Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

is_that_so

Edz87 wrote: »

If the government were afraid of being blamed for deaths then who made the decision to put Covid positive people into nursing homes?

Was it Holohan?

HSE for public and HIQA for private homes but bad infection control played a huge part. Even HIQA recognised in a report that at least 20% were not up to scratch.

boardise

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

It's the Kappa variant. Please try to keep up.

There's a Cappagh in Co. Clare :eek:

No relation I hope.

Sweet.Science

shadyslimshady wrote: »

The budget is start of October, honestly think they want us locked down as close as possible to it to justify the major tax hikes that are coming.

Either that or they are completely clueless.

There will be an election before then

is_that_so

Sweet.Science wrote: »

There will be an election before then

No there won't, we'll get at least to the end of 2022.

TheFinanceGod

Have an outdoor summer they said, meet outdoors only they said.

But what do they do? They go lock up, block off and seal outdoor areas where people gather. Those scumbags at DCC have already started sealing off the Iveagh Gardens and St.Stephens Green.


See here; https://twitter.com/Caolanmcaree/status/1400085217096962051?s=20


What a horrible, horrible country to live in right now. Ireland truly is in a grim state.

is_that_so

TheFinanceGod wrote: »

Have an outdoor summer they said, meet outdoors only they said.

But what do they do? They go lock up, block off and seal outdoor areas where people gather. Those scumbags at DCC have already started sealing off the Iveagh Gardens and St.Stephens Green.


See here; https://twitter.com/Caolanmcaree/status/1400085217096962051?s=20


What a horrible, horrible country to live in right now. Ireland truly is in a grim state.

Meh, it's not the mammies with the babbies who will sit there nor even that precious tweeter; it's the crowd with a few cans and anyone else who fancies themselves an outdoor party. Not the first time that has happened BTW and we really are nearly there.

Coillte_Bhoy

Deleted User wrote: »

You answered it yourself here. There is no big hidden agenda.

Just a bunch of very well paid cowards taking advice from a bunch of risk adverse, very well paid doctors. None of them have suffered or will suffer too much from any economic downturn.

If questions are ever asked they'll all just shrug their shoulders and mumble something about "saving lives".

Easier to just borrow billions, sit in lockdown for months and months and hit the tax payers hard down the line.

You still haven't answered the specific why "they want to drag out the restrictions for as long as possible"

speckle

TheFinanceGod wrote: »

Have an outdoor summer they said, meet outdoors only they said.

But what do they do? They go lock up, block off and seal outdoor areas where people gather. Those scumbags at DCC have already started sealing off the Iveagh Gardens and St.Stephens Green.


See here; https://twitter.com/Caolanmcaree/status/1400085217096962051?s=20


What a horrible, horrible country to live in right now. Ireland truly is in a grim state.

Agreed I have played gigs on that bandstand..lateral thinking why not have musicians playing on it so the people can sit in groups around the grass even the instrumental/calming type ..oh I forgot our gov/nphet doesnt follow the science like the research from bristol university on singing and music and DCC dont want to make the effort.

is_that_so

speckle wrote: »

Agreed I have played gigs on that bandstand..lateral thinking why not have musicians playing on it so the people can sit in groups around the grass even the instrumental/calming type ..oh I forgot our gov/nphet doesnt follow the science like the research from bristol university on singing and music and DCC dont want to make the effort.

In normal times it's a lovely spot but they take the view, rightfully, that people with nowhere else to go are very likely to gather in large numbers there.

speckle

is_that_so wrote: »

In normal times it's a lovely spot but they take the view, rightfully, that people with nowhere else to go are very likely to gather in large numbers there.

Even if its classical music?...that might actually spread out the numbers more

shadyslimshady

Yes Tony you've lost the public.

Complaining about young people enjoying themselves during the summer, go away to feck and back into your hole.

Country should be fully open now with moderate restrictions in place.

Jim_Hodge

boardise wrote: »

There's a Cappagh in Co. Clare :eek:

No relation I hope.

As they are completely different words with different meanings and different etymology and only have the commonality of rhyming, I doubt it.

Silentcorner

shadyslimshady wrote: »

Yes Tony you've lost the public.

Complaining about young people enjoying themselves during the summer, go away to feck and back into your hole.

Country should be fully open now with moderate restrictions in place.

He is like the bishops in the 90s....

Not enough people care any more!!! Sure, you'd still see people clinging to rosary beads but the youth have moved on!

Varadkar stated in the Dail only two weeks ago that we were closely following CDC (USA) recommendations pretty much.....only about half the States in the US have long since abandoned the CDC, and things are starting to get a little spicy for the leadership of the CDC!!! Keep an eye on what is happening there!

techdiver

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

You still haven't answered the specific why "they want to drag out the restrictions for as long as possible"

The government don't "want" the restrictions to last as long as possible, but they are terrified to go against NPHET because by nature politicians are arse coverers and do not act in then public interest.

