Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

FintanMcluskey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

He sounds like a political dignitary here on a visit

Any wonder he continually oversteps his remit

Would ye go away with this bogeyman sh*te.

bucketybuck

TefalBrain wrote: »

So no Covid deaths yet again. How long is that now?

I believe it is now over a month since they released any details on the current death rate from covid. They know all the case numbers and they know the vaccination numbers, but the daily death rate that was so prevalent for over a year is now totally absent. Don't ask why.

saabsaab

Cork2021 wrote: »

So 20% of the vulnerable won’t be protected. Where did she get these stats? More scaremongering crap!
No indication of these people were already ill with another disease ie cancer etc!

Fûcking muppets,


https://twitter.com/drhoenderkamp/status/1403992233037250561?s=21

I wonder what vaccine they had?

Roger_007

Cork2021 wrote: »

So 20% of the vulnerable won’t be protected. Where did she get these stats? More scaremongering crap!
No indication of these people were already ill with another disease ie cancer etc!

Fûcking muppets,


https://twitter.com/drhoenderkamp/status/1403992233037250561?s=21

I have heard claims from Luke O’Neill, amongst others, that while being fully vaccinated might not prevent a person from getting infected, it would 100% prevent hospitalisation or death. This is proving not to be the case.

Klonker

Roger_007 wrote: »

I have heard claims from Luke O’Neill, amongst others, that while being fully vaccinated might not prevent a person from getting infected, it would 100% prevent hospitalisation or death. This is proving not to be the case.

There's always going to be differences between trials and real life. Take a huge trial of 20k, 10k get vaccine and 10k get placebo. In the unvaccinated, a guesstimate (depending on prevalence of covid in that location at that time) 500 may get covid. Depending on their ages a handful may die. In the vaccinated, if we say the vaccine protects against disease in 80% of cases, that would leave about 100 cases in the vaccinated. Very easily none of that 100 would die if the vaccine even helps slightly with preventing death on top of preventing catching the virus in the first place. If none of them died then you'd say it 100% prevents deaths.

If like in the UK 1000s are catching covid everyday you will have some deaths in the vaccinated cohorts but you'd expect them to be significantly less than the unvaccinated. It would be interested to see what ages the people who died of covid in the UK who were vaccinated. I'd expect they'd be old with suspect immune systems.

Kunta Kinte

TheDoctor wrote: »

Into believing everything Tony says is always 100% correct.

Completely agreed.

Nope doc. Fail. Try harder.

Kunta Kinte

Deleted User wrote: »

Would ye go away with this bogeyman sh*te.

Fintan and his discredited band of acolytes to stop their moronic anti NPHET/anti Holohan ranting crusade? Some hope of that.

bucketybuck

Roger_007 wrote: »

This is proving not to be the case.

How many people have died from covid in the last month?

TheDoctor

Kunta Kinte wrote: »

Nope doc. Fail. Try harder.

I would but last time you had an epic melt down. Swears and personal attacks!

Don’t want you to get a second red card, on the same thread, on the same day.

Be embarrassing.

Running rings around you once a day is enough for me boss!

TefalBrain

bucketybuck wrote: »

I believe it is now over a month since they released any details on the current death rate from covid. They know all the case numbers and they know the vaccination numbers, but the daily death rate that was so prevalent for over a year is now totally absent. Don't ask why.

Cyber attack something something

Nothing to do with vaccinations no siree Bob

Roger_007

Roger_007 wrote: »

I have heard claims from Luke O’Neill, amongst others, that while being fully vaccinated might not prevent a person from getting infected, it would 100% prevent hospitalisation or death. This is proving not to be the case.

Luke O'Neill has a tendency to make categorical statements, its generally not what good scientists do where there are still so many unknowns.

gozunda

Deeper Blue wrote: »

It really isn't

Oh yes it is ...

gozunda

Klonker wrote: »

Did NPHET not project cases would increase due to our easing of restrictions, even with more and more getting vaccinated every week? I thought that was the case but I'm open to correction.

As an aside, I wonder will we start to see a decrease in cases now that secondary schools are closed?

Yes they did. So we should have a fairly constant background noise of cases due to the continued easing of restrictions afaik. Problem is no way of determining whats are the specific drivers if any. Though no point adding to it regardless.

Re schools - kids and teenagers will still be meeting up over summer holidays. But again what was the data from last year at the same like?

Beasty

Kunta Kinte wrote: »

Nope doc. Fail. Try harder.

Not learning from prior mod actions

Do not post in this thread again

Klonker

gozunda wrote: »

Yes they did. So we should have a fairly constant background noise of cases due to the continued easing of restrictions afaik. Problem is no way of determining whats are the specific drivers if any. Though no point adding to it regardless.

Re schools - kids and teenagers will still be meeting up over summer holidays. But again what was the data from last year at the same like?

Yeah I agree it's very hard say what's the driver of cases rising/falling. If cases fall in next few weeks what percentage do we contribute to schools closing or to vaccines increasing.

