Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

PatrickDoherty

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Yeah this is a ridiculous statement that you could use for every tragedy that happens daily

Dont agree, covid isnt some fluke tragedy it can be mitigated against with public health measures.

wadacrack

Micky 32 wrote: »

Just for clarity over the variants. Out of all the 12383+ delta cases in the UK ( as of June 3rd) 126 admitted to hospital, only 3 fully vaxxed ended up in hospital. 83 were not vaccinated, 28 had one shot.

Yea that news came out after this post . Good news

Sweet.Science

PatrickDoherty wrote: »

Dont agree, covid isnt some fluke tragedy it can be mitigated against with public health measures.

Well so can every tragedy . But it would be laughable to do so and unrealistic . But here we are with covid after 3m jabs

WoollyRedHat

TefalBrain wrote: »

Brilliant to see. Have a table booked later for my wife and myself. Feel like a kid at Xmas seriously

Jesus don't mention Christmas, you'll jinx it!

funnydoggy

PatrickDoherty wrote: »

Dont agree, covid isnt some fluke tragedy it can be mitigated against with public health measures.

Yup, but it is being mitigated

We're at the 400 case mark now for the last few weeks for a few reasons, namely: a higher transmission rate from one of the variants, and the fact that more young people are meeting up. Those two aren't bad things either - - despite the higher transmission rate, deaths have plummeted and that's largely because we've done a good job at protecting the vulnerable through public health measures and vaccination. A non-vulnerable young person who gets COVID is most likely mild or asymptomatic.


As the country re-opens from today, it is important to remember that NPHET and the government are super cautious. They're making the decision to open up based on current information available to them, and on their projections.

We've nearly broken the back of this thing and it's becoming more evident each day!

podgeandrodge

eskimohunt wrote: »

Figures continuing to DROP!!!!

No to delaying re-opening!

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1401907306128891907

Would we have seen by now if the outdoor parties last week caused any spike? Enough days passed? If there is no spike, does it mean that Tony's absolute shock was unnecessary?

User1998

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Would we have seen by now if the outdoor parties last week caused any spike? Enough days passed? If there is no spike, does it mean that Tony's absolute shock was unnecessary?

There have been outdoor parties for over a month now, its just recently they have been broadcasted on social media. Definitely no spikes so far

is_that_so

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Would we have seen by now if the outdoor parties last week caused any spike? Enough days passed? If there is no spike, does it mean that Tony's absolute shock was unnecessary?

Even if there is one, it's the level of vaccinations breaking the chain of transmissions that is at work.

bucketybuck

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Would we have seen by now if the outdoor parties last week caused any spike? Enough days passed? If there is no spike, does it mean that Tony's absolute shock was unnecessary?

Tony's fake shock was always unnecessary and everybody knew it, even the true believers didn't bother pretending there was going to be any spike from those gatherings, they went with the noise and litter complaints instead.

Tony knew full well there wouldn't be any covid related spike, he just doesn't like young people drinking.

Azatadine

bucketybuck wrote: »

Tony's fake shock was always unnecessary and everybody knew it, even the true believers didn't bother pretending there was going to be any spike from those gatherings, they went with the noise and litter complaints instead.

Tony knew full well there wouldn't be any covid related spike, he just doesn't like young people drinking.

Just on this, I've seen it come up again and again in the threads, is there some evidence that Holohan doesn't like young people drinking or is it just people's assumption?

seamus

Marty Bird wrote: »

Yep it’s a huge factor in this, very little talked about it as its seen has fat shaming, elephant in the room pardon the pun.

There's still an element of randomness to it. Even in that article, his wife is overweight too and wasn't hit hard.

But yes, I agree. The impact of obesity in terms of peoples' risk factors has been downplayed. Someone I very much respect has been suffering long covid, and on Twitter takes to warning that Covid is a risk to everyone. One tweet said before covid she was "healthy and relatively fit and active". Now, I know for a fact this woman has been morbidly obese for about two decades, and is likely in the bottom 10% of her age bracket for fitness. I don't think she's lying; I think she genuinely believes that she used to be "relatively" fit and healthy.

I'm not sure there is a concerted effort to avoid offending fat people. I think fat people don't see the danger they are in, and the media are desperate for any "no underlying conditions" horror story they can find. You notice in the Sky article, they're careful not to show any wide shots of him. Face only.

PatrickDoherty wrote: »

lol getting long covid is a joke now and the odd young healthy person dying doesnt matter long as its not somebody belong to you

If long covid and the odd rare death were the only consequences of Covid, we'd have never locked down and life would have gone on as normal.

