Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

growleaves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118780098#Comment_118780098

No. General population of Ukraine is around 55% vaccinated

waterwelly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118780098#Comment_118780098

Of course not and a not a peep out of anybody about it.

Remember when Tony went mental tweeting because irish people were having a drink outside.

Ficheall

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118780144#Comment_118780144

Can we clarify the parallel you're drawing here... You're saying Putin is Tony and the people not allowed to drink outside are the Ukrainians being blown up?

Crocodile Booze

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118779945#Comment_118779945

Ben Gilroy is to intelligence as Putin is to world peace.

dabestman1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118780129#Comment_118780129

It's a lot less apparently, but they're fleeing a war zone

● As of 25 February, Ukraine has fully vaccinated 34.07% of its population, making it the least-vaccinated country in Europe (Figure 3)5 . In early 2021, the government signed public contracts for the supply of 42 million COVID-19 vaccine doses6 . In addition, the Ministry of Health is currently considering allowing children aged 5-11 to get vaccinated, after having authorised vaccines for those aged 12-17 in October 2021

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?country=UKR

Jinglejangle69

So on the news they just said the number of people in hospital being treated for the virus is half of the 950.

After two years they finally tell us who is in hospital because of Covid and those in being treated for something different but have Covid.

Why are they suddenly able tell us?

Geuze

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118780918#Comment_118780918

This was mentioned before, but you are correct, it wasn't mentioned back in 2020, AFAIK.

It was mentioned before that much infection happened after entry to hospital.

Bear in mind that many staff in hosps never wore masks, so this is no surprise.

(I am referring to admin staff here, on site, in the hosp building)

You are correct, this division of hosp cases into two groups should be highlighted more.

In terms of deaths, there is a similar issue.

The HSE/HSPC figure for 2020 deaths is 37% above the 2020 CSO data.

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118780144#Comment_118780144

Context is everything and that was at a time when they were looking to keep people away from each other so as not to spread the virus. Times have completely changed and it really is time to let this score settling stuff go.

As for Ukrainian refugees, well we've got them covered between our vaccination levels and our exposure to Omicron.

waterwelly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118781855#Comment_118781855

It's a free country. If people wanted to drink out on the street that's their choice, without some unelected bellends scolding them for doing it, that's their choice.

There was no spike after these outdoor drinking weekends, which lasted months. Totally harmless stuff.

As for it being time to let it go, no its not.

Tony and many others grossly over egged the severity of the situation. People, like yourself, and many others, relentless defend them.

Now ye all want it swept under the carpet and deflect to Ukraine.

No harm in reminded people of how silly they behaved during their pretend war.

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118781941#Comment_118781941

Nah, I've moved on, there was a public health crisis, now there is none. We will review how we did things but not down to the minutiae of the CMO's tweets. That all sounds like people looking for a reason to be perpetually enraged, not a healthy state of affairs ever.

As to our performance I have pretty mixed feelings on it. There was an absolute failure on care homes initially, a superb job on vaccinations, some very serious questions about how a NPHET should work vis a vis the political system and a very urgent need to build much greater capacity into our hospital system. Into the future what we did from 2020-2022 we will not do again.

eagle eye

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118778411#Comment_118778411

Called out on what?

I certainly wasn't called out by your uneducated nonsense.

eagle eye

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118778555#Comment_118778555

Anytime, anywhere you want to have a math competition with a decent wager on it I'm willing to take you on.

I've no intention of locking myself away. If I get it then so be it. I don't wear a mask in shops that aren't busy, only in pretty packed places.

As I said I'll try to avoid contracting it but I'm not hiding away or anything like that, just being sensible about things.

eagle eye

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118778420#Comment_118778420

That's a big problem in Ireland. People are afraid to talk openly about depression, there still seems to be a stigma attached to it sadly.

Just lately we've had a few American sports stars admit they suffer from it. Hopefully that spreads around the world and people realise it's just an illness like a virus in ways in that it's treatable and you can get back to a good place.

I'm fully in favour of a lot of money being spent to improve the health service's approach to depression.

waterwelly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118782062#Comment_118782062

Let's have a math competition so.

How many lives will you save by wearing a mask in busy shops as everybody else ditches theirs?

I've crunched the numbers, run the algorithms and got Philip Nolan to cross check them.

I've arrived at a big fat Zero, what's your figure?

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118782091#Comment_118782091

The "maths" you've quoted doesn't really work for single instances, it's all about averages and probability.

At the individual level, all that crunching you've done, doesn't make sense.

You should be looking up the table for mask wearers and their reduction in chances of contracting SARS-COV2 (can be looked up on many tables) and then the chances of a person vulnerable to SARS-COV2 having a severe event when contracting it (can also be looked up on many tables).

I get that you're trying to be dismissive, but your command of maths and what it means has failed you here.

waterwelly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118782163#Comment_118782163

You keep wearing your mask if that's what the mask wearing table tells you to do.