I think out of schools children teens are more likely mix outdoor than indoors, particularly in the summer. Schools closed from April until September last year I think (feels like a long time ago now) so kind of hard to compare.

Anyway, be interesting how cases go in next few weeks. If they continue to stay in the 300 area I think we should be happy enough with that.

Deeper Blue

gozunda wrote: »

Oh yes it is ...

Unless I picked you up wrong you said it's difficult to determine how many cases will be caused by an outdoor gathering?

At this stage it's pretty much a given that outdoor gatherings are not a driver of spread, I don't know how anyone can dispute that.

bucketybuck

Deeper Blue wrote: »

At this stage it's pretty much a given that outdoor gatherings are not a driver of spread, I don't know how anyone can dispute that.

Because then logic would dictate that there is no reason for a lot of the restrictions relating to outdoor events, for example only allowing a few hundred into a Gaa stadium. And we cant be having that.

political analyst

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

There will be no need to wear masks in shops, schools and restaurants this Autumn

That doesn’t mean it won’t it won’t still be a legal requirement to wear a mask

It’s very difficult to remove these laws, as of now they are enforceable until at least November 9th

Presumably, the government can lift the mask rule before that date.

blowitupref

[Deleted User] wrote: »

This tweet didn't age well for Tony Holohan.

It's now 15-days since that episode and there have been no increase in cases.

And that's without even mentioning the many other mass outdoor socializing that has gone on then elsewhere and since.

https://twitter.com/CMOIreland/status/1398724543536041990

This week is lowest weekly case count since December and 475 fewer cases than last week.

The hospital situation is in a very stable place also.

seamus

gozunda wrote: »

Re schools - kids and teenagers will still be meeting up over summer holidays. But again what was the data from last year at the same like?

We know from last year, that closing schools on 12th March basically had no impact on case numbers. Only the full lockdown two weeks later showed any impact on cases by mid-April.

Likewise from about late-May onwards, kids were back out and mixing with abandon, and case numbers continued falling.

Given what we now know, none of this should be a surprise. Asymptomatic spread is rare, and symptoms in children are also rare. Mixing outdoors leads to very few cases, and the majority of mixing that children do, is outdoors.

Cases rising because of children's activites, tends to be down to the ancillary stuff; supervising adults mixing. That is, bring kids to their friends' houses, the adults all sit down with a cuppa. Bring them to a match, the adults all huddle around. Bring them to school, the adults all meet for a coffee on the way out.

Once the adult population is vaccinated, there is nowhere for the virus to go in all reality. Children have very small, very set bubbles. They have school, friends and relatives, and that's it. Once all of the adults around them are vaccinated, there is very little scope for any infection to move in or out of these bubbles.

Adults don't have the same set bubbles. Through work and socialising, there's a much larger element of randomness to their mixing, which is how the virus breaks across the population.

Mark1916

https://twitter.com/business/status/1404379808667213842?s=21

eagle eye

Lot of experts here now, how many work in biotech or have science degrees?

eagle eye

eagle eye wrote: »

Lot of experts here now, how many work in biotech or have science degrees?

Check and check

TefalBrain

eagle eye wrote: »

Lot of experts here now, how many work in biotech or have science degrees?

I'm sorry i didn't realise mere mortals are allowed an opinion. There's me thinking it was a discussion forum

I'll head over to the football forum and tell the lads they know nothing because they don't play for Liverpool or Barcelona

bucketybuck

eagle eye wrote: »

Lot of experts here now, how many work in biotech or have science degrees?

Are the variants attacking those sheep and cattle yet?

eagle eye

TefalBrain wrote:

I'm sorry i didn't realise mere mortals are allowed an opinion. There's me thinking it was a discussion forum

I'll head over to the football forum and tell the lads they know nothing because they don't play for Liverpool or Barcelona

It's fine to have opinions but there's a lot of statements being made that aren't opinions, they are telling us how it is and how this virus works and how it's all over.

eagle eye

eagle eye wrote: »

Lot of experts here now, how many work in biotech or have science degrees?

Philip Nolan has a degree in physiology and a PhD in education.

If he can have an opinion, so can I.

eskimohunt

eskimohunt wrote: »

Philip Nolan has a degree in physiology and a PhD in education.

If he can have an opinion, so can I.

A BSc in Physiology, primary medical degree and PhD researching into the cardiovascular system dont count?

Mimon

eagle eye wrote: »

Lot of experts here now, how many work in biotech or have science degrees?

Know plenty that tick both boxes and some of them are not really that intelligent.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

As BSc in Physiology, primary medical degree and PhD researching into the cardiovascular system dont count?

No, they don't.

Primary medical degree means he never worked as a doctor; he ran away after finishing the first stage.

Moreover, if Philip Nolan - who spent most of his time as a useless president of a university - can voice an informed opinion based on his links to science, then so can many other people with any grasp of science.

I have multiple science degrees, and I'm sure many others here do too, so that glib remark regarding science/biotech degrees and posters here is redundant.