Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

podgeandrodge

Drumpot wrote: »

Doctor of philosophy, PHD in teaching bioscience in national and international nurses education

https://uk.linkedin.com/in/dr-john-campbell-5256223b

- diploma in nursing
- certificate in tropical diseases
- certificate in nurses education
- Bachelor of Arts
- biology and health BSe
- post graduate certificate in pharmacology
- msc health science
-nurse tutor/lecturer university of Cumbria
- NHS A&E nurse

Been following him since February last year. A fantastic source of information , actually corrects any mistakes made, how often to tweeters, or news papers or news sources correct themselves?. Links all the information he discusses. A lifetime in nursing, training nursing and education in medicine. As a teacher , he’s brilliant at explaining stuff from medical journals the average joe couldn’t understand.

He’s mostly been way ahead of the curve. Regularly see stuff on mainstream media days/weeks after Dr John has already discussed it.

He’s well respected by multiple professionals who have been on his channel or have their own. Ones like medcram who are setup by highly qualified medical consultants in USA who do videos to help medical students training in USA think very highly of Dr John and have done Q&A with him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7J8SPczl6w

That’s a fairly decent endorsement.

Don't follow him myself, and he may be very good, but he knows well that calling himself "Dr John" implies he's a medical doctor to most people to boost his profile. (And I've seen the arguments that he is entitled to call himself a doctor etc., but in the context in which he is posting, I think it's disingenuous).

Drumpot

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Don't follow him myself, and he may be very good, but he knows well that calling himself "Dr John" implies he's a medical doctor to most people to boost his profile. (And I've seen the arguments that he is entitled to call himself a doctor etc., but in the context in which he is posting, I think it's disingenuous).

I think some of you need to get over yourselves. :pac:

cheezums

Drumpot wrote: »

Doctor of philosophy, PHD in teaching bioscience in national and international nurses education

https://uk.linkedin.com/in/dr-john-campbell-5256223b

- diploma in nursing
- certificate in tropical diseases
- certificate in nurses education
- Bachelor of Arts
- biology and health BSe
- post graduate certificate in pharmacology
- msc health science
-nurse tutor/lecturer university of Cumbria
- NHS A&E nurse

Been following him since February last year. A fantastic source of information , actually corrects any mistakes made, how often to tweeters, or news papers or news sources correct themselves?. Links all the information he discusses. A lifetime in nursing, training nursing and education in medicine. As a teacher , he’s brilliant at explaining stuff from medical journals the average joe couldn’t understand.

He’s mostly been way ahead of the curve. Regularly see stuff on mainstream media days/weeks after Dr John has already discussed it.

He’s well respected by multiple professionals who have been on his channel or have their own. Ones like medcram who are setup by highly qualified medical consultants in USA who do videos to help medical students training in USA think very highly of Dr John and have done Q&A with him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7J8SPczl6w

That’s a fairly decent endorsement.

He seems like a decent bloke but he's a nurse trainer basically. Not remotely qualified to give expert advice or insight into virology or epidemiology.

podgeandrodge

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Don't follow him myself, and he may be very good, but he knows well that calling himself "Dr John" implies he's a medical doctor to most people to boost his profile. (And I've seen the arguments that he is entitled to call himself a doctor etc., but in the context in which he is posting, I think it's disingenuous).

Drumpot wrote: »

I think some of you need to get over yourselves. :pac:

Nah, I couldn't really care less what he says and does, there's lots of crackpots out there and I think it's fair to say that he is not one of those. Just the "Doctor John" bit has the implication that he knows well it has! Let's face it, if he was "John", it might not have that ring to it!

Ficheall

cheezums wrote: »

Not remotely qualified to give expert advice or insight into virology or epidemiology.

Unlike the people on boards.

First Up

eskimohunt wrote:

I think a far more pertinent question is, why do we have a very high rate of COVID-19 deaths even though we have had the most severe, long-term lockdown.

Because a lot of people have ignored the lockdown.

First Up

First Up wrote: »

Because a lot of people have ignored the lockdown.

:rolleyes:

Think it has a little bit more to do with sending sick people into nursing homes and absolutely refusing to use Antigen tests in nursing homes and hospitals.

But yeah... suppose its just easier to blame a few people having a drink outdoors.

FintanMcluskey

First Up wrote: »

Because a lot of people have ignored the lockdown.

So lockdown doesn’t work then?

Ficheall

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

So lockdown doesn’t work then?

Your argument to suggest something doesn't work is that it doesn't work when it's not used?



Patient: Doctor, Doctor - my medication isn't working!
Doctor*: Did you take it?
Patient: No.






*Might only have a phd.

First Up

FintanMcluskey wrote:

So lockdown doesn’t work then?

Not if it is ignored it doesn't.

First Up

Deleted User wrote:

But yeah... suppose its just easier to blame a few people having a drink outdoors.

Or a few thousand.

timmyntc

Ficheall wrote: »

Your argument to suggest something doesn't work is that it doesn't work when it's not used?



Patient: Doctor, Doctor - my medication isn't working!
Doctor*: Did you take it?
Patient: No.






*Might only have a phd.

First Up wrote: »

Not if it is ignored it doesn't.

Laws are only as good as the people that follow them.
If there is widespread non-adherence to the law, then it is a bad law.
Same applies for public health restrictions - if you cannot get people to follow them, then the restrictions are not fit for purpose.

