Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

celt262

goingnowhere wrote: »

Current Irish numbers based on the daily reports

105/100k/14
312/5 day
317/7 day (which would give ~46/100k/7)

Puts us mid tier

Central Europe is well below us in numbers and really heading down quickly.

Is the Delta Variant as contagious as is been made out or have England maybe opened up a bit quicker and that is the issue there?

Goldengirl

Deleted User wrote: »

Ireland had something not too far away, down to LEA level, which is maybe 25k people
https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/pages/8c8ba825c8774bca8cc57cbf3ec7774b

But you may have heard of the massive cyber attack talking out the entire HSE IT infrastructure and possible understand that a reporting dashboard may not be top priority in terms of system recovery

Yes, last I saw it was updated only as far as mid May, which is such a shame as it was a great source of information .

is_that_so

celt262 wrote: »

Is the Delta Variant as contagious as is been made out or have England maybe opened up a bit quicker and that is the issue there?

It seems to be more contagious but they had too many outbreaks through religious festival superspreading events. Low vaccine takeup and hesitancy in some groups is also an issue.

jhegarty

celt262 wrote: »

Is the Delta Variant as contagious as is been made out or have England maybe opened up a bit quicker and that is the issue there?

The UK rollout was based around single dose astrazeneca with a long gap.

Worked great until Delta came along.

However their deaths are still in single digits instead of the 1,000+ from January.

Sobit1964

celt262 wrote: »

Is the Delta Variant as contagious as is been made out or have England maybe opened up a bit quicker and that is the issue there?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/covid-delta-variant-symptoms-headache-b1865531.html#/comments

Delta has very 'coldlike' symptoms, like a runny nose, headache, and sore throat. The worry is that people aren't getting tested with these sort of symptoms and they may still be very contagious.

seamus

jhegarty wrote: »

However their deaths are still in single digits instead of the 1,000+ from January.

We just don't know where this is going to go yet. There's typically a 2-4 week lag between case rises and deaths. The UK is starting to see an increase in hospitalisations, and our past experience is that deaths will surely follow.

But with the vaccine (even one dose) theoretically providing that extra protection against serious illness and death, it's really a waiting game now to see what happens next.

podgeandrodge

Tony has today said that antigen tests should not be used as a 'green light' for "risky activities" per the Irish Times.

I'm still waiting to hear the impact of the previous risky activities, which were so risky he was 'absolutely shocked', as opposed to having only previously been 'shocked' or 'worried'.

He should be asked to explain why there appears to be no spike as a result of what happened that weekend, otherwise he is not going to sound like an authority on what is a risky activity.

LineOfBeauty

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Tony has today said that antigen tests should not be used as a 'green light' for "risky activities" per the Irish Times.

I'm still waiting to hear the impact of the previous risky activities, which were so risky he was 'absolutely shocked', as opposed to having only previously been 'shocked' or 'worried'.

He should be asked to explain why there appears to be no spike as a result of what happened that weekend, otherwise he is not going to sound like an authority on what is a risky activity.

I do think this is something worth asking more by the media. How can the main person the government are taking medical advice from basically throw a hissy fit on social media about disgraceful and unsafe behavior when there is not a scrap of evidence to prove that there was any spike, or have been any spikes at all from outdoor mixing. It doesn't add up.

ZX7R

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

I do think this is something worth asking more by the media. How can the main person the government are taking medical advice from basically throw a hissy fit on social media about disgraceful and unsafe behavior when there is not a scrap of evidence to prove that there was any spike, or have been any spikes at all from outdoor mixing. It doesn't add up.

Its believed he will tell the oireachtas committee that there is lack of evidence for the use of rapid antigen testing in certain activity,but will be ok for meat factory's and the like.
Rte news

Turtwig

ZX7R wrote: »

Its believed he will tell the oireachtas committee that there is lack of evidence for the use of rapid antigen testing in certain activity,but will be ok for meat factory's and the like.
Rte news

This would be strange. UHL hospitals group published research that suggested serial antigen testing in the meat industry setting wasn't very effective at detecting infection.

is_that_so

Turtwig wrote: »

This would be strange. UHL hospitals group published research that suggested serial antigen testing in the meat industry setting wasn't very effective at detecting infection.

Useful where one might expect a higher prevalence, in conjunction with PCR testing seems to be the NPHET position.

ZX7R

is_that_so wrote: »

Useful where one might expect a higher prevalence, in conjunction with PCR testing seems to be the NPHET position.

Could be wrong but other members of nphet seem very quiet about it, in fact did professor Nolan not want the use of them in college's.

is_that_so

ZX7R wrote: »

Could be wrong but other members of nphet seem very quiet about it, in fact did professor Nolan not want the use of them in college's.

That's what he says/will say, according to the RTE article.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Ireland had something not too far away, down to LEA level, which is maybe 25k people
https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/pages/8c8ba825c8774bca8cc57cbf3ec7774b

But you may have heard of the massive cyber attack talking out the entire HSE IT infrastructure and possible understand that a reporting dashboard may not be top priority in terms of system recovery

Germany had their dashboard up and running months before the HSE systems went down. I've been looking at it for many, many months along with daily updates as to how many people are immunized, ICU beds availability and additional stations are available.

Goldengirl

Deleted User wrote: »

Germany had their dashboard up and running months before the HSE systems went down. I've been looking at it for many, many months along with daily updates as to how many people are immunized, ICU beds availability and additional stations are available.