Micky 32

1042 in hospitals this morning. 85 increase since yesterday. This is not looking good.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118782290#Comment_118782290

They are magically able to tell us now though that over 50% of cases are incidental. It suits the narrative now to move on.

Up to 57% of the small number in ICU are there for other reaosns.

Micky 32

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118782363#Comment_118782363

My worry is that even if most are incidental the hospitals could still get overwhelmed quite quickly because they need more resources to isolate them etc.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118781966#Comment_118781966

You sound like an extremely forgiven person. I personally would like to see a full detailed review of the situation.

We need to know how many billion was squandered by sitting in severe lockdowns for months on end. Was all of it necessary?

Why was the CMO gravely concerned when we had a handful of cases a day?

Why did we go against the world for so long in relation to Antigen tests? Why was Philip Nolan calling them snake oil?

Why were we the only country in the world in 2021 that closed construction when we have a huge housing crisis?

Why did we base policy on inaccurate models?

Why did we report figures in a dishonest way? When it suits we can provide the correct figures.

Nobody wants to be perpetually enraged but billions were squandered, jobs were lost, businesses went to the wall or lost major money and the housing crisis has escalated. I want all of this to be reviewed properly and fingers to be pointed at the people responsible for the mess.

But sadly what we'll get is a big promotion for the likes of Phil Nolan, the man who went against the rest of the world on Antigen tests and gave us inaccurate models time and time again

seamus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118782290#Comment_118782290

We were here 9 weeks ago and, the sky didn't fall in. Cases will peak and drop again. The last time we hit this number, we started with more than twice the number of people in ICU, and admissions to ICU were manageable throughout the surge.

This is the result of the psychological "end" of restrictions, and people increasing their levels of socialisation. Like Xmas, this too will ease off. It's true though that no matter what way we think this is going, Covid still has a few surprises up its sleeve.

Everyone was convinced case numbers would be hitting the floor by now, but the magic of chaos strikes again. The good thing is that we know now that 20k cases a day is basically no problem.

I do appreciate the long covid issue, but I'm wary of all of these studies coming out linking Covid with all sorts of long-term maladies including brain damage, heart damage, etc etc. Seems highly unlikely that this swiss-army infection appeared which not only kills people when infected, but leaves a massive wake of long-term effects on people who weren't very ill with it at all.

Far more likely that these long-term effects are typical with most viral infections. And while the effects may be measurable, they are also small. So small that 99.99% of people won't even notice them. We're just picking them up now because this is probably one of the most intensely studied infections in human history at this point.

There is going to be another surge, globally. Asia is getting slammed at the moment, and they're looking down the barrel of the same problem that New Zealand faced two months ago: Zero Covid is no longer a viable strategy against Omicron. Staying locked down will not stop the virus and will damage the economy. Opening up will help the economy, but too quickly and you will have a lot of dead people.

Ficheall

Some people definitely want to be perpetually enraged, jac..

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118782434#Comment_118782434

I'm a pragmatist. You complete a project, evaluate its overall success and move on. You sound like someone who's never sat in on a project post-mortem, it's not a means of punishing people, it's a way of learning. You can do all of this without putting people up against a wall and pointing fingers.

Were mistakes made, sure? The fact is we can't go back on it now. It was a once in a century occurrence and while one can point at countries copying each other or even question approaches of some of those countries they in their own way chose what they were doing based on whatever advice they got.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118782464#Comment_118782464

If I had been working on this project, Tony and Phil would have been asked to provide clear evidence for why their views on Antigen tests differed to the rest of the world. Phil would have been removed from the project when calling Antigen tests snake oil.

I would have also had their bizarre modelling independently reviewed.

I'd certainly be looking at the stretch of half a year were people were imprisoned within 5KM of their homes and wondering how humane that was.

waterwelly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118782434#Comment_118782434

The €9 meal.

Close at 5pm, no 8pm.

Close at 10pm.

6 to a table. 10 to a table.

Close at at 11 pm.

Close at 12pm

Open pubs for a week then close them again.

Ditto nightclubs.

Travel within your own county.

Masks to Jacks lads.

The list of petty stuff to fight the pretend war is endless.

I would happy enough if we carried out a review that found:

1) We squandered billions and destroyed moral by sitting in lockdowns for way too long.

2) Our views on Antigen tests were misguided

3) We based policy on inaccurate models

4) Some of our restrictions were laughably anti science and have no place in society - curfews, meal prices, nonsense limits on events and home visits, bans on outdoor sports etc

eagle eye

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118782091#Comment_118782091

I'm wearing an ffp2 in very busy places for my own protection. I said that already but obviously your comprehension is quite poor.

eagle eye

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118782533#Comment_118782533

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118782565#Comment_118782565

You guys live to moan.

No appearance of happiness that we are close to normal again. You need to look forward and not back.

waterwelly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118782652#Comment_118782652

Good for you. It could save your life.

eagle eye

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118782676#Comment_118782676

No, it's about trying not to contract it. I'm quite confident that of I do it'll only be a minor inconvenience.