Going by that doctor analogy, we could say that forcing people to not leave their homes at all would be good restriction - because it would stop the spread great. Sure who cares if its unenforceable, thats the people's fault for not obeying :rolleyes:

First Up

timmyntc wrote:

Laws are only as good as the people that follow them. If there is widespread non-adherence to the law, then it is a bad law. Same applies for public health restrictions - if you cannot get people to follow them, then the restrictions are not fit for purpose.

So what do you suggest?

wadacrack

This is rea-assuring that the Indian variant is likely to be at low numbers in this country. Looks like we may have got lucky compared to the UK. Mandatory Hotel Quarantine came in a good time.

https://twitter.com/andrewflood/status/1399715947691270145

timmyntc

First Up wrote: »

So what do you suggest?

You give people controlled activities to do - as a kind of pressure release valve.
Activities we know are low risk like outdoor socialising, outdoor sport - meeting friends & other households outdoors should not have ever been banned.

If you ban everything, people will just meet indoors in high risk environments. Allowing people to socialise safely outdoors should have been the main priority throughout.

First Up

timmyntc wrote:

You give people controlled activities to do - as a kind of pressure release valve. Activities we know are low risk like outdoor socialising, outdoor sport - meeting friends & other households outdoors should not have ever been banned.

Outdoor socialising wasn't banned. We were just asked to keep a safe distance apart while doing it.

We were told not to have house parties but many did - and still do.

timmyntc

First Up wrote: »

Outdoor socialising wasn't banned. We were just asked to keep a safe distance apart while doing it.

We were told not to have house parties but many did - and still do.

Revisionism in full effect - at the height of level 5 lockdown we werent to meet up at all. Then it was 2 people meeting for exercise. Then later expanding a tiny bit more. It was several months before outdoor sport was allowed.

Even today we cannot go to a pub outdoors yet, you either drink outside and risk being fined by the gardai for public drinking, or you drink in someones house.

First Up

First Up wrote: »

Outdoor socialising wasn't banned. We were just asked to keep a safe distance apart while doing it.

We were told not to have house parties but many did - and still do.

Not hard to see why when we tell people to stay outdoors and then shame those outdoors. And I'm not talking about just last weekend.

There has been outrage multiple times over the last 15 months when parks/beaches were busy etc.

First Up

timmyntc wrote:

Revisionism in full effect - at the height of level 5 lockdown we werent to meet up at all. Then it was 2 people meeting for exercise. Then later expanding a tiny bit more. It was several months before outdoor sport was allowed.

Even today we cannot go to a pub outdoors yet, you either drink outside and risk being fined by the gardai for public drinking, or you drink in someones house.

So people ignore the reality of the infection spreading and break both the law and the medical advice and catch Covid out of spite.

And you think someone else is to blame?

Coillte_Bhoy

timmyntc wrote: »

Revisionism in full effect - at the height of level 5 lockdown we werent to meet up at all. Then it was 2 people meeting for exercise. Then later expanding a tiny bit more. It was several months before outdoor sport was allowed.

Even today we cannot go to a pub outdoors yet, you either drink outside and risk being fined by the gardai for public drinking, or you drink in someones house.

Really? I dont think so

lucernarian

Amirani wrote: »

That's why you're not a scientist.

"Knowing" something in science involves statistically significant evidence. That didn't exist in March 2020. Science is a process and it's important that conclusions aren't made on the same basis that dogs in the street make them.

In saying that, I felt the messaging from WHO at the time did not age well as the scientific discussion early in the pandemic did go rather gung-ho on the fomite/droplet avenues of infection (akin to how influenza spreads). When evidence from China and South Korea started to be published indicating airborne transmission and the importance of ventilation, both I and my friends in the scientific community felt this aspect was increasingly neglected in Ireland (and many other places too).

lucernarian

Ficheall wrote: »

Your argument to suggest something doesn't work is that it doesn't work when it's not used?



Patient: Doctor, Doctor - my medication isn't working!
Doctor*: Did you take it?
Patient: No.






*Might only have a phd.

It's laughable isn't it? In the places around the world where "lockdowns" and stay at home orders were enforced, influenza has almost completely stopped circulating in humans. If stopping a pandemic is your aim, they do "work", just need to be used as a last resort and have other / "better" tools to dealing with pandemics in place like sentinel monitoring and sequencing, stockpiles of PPE etc.

ypres5

[Deleted User] wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Think it has a little bit more to do with sending sick people into nursing homes and absolutely refusing to use Antigen tests in nursing homes and hospitals.

But yeah... suppose its just easier to blame a few people having a drink outdoors.

It's a bit like George Lee hanging the pubs and restaurants on the evening news after they'd been shut for 4 months

timmyntc

First Up wrote: »

So people ignore the reality of the infection spreading and break both the law and the medical advice and catch Covid out of spite.

And you think someone else is to blame?

wha??

Atlantic Dawn

Zero Covid related deaths in UK today, time our common travel area opened up..

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-uk-reports-zero-daily-coronavirus-related-deaths-for-first-time-since-pandemic-began-12322274

Cork2021

No deaths reported in the UK today first time since the pandemic began!!!

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-uk-reports-zero-daily-coronavirus-related-deaths-for-first-time-since-pandemic-began-12322274

FintanMcluskey

Cork2021 wrote: »

No deaths reported in the UK today first time since the pandemic began!!!

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-uk-reports-zero-daily-coronavirus-related-deaths-for-first-time-since-pandemic-began-12322274

But the variants?

Cork2021

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

But the variants?

Oh yes those Greeks again!! They invented variants the bastards!!

Timmy O Toole

The Vietnamese scariant next.

Atlantic Dawn

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

But the variants?

The UK is doing much better with less hospitalisations and deaths since the new variants came along.