Azatadine wrote: »

Just on this, I've seen it come up again and again in the threads, is there some evidence that Holohan doesn't like young people drinking or is it just people's assumption?

It's an assumption. Holohan has quite rightly pointed out throughout this, that socialising with alcohol is a gigantic risk factor because people drop their guard and ignore the guidelines after 3 or 4 pints.

Since some people cannot comprehend how young people are supposed to have fun without alcohol, they've interpreted this to think that Holohan hates alcohol and young people.

normanoffside

Azatadine wrote: »

Just on this, I've seen it come up again and again in the threads, is there some evidence that Holohan doesn't like young people drinking or is it just people's assumption?

On the phone so I can’t link.
Minimum Unit Alcohol pricing is pretty much his idea and he has been trying to get it through for over 10 years now.
He has also hosted various anti-alcohol events including an international one in March 2020 in Dublin (which he insisted go ahead in full despite the beginnings of the pandemic).

bucketybuck

seamus wrote: »

It's an assumption. Holohan has quite rightly pointed out throughout this, that socialising with alcohol is a gigantic risk factor because people drop their guard and ignore the guidelines after 3 or 4 pints.

Since some people cannot comprehend how young people are supposed to have fun without alcohol, they've interpreted this to think that Holohan hates alcohol and young people.

Your interpretation here is hilariously ironic considering Tony Holohan is so frequently on record as being anti-alcohol, with quotes easily found online demonstrating this. Consider:

As the CMO the health of the Irish population is my first priority. However, no-one can deny the huge economic challenge we are experiencing now. In the current economic climate the health service will be forced to make difficult choices. In this context we can no longer afford the negative consequence of alcohol use.

That is from 2010, the opening address at a conference for alcohol action Ireland. There is a lot similar in the speech, including:

We must now say that we will no longer accept this burden that alcohol is placing on our families, our society, our health and our lives. And we must act now.

In 2012 Holohan launched a government steering group which included such recommendations as:

a complete ban of all alcohol related advertising and that some wanted a 9pm watershed, a ban of alcohol advertising in cinemas and a prohibition of outdoor alcohol advertising.

Holohan is also the person who proposed the ban on alcohol sponsorship at sporting events.

A total ban on all sponsorship of sporting events by alcohol brands by 2016 is just one of a number of proposals that will be brought to Cabinet in the coming months.
The proposal was revealed today by Dr Tony Holohan, Chief Medical Officer at the Department of Health

Regarding which he said:

"Irish adults drink in a more dangerous way than any other country," said Dr Holohan, chairman of the National Substance Misuse Strategy Steering Group. "In effect, 1.5 million Irish drinkers drink in a harmful pattern and this needs to be addressed."

And of course there was the "Global Alcohol Policy Convention" annual conference in Dublin Castle, March 2020, organised in partnership with the Department of Health. Tony refused to cancel that while at the same time he was cancelling rugby matches due to a certain virus.

To again quote Tony himself:

As somebody who was involved in the work on the Public Health Alcohol Bill for nine years

Perhaps you're right, I don't actually know how anybody could think Tony Holohan has an issue with alcohol.

Avon8

normanoffside wrote: »

On the phone so I can’t link.
Minimum Unit Alcohol pricing is pretty much his idea and he has been trying to get it through for over 10 years now.
He has also hosted various anti-alcohol events including an international one in March 2020 in Dublin (which he insisted go ahead in full despite the beginnings of the pandemic).

They cancelled the outdoor 6 nations game on a Saturday and yet he decided to hold the indoor anti-alcohol event of 1,000 people + on the Monday -Wednesday afterwards. Now much was unknown about the virus and indoor v outdoor back then but you'd have imagined our CMO would've had the good sense to cancel an unnecessary event flying hundreds of people in from dozens of countries.

However he was a guest speaker and it's a cause he's very passionate about

seamus

bucketybuck wrote: »

Your interpretation here is hilariously ironic considering Tony Holohan is so frequently on record as being anti-alcohol, with quotes easily found online demonstrating this.

Putting measures in place to reduce the impact of alcohol on public health doesn't make one "anti-alcohol". I agree with most of these measures, does that mean I hate alcohol?

bucketybuck

seamus wrote: »

Putting measures in place to reduce the impact of alcohol on public health doesn't make one "anti-alcohol". I agree with most of these measures, does that mean I hate alcohol?

