Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

hynesie08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119526668#Comment_119526668

Ah yeah, science is waffle wasn't it?

hynesie08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119526815#Comment_119526815

What does that have to do with COVID? Already planning made up situations where a non existent gig is cancelled?

Silentcorner

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119526956#Comment_119526956

Who are you referring to, the "scientists" we were presented in media making pie in the sky projections with or the scientists who wouldn't endorse lock downs who were censored and/or had their reputations destroyed?

hynesie08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119526969#Comment_119526969

Cool story bro, proudly hang the great Barrington declaration beside your che Guevara poster.

Silentcorner

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119526979#Comment_119526979

Nah dude, you're the real rebel here....rebelling against people who don't agree with the government affords you a weird type of smugness I gotta say!!

PTH2009

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119526959#Comment_119526959

Wrong thread

Apothic_Red

I bring good news, if you're one of the lucky ones who are still dodging Covid & taking precautions then relax, you've actually had it & not known it.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40946759.html

Time to throw away the masks & the hand sanitizer for good, if you're one of the few still clinging on

And then I bring even better news

https://twitter.com/COVID19DataIE/status/1563107491642486785

Only 15 people left in ICU.

I started a thread here months ago asking for someone in power to declare this nonsense fully over. I volunteer a cardiac first responder & we still have families unable to follow their loved on to the nearest ED following a health emergency. The hospitals are still not letting relatives/visitors in. On a tangent to that we have never been as busy with callouts for chest pains, strokes, heart attacks. I'm starting to think this is no coincidence & we're dealing with a legacy of missed GP care & appointments over the past few years.

I hope I'm wrong

Silentcorner

Unfortunately, you are not wrong, like much of the world we are seeing increases in excess death, that is death above the norm, much higher than what we saw in 2020/2021 when the media were shouting death numbers at us at all times every day.

We shut off the health system to everyone no matter what their health status or requirements.

I vividly remember seeing Micheal Martin react to Mattie McGrath when McGrath asked him about cancers, heart issues, when the Dail sat in the Bord Gais Theatre...he spoke to McGrath like he was a buachail dana, Martin regressed back into a school teacher trying to deal with unruly kids, about his level really!! There was a leader way out of his depth, FF have destroyed the Irish economy on at least 3 occasions now, I think what is unfolding right now will be far worse than anything they have done before!!

It is not good enough to point to all the other countries who also did similar, we went deeper and longer with our lock downs and restrictions than most for a virus that affects the elderly in a country with one of the youngest population in the EU.

Again, to put it in context, a 5% increase in excess death is 1,500 extra deaths a year, this is going to go on for at least 3 years, that blame lies squarely with Nphet and the Cabinet. 5% is at the low end of what other nations are experiencing, but again, our youthful population is probably a factor in that also.

bloopy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119526511#Comment_119526511

Are the hse still releasing information showing the break down of vaccinated /unvaccinated in hospital or are they just making comments on radio shows.

I know they had quite detailed information until omicron started to kick off, then they just abandoned it.

If they have this information can someone link to where I can find it. Would be very interested to see the raw data and not throwawy comments on the radio.

Micky 32

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119527276#Comment_119527276

I wonder is the article saying that if you were exposed to the virus that you are a covid statistic whether sick or not? I wonder if you are exposed to Covid do you create antibodies even though not infected.

I was definitely exposed to it. I was in a small room with a few other people for approximately 2 hours. One person in the room had it ( unbeknownst to her) and she was actually sitting next to me. Two days later everyone in the room became ill except me. Not even a sniffle. I also kept testing negative and no one close to me became ill either in the following days. So I assumed that because i wasn’t ill, tested negative and that no one else caught anything from me i didn’t have Covid.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119527694#Comment_119527694

Do you understand how excess deaths are counted?

Here is a balanced bbc article on uk excess deaths. Note that up to half the increase may be due to aging population.

Now factor in covid deaths.

Long covid impact on mortality

Local specific issues such as heatwaves and in uk ambulance delays

That accounts for a lot before you have to factor in cancelled screenings etc

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-62648951.amp

Silentcorner

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119528381#Comment_119528381

It's truly amazing what people are willing to believe...of course the majority of deaths are in the aging, it is the same every year...this year we are witnessing a surge in excess deaths, we are seeing it during the summer months, that is happening in this country right now it will get worse as we go into the winter!!!

The rates of excess deaths are well above what we witnessed in 2020.

The government reaction to covid is going to kill more people than covid, that is pretty much where we are heading!!!

Silentcorner

This excess death were predicted by an amount of posters on these threads 2 years ago, and were ridiculed at the time!

Don't Chute!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119526956#Comment_119526956

What was the science behind the 2km from home bullshit? What was the science behind the €9 meal bullshit?

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119528535#Comment_119528535

Yes, as expected, you don't understand how excess deaths are counted. The majority of deaths are in the aging, and there are more in the aging demographic:

Another issue is the ageing population. The headline excess deaths data does not take into account the fact that there are now more older people. This may be responsible for more than half of the excess.

Data from the Office for National Statistics shows on the days with extreme heat - around half of the days during July - deaths rates were more than 6% higher in England than they were on other days.

Silentcorner

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119529898#Comment_119529898

No excess deaths is very simple, deaths over and above the average.

No surprise the BBC will spin the numbers they are complicit in this just like all the other media outlets who frightened the population on a 2 year period by shouting the death rates at them all day every day!! Why wouldn't they spin it...the know their more loyal viewers will gobble up whatever they serve!!

At least the BBC are spinning the numbers, I'm willing to bet our lot are completely ignoring them!!

ceadaoin.

Its not just older people, excess deaths in younger people, including ages 0-14 are also well above expected in a lot of Europe.

https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps#excess-mortality

Silentcorner

You'd wonder are Irish people who fawned all over Tony Houlihan for two years feeling a little bit sheepish...probably don't even know we are experiencing unprecedented death rates this summer, "busier than any winter" I was told by someone in the business, one of the standout moments for me was when a large bunch of young people held a party outdoors in the middle of the summer are were shamed by virtually everyone including Gov Ministers!!!

I mentioned before, our lot will sweep the numbers under the carpet, but that damn will be burst in the US or UK or elsewhere, the numbers are too great and will go on for years!

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119529929#Comment_119529929

Yes, it is very simple. How is the average calculated? It just looks back at previous years. It does not attempt to adjust for growing or aging population. It just looks at how many people died.

Too simple on its own to draw any conclusions from.

Because as you acknowledged - deaths are concentrated in older age groups.

Over time there are more people and especially more people in these older age groups.

Therefore even without recourse to any other explanation, excess deaths can rise.

In Ireland, for example, the number of deaths per calendar year has followed an increasing trend since 2010.

This is a basic concept in excess mortality. It is not spin. It is not something the requires willingness to believe. If you don't understand it, you don't understand excess mortality.

Silentcorner

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119530041#Comment_119530041

You really are the gift that keeps on giving...you are a great example of how easy it is to manipulate people.

The BBC are spinning the death numbers....they have been spinning them since March 2020 when they were grossly over stated, now they are spinning the excess deaths.

When