t somebody else do it?”

Summer is just starting and I saw a petition on Facebook for Kilcock because the Co. Co are closing the playground in two weeks time for 12-18 months. So outdoor summer and play dates…. Nope

is_that_so

May have been posted already but excellent to see this all the same.

Uptake of Covid-19 vaccines in Ireland is the envy of Europe, Dr Colm Henry, chief clinical officer of the Health Service Executive (HSE), has said, adding that the ability of the virus to cause harm is “significantly reduced”.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/uptake-of-covid-19-vaccines-in-ireland-the-envy-of-europe-1.4579771

accensi0n

is_that_so wrote: »

May have been posted already but excellent to see this all the same.



https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/uptake-of-covid-19-vaccines-in-ireland-the-envy-of-europe-1.4579771

Yet nowhere in the article does it actually provide a comparison to any other European countries..

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I generally try and ignore these kind of posts but all of the above is complete rubbish. We live in a country that in normal times has about 250 staffed ICU beds. At it's worst we had 221 Covid patients in ICU (median age 60). That was 4 weeks after we implemented a full lockdown.

The point of lockdown has always been to make sure if you needed a hospital bed, you got one. Any developed country had to ensure that. We have had a harder time doing that as we simply don't have a health service with any spare capacity, it operates regularly over 100% in normal times. They are at permanent risk of being overwhelmed.

Take a quick look at the number on trolleys waiting to be admitted any day of the week, the reality is there for all to see.

Not rubbish at all. Hospitals only got busy once. Unless you have some other figures…

is_that_so

accensi0n wrote: »

Yet nowhere in the article does it actually provide a comparison to any other European countries..

The IT generally assumes one can do basic maths and we've never had a significant level of hesitancy. The French level of hesitancy for example has fallen from 52% to 35% and they are pleased. It's quoting him offering an opinion, not comparing.

Here's a piece on some EU countries and it is a known issue or challenge.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/04/covid-vaccine-refuse-france-germany-us-quarter

Jim_Hodge

Deleted User wrote: »

Not rubbish at all. Hospitals only got busy once. Unless you have some other figures…

So, the actions taken worked perfectly? Congratulations to all concerned so.

lukas8888

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

So, the actions taken worked perfectly? Congratulations to all concerned so.

More like plenty of hospital space all due to the absence of the huge numbers of hyprocondriacs who over the years clogged up the aisles , who were more terrified of catching covid than needing urgent treatment for their imaginary life threatening conditions.

Jim_Hodge

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

So, the actions taken worked perfectly? Congratulations to all concerned so.

No, as explained above, the illness only peaked twice across Europe.

Really wasn’t much need for all the excessive lockdown.

TefalBrain

Incredible that after 14 months plus of this thing people still can't acknowledge the reason for the lockdowns and restrictions.

crossman47

Deleted User wrote: »

No, as explained above, the illness only peaked twice across Europe.

Really wasn’t much need for all the excessive lockdown.

Stated, yes. Explained, no.

JRant

hotmail.com wrote: »

Young people rejecting expert advice.

Is that not far right?

That's what young people have always done. Rallying against "the man". Doesn't make them far right for gods sake.

Wolf359f

accensi0n wrote: »

Yet nowhere in the article does it actually provide a comparison to any other European countries..

It's just lazy journalism, they could have at least used figures here:
https://qap.ecdc.europa.eu/public/extensions/COVID-19/vaccine-tracker.html#age-group-tab

corkie

Johnny0Toole wrote: »

Take a quick look at the number on trolleys waiting to be admitted any day of the week, the reality is there for all to see.

Takes me back to pre-covid and pre-election when trolley watch counts was been tweeted allot about.

http://www.iaem.ie/public/trolley-watch/

Ficheall

Where's the best place for the numbers these days? The hack seems to have made things signifcantly harder to find..

JP Liz V1

Ficheall wrote: »

Where's the best place for the numbers these days? The hack seems to have made things signifcantly harder to find..

The covid app isn't updated

Economics101

The DoH/HSE published some updated and revised daily case numbers a couple of days ago. These numbers did not get put on the App: Why? Also, they must know the test positivity rate which is arguably more meaningful than case numbers, yet there seems to be no recent data on this.

I know that hack makes things difficult, but there should be better and more up-to-date information.

Atlantic Dawn

I've seen it all now, WHO have decided that new variants will now receive a name from the Greek alphabet so as not to cause offence...

"no country should be stigmatised for detecting and reporting variants"

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0531/1225111-covid-who/

Wolf359f

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

I've seen it all now WHO will now receive a name from the Greek alphabet for variants so as not to cause offence...


https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0531/1225111-covid-who/

So they will all be Greek variants now!

Polar101

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

I've seen it all now, WHO have decided that new variants will now receive a name from the Greek alphabet so as not to cause offence...