If you spend over a decade campaigning and implementing measures designed to stop people drinking then I will reserve the right to consider you to have an issue with alcohol.

Not much interested in disingenuous wordplay to be honest. Mr Holohans words both during and long before the pandemic make it very clear where he stands.

Bubbaclaus

Ireland's chief medical officer being anti one of the biggest causes of health issues in the country. Stop the presses, breaking news.

bucketybuck

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Ireland's chief medical officer being anti one of the biggest causes of health issues in the country. Stop the presses, breaking news.

"Holohan is anti-alcohol"
"Says who?"
"...Shows the supporting evidence..."
"Why are you pointing out the obvious?"

crossman47

bucketybuck wrote: »

If you spend over a decade campaigning and implementing measures designed to stop people drinking then I will reserve the right to consider you to have an issue with alcohol.

Not much interested in disingenuous wordplay to be honest. Mr Holohans words both during and long before the pandemic make it very clear where he stands.

I doubt if he has an issue with alcohol as such. it is the excessive use of alcohol to which Ireland is so prone that he would like to stop. His chances, I'm afraid, are slim to none.

podgeandrodge

crossman47 wrote: »

I doubt if he has an issue with alcohol as such. it is the excessive use of alcohol to which Ireland is so prone that he would like to stop. His chances, I'm afraid, are slim to none.

His view on excessive and most other peoples are likely quite different.

Bubbaclaus

bucketybuck wrote: »

"Holohan is anti-alcohol"
"Says who?"
"...Shows the supporting evidence..."
"Why are you pointing out the obvious?"

Are you having a conversation with yourself? What you quoted is my only post on the matter.

Mark1916

https://twitter.com/eoghanymurphy/status/1402261415969406988?s=21

Big milestone for the north

bucketybuck

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Are you having a conversation with yourself? What you quoted is my only post on the matter.

"Holohan is anti-alcohol"
"Says who?"
"...Shows the supporting evidence..."
"Why are you pointing out the obvious?"
"Here is a summary of the actual conversation you jumped into"
"Are you talking to yourself?"




Should I have added in names to make it easier for you to follow?

Mitch Connor

bucketybuck wrote: »

"Holohan is anti-alcohol"
"Says who?"
"...Shows the supporting evidence..."
"Why are you pointing out the obvious?"

The inference of the comments is that he wants no one drinking ever and that he wants to shut down the pubs for good. Which I don't think is fair. We regularly see comments that NPHET and Tony won't be happy until there are no more pubs open ever.

Ireland has a very unhealty relationship with alcohol, and it should be addressed. the CMO is exactly the person that should be working to address this.

FFS, we live in a country where politicians argue that Farmers should be allowed to drink and drive because having a pint is the only possible way they could socialise.

Those measures on Alcohol, by the way (advertising ban, sponsorship ban etc) are the same that have already been placed against tobacco.

Mitch Connor

podgeandrodge wrote: »

His view on excessive and most other peoples are likely quite different.

I don't think that is the mic-drop comment you think it is.

Bubbaclaus

bucketybuck wrote: »

"Holohan is anti-alcohol"
"Says who?"
"...Shows the supporting evidence..."
"Why are you pointing out the obvious?"
"Here is a summary of the actual conversation you jumped into"
"Are you talking to yourself?"




Should I have added in names to make it easier for you to follow?

Its different people making different points. You are trying to make it look like a poster is tripping up with their own argument or something. Strange behaviour really. Is it to make it look like you have out debated someone and caused them to trip up?

Bubbaclaus

Mitch Connor wrote: »

The inference of the comments is that he wants no one drinking ever and that he wants to shut down the pubs for good. Which I don't think is fair. We regularly see comments that NPHET and Tony won't be happy until there are no more pubs open ever.

Its a bizarre trail of thought really isn't it. Holohan has quite often referenced being looking forward to having a pint himself during periods where we were coming out of lockdowns.

Some people have fallen down a rabbit hole and think he wants to ban alcohol or something else they probably read on a Facebook group they shouldn't have joined, when the reality is the Chief Medical Officer simply is trying to push for rules that will create a healthier relationship with alcohol.

bucketybuck

Mitch Connor wrote: »

The inference of the comments is that he wants no one drinking ever and that he wants to shut down the pubs for good.

In fairness, the real inference is that he is using Covid as an opportunity to push an anti-alcohol agenda, with all that implies.

TheDoctor

271 cases..... not good enough.

Vicxas

TheDoctor wrote: »

271 cases..... not good enough.

Disgraceful altogether