NPHET do indeed want restrictions to last as long as possible as their only remit is to protect the health service and the best way to do that is to lockdown the population. They have no concern for the wider impact of these restrictions either from a financial or societal point of view yet they are the group who dictate (yes, dictate to our weak government) as to what is permitted. It is a risk averse group and because they don't have to live with the consequence of their actions in the long term like the general population, it is quite easy to make these decisions.

aziz

speckle wrote: »

Even if its classical music?...that might actually spread out the numbers more

Ah no,you need jazz for that.😉

bucketybuck

Deleted User wrote: »

You answered it yourself here. There is no big hidden agenda.

Just a bunch of very well paid cowards taking advice from a bunch of risk adverse, very well paid doctors. None of them have suffered or will suffer too much from any economic downturn.

If questions are ever asked they'll all just shrug their shoulders and mumble something about "saving lives".

Easier to just borrow billions, sit in lockdown for months and months and hit the tax payers hard down the line.

And if Tony can take a few pubs out and drive people away from the demon drink in the process, well, thats just a bonus.

speckle

aziz wrote: »

Ah no,you need jazz for that.😉

Thanks I am unstoppingly, irreprehensibly giggling at that reply

Wombatman

If deaths per million was the Euro Championship and Tony was the Ireland manager, he'd be getting the freedom of Dublin and an open top bus ride.

funnydoggy

hotmail.com wrote: »

When is Eileen Dunne going to stop saying Stay Safe at the end of the 9 O'clock News?

I said it to a customer in work the other day, it just slipped out. Felt embarrassed hahaha! Just think things are so good now it may have been a bit silly of me lol

techdiver

Wombatman wrote: »

If deaths per million was the Euro Championship and Tony was the Ireland manager, he'd be getting the freedom of Dublin and an open top bus ride.

What was done apart from shuttering business and having the longest lockdown in Europe? Coupled with an advantageous starting point of having one of the youngest populations in Europe?

Silentcorner

techdiver wrote: »

What was done apart from shuttering business and having the longest lockdown in Europe? Coupled with an advantageous starting point of having one of the youngest populations in Europe?

He protected the old and vulnerable in care homes?

Oh wait....

normanoffside

Wombatman wrote: »

If deaths per million was the Euro Championship and Tony was the Ireland manager, he'd be getting the freedom of Dublin and an open top bus ride.

We have the youngest population in Europe.
It's be more like Tony Managing the USA to the Olympic gold in basketball. A donkey could do it.

Doctor Jimbob

Wombatman wrote: »

If deaths per million was the Euro Championship and Tony was the Ireland manager, he'd be getting the freedom of Dublin and an open top bus ride.

We’re 16th in terms of lowest deaths per million in Europe, not even quarter final material.

is_that_so

Silentcorner wrote: »

He protected the old and vulnerable in care homes?

Oh wait....

Yeah, he's fair game but people really need to stop imagining he was involved with everything. NPHET just advise. HSE and the various governments implemented actions.

WoollyRedHat

Ireland really taking the Fencing World Championships seriously.. fence me if you can.

Silentcorner

is_that_so wrote: »

Yeah, he's fair game but people really need to stop imagining he was involved with everything. NPHET just advise. HSE and the various governments implemented actions.

He is involved with everything, we saw that again last weekend.

WE have mentioned here over and over, our spineless politicians allowed an unelected Health Bureaucrat with fairly obvious personality/character flaws run this country over the last 15 months (allowing for some absences)....he says jump, our elected leaders say how high!!!

There is consequences for all these actions....the man is plenty capable of throwing young people socializing in Dublin under a bus, has anyone asked him how many can we expect to die prematurely on account of the now massive Waiting lists....I'll bet a lot more than will be affected by what he saw last Saturday.

fr336

I haven't been on this thread for probably a year - reassuring to see the same old arguments I very much doubt the govt wants restrictions forever...it must get boring seeing the economy going down the toilet and the masses moaning at them. Being in the UK and young(ish), have had my first jab and second is in a matter of weeks.

Tony Holohan got another quote-dig in at the youth of today, this time referencing Croke Park - great for headlines, as he well knows.

Claims it is not a "moral" statement, but it is clearly a moral admonition.

He will do whatever it takes to remain in the spotlight and as "relevant" as possible.

PTH2009

I'm ashamed of this country 'ALL IN THIS TOGETHER' Me swiss

Teenagers/younger people getting scrutinized but its not there fault very little of them/us can get a vaccine as our supply is so slow

FintanMcluskey

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/dr-tony-holohan-doubles-down-on-criticism-of-crowds-socialising-in-dublin-city-last-weekend-1.4581918?localLinksEnabled=false&utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Dr+Tony+Holohan+doubles+down+on+criticism+of+crowds+socialising+in+Dublin+city+last+weekend&utm_campaign=evening_update_digest&mode=amp

Chief medical officer Dr Tony Holohan has doubled down on his criticism of large crowds socialising in Dublin city centre last weekend.

The scenes of crowds mixing on South William Street “looked like Jones’s Road on the day of an All-Ireland”, he said.

Thanks for that Tony

Was fairly certain your remit was to advise government though