Ireland had theirs up and running for many months too before the hack .

bodhrandude

Seeing that this is the main pandemic thread, Electric Picnic has now being pushed to the end of September for the dates 24th - 26th, here's hoping this will go ahead now. https://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/electric-picnic/641694/breaking-electric-picnic-applies-for-licence-to-hold-the-festival-this-year-on-new-dates.html

OwenM

seamus wrote: »

We just don't know where this is going to go yet. There's typically a 2-4 week lag between case rises and deaths. The UK is starting to see an increase in hospitalisations, and our past experience is that deaths will surely follow.

But with the vaccine (even one dose) theoretically providing that extra protection against serious illness and death, it's really a waiting game now to see what happens next.

The rate of admission to hospital has gone up by about a third from ~85 to ~140 per day but the numbers in hospital are flat - this is over the last 6 weeks, I can't reconcile this.

Given that the delta variant accounts for 7 out of 8 cases already I think this has already peaked.

June 12th - 8k cases
June 13th - 7.6k cases
June 14th - 7.3k cases
June 15th - 7.6k cases

Goldengirl

bodhrandude wrote: »

Seeing that this is the main pandemic thread, Electric Picnic has now being pushed to the end of September for the dates 24th - 26th, here's hoping this will go ahead now. https://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/electric-picnic/641694/breaking-electric-picnic-applies-for-licence-to-hold-the-festival-this-year-on-new-dates.html

That would be great if it works out !

FintanMcluskey

bodhrandude wrote: »

Seeing that this is the main pandemic thread, Electric Picnic has now being pushed to the end of September for the dates 24th - 26th, here's hoping this will go ahead now. https://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/electric-picnic/641694/breaking-electric-picnic-applies-for-licence-to-hold-the-festival-this-year-on-new-dates.html

That seems unbelievably optimistic for Ireland

Not a chance actually, after seeing that childish setup called a trial event last week

I’ll eat my hat if EP goes ahead

GeorgeBailey

Goldengirl wrote: »

That would be great if it works out !

I have zero interest in going to EP personally but it would be just brilliant to see it going ahead. That level of normality returning would be a real morale boost.

FintanMcluskey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

That seems unbelievably optimistic for Ireland

Not a chance actually, after seeing that childish setup called a trial event last week

I’ll eat my hat if EP goes ahead

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0615/1228265-boost-of-25-million-for-festivals-and-gigs/

Do you want Ketchup or Mayo with that?

timmyntc

Deleted User wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0615/1228265-boost-of-25-million-for-festivals-and-gigs/

Do you want Ketchup or Mayo with that?

In fairness that has no statement as to whether its going ahead or not, just that MCD were allocated funding. Most of those grants were for "online events" so EP could end up doing something similar if restrictions dont allow them to go ahead.

Hopefully they can

timmyntc

timmyntc wrote: »

In fairness that has no statement as to whether its going ahead or not, just that MCD were allocated funding. Most of those grants were for "online events" so EP could end up doing something similar if restrictions dont allow them to go ahead.

Hopefully they can

EP Republic Limited Festival Republic Dublin €423,135 Live music and theatre shows, comedy acts and arts in Stradbally Hall and Olympia Theatre

This is specific funding for specific events to enable the promoters to ensure they can be ran effectively

Arghus

NPHET answering questions at the Oireachtas committee.

As we all know Oireachtas committees are a fine advertisement for our well informed and knowledgeable politicians.

"You're on mute Senator."

"You're still on mute Senator."

Arghus

Great stuff there from Michael McNamara.

Spent thirty seconds on mute and then asked a question that had already been asked and answered.

What a dude.

Ficheall

podgeandrodge wrote: »

He should be asked to explain why there appears to be no spike as a result of what happened that weekend, otherwise he is not going to sound like an authority on what is a risky activity.

Like when your mum tells you not to play in traffic, and you decide she obviously doesn't know what she's talking about because you didn't get hit.

is_that_so

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

That seems unbelievably optimistic for Ireland

Not a chance actually, after seeing that childish setup called a trial event last week

I’ll eat my hat if EP goes ahead

That's about 4 months away and then there is the fund mentioned above.

Turtwig

Arghus wrote: »

Great stuff there from Michael McNamara.

Spent thirty seconds on mute and then asked a question that had already been asked and answered.

What a dude.

Politicians at committees always ask a question that has been previously asked. This practice has been in place for decades. They do this so they verifiably say to their people and put on their election leaflets that they asked X. Showing they "care" about Y.

podgeandrodge

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Tony has today said that antigen tests should not be used as a 'green light' for "risky activities" per the Irish Times.

I'm still waiting to hear the impact of the previous risky activities, which were so risky he was 'absolutely shocked', as opposed to having only previously been 'shocked' or 'worried'.

He should be asked to explain why there appears to be no spike as a result of what happened that weekend, otherwise he is not going to sound like an authority on what is a risky activity.

Ficheall wrote: »

Like when your mum tells you not to play in traffic, and you decide she obviously doesn't know what she's talking about because you didn't get hit.

Excellent! But hold on - isn't my point that nobody appears to have got hit? :rolleyes:

seamus

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Excellent! But hold on - isn't my point that nobody appears to have got hit? :rolleyes:

Actually, your point is a common disingenuous misrepresentation of what that tweet actually said. Everyone is saying, "whERe is THe spiKE" even though Tony never said there would be.

His actual words were, "Enormous crowds- like a major open air party. This is what we do not need when we have made so much progress."

There was no prediction of a big spike. I'm not going to say he wasn't overstating it a bit, but his rationale is sound; it is/was too early for large uncontrolled public gatherings. One incident of a few hundred people on a street may not cause a measurable spike. But the same scenes repeated across the country on a nightly basis, could and likely would lead to new spikes.

But keep on claiming that one example of running in front of a car without being hit proves that it's safe for everyone to run in front of cars.