At least the Brits got the alpha, they must be well pleased now.

gozunda

repub wrote: »

What significance is this really. The R rate won't do anything if you are a) below 70, b) vaccinated.

Country full of loonies.

Looking at no lockdown Sweden here, 1.3% death rate vs confirmed cases. That's .6% lower than Ireland.

Overall numbers 0.14% of population mortality, vs. Ireland 0.10.

What did we gain from lockdown?!

Lets look at what we gained ...



But for some that's not enough ....

What Username Guidelines

Hospital numbers dropped to 83

https://twitter.com/paulreiddublin/status/1399594979018915846?s=21

Cork2021

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Hospital numbers dropped to 83

https://twitter.com/paulreiddublin/status/1399594979018915846?s=21

Nice drop from 98, hopefully we continue to see a gradual drop off, only thing that comes to mind that could slow it down is the lag in limericks case numbers translating to hospitalisations but we don’t know anything about the ages of those people

is_that_so

Cork2021 wrote: »

Nice drop from 98, hopefully we continue to see a gradual drop off, only thing that comes to mind that could slow it down is the lag in limericks case numbers translating to hospitalisations but we don’t know anything about the ages of those people

TBH molehills and mountains spring to mind at this stage. Daily cases are absolutely static and we are now over 50% with first shots.

iamwhoiam

https://www.newstalk.com/news/luke-oneill-on-dublin-crowds-if-people-just-spread-out-a-bit-its-safe-outdoors-1203214

He said: "That problem in Dublin… if they spread out more it would have been fine. The density of the people is the issue there.

“You can understand people wanting to get out. In many ways, we saw this coming… and next weekend will be the same, watch, with the bank holiday.

“If people just spread out a bit, and aren’t in such dense crowds, it’s safe outdoors.

“I wouldn’t blame the young people - they want to get out and get back to things. But it’s a shame it wasn’t anticipated better.”

The Trinity professor said he's looked "very hard" to find examples of outdoor 'superspreader' events but hasn't really found them.



I always think that Luke O Neil is a voice of reason , he doesnt panic and just says it as it is

is_that_so

iamwhoiam wrote: »

https://www.newstalk.com/news/luke-oneill-on-dublin-crowds-if-people-just-spread-out-a-bit-its-safe-outdoors-1203214

He said: "That problem in Dublin… if they spread out more it would have been fine. The density of the people is the issue there.

“You can understand people wanting to get out. In many ways, we saw this coming… and next weekend will be the same, watch, with the bank holiday.

“If people just spread out a bit, and aren’t in such dense crowds, it’s safe outdoors.

“I wouldn’t blame the young people - they want to get out and get back to things. But it’s a shame it wasn’t anticipated better.”

The Trinity professor said he's looked "very hard" to find examples of outdoor 'superspreader' events but hasn't really found them.



I always think that Luke O Neil is a voice of reason , he doesnt panic and just says it as it is

He's still a rent an opinion pundit! Really won't miss any of these when this is over.

wadacrack

iamwhoiam wrote: »

https://www.newstalk.com/news/luke-oneill-on-dublin-crowds-if-people-just-spread-out-a-bit-its-safe-outdoors-1203214

He said: "That problem in Dublin… if they spread out more it would have been fine. The density of the people is the issue there.

“You can understand people wanting to get out. In many ways, we saw this coming… and next weekend will be the same, watch, with the bank holiday.

“If people just spread out a bit, and aren’t in such dense crowds, it’s safe outdoors.

“I wouldn’t blame the young people - they want to get out and get back to things. But it’s a shame it wasn’t anticipated better.”

The Trinity professor said he's looked "very hard" to find examples of outdoor 'superspreader' events but hasn't really found them.



I always think that Luke O Neil is a voice of reason , he doesnt panic and just says it as it is

I wouldn't necessary say voice of reason. He downplayed it before this all began. People do listen to him tho yea. Tends to gets his message out in a calm manner. The panic messaging from many other health officials isn't doing anyone any good.

The scenes at the weekend were poor but we yet again we have failed to properly plan for outdoor activities.

Thei is alot of unknowns about the Indian Variant in this country too. Going forward the HSE need better surveillance of voc's/voi's . That along with a good vaccine rollout and restrictions should be avoided. The lack of long term planning is a concern tho. Learning very little as this goes on.

Antares35

TefalBrain wrote: »

Incredible that after 14 months plus of this thing people still can't acknowledge the reason for the lockdowns and restrictions.

There are still people 14 months on who don't realise their nose stays inside the mask and that 2 metres isn't 2 inches. Anything is possible.

TefalBrain

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

I've seen it all now, WHO have decided that new variants will now receive a name from the Greek alphabet so as not to cause offence...

Wokeness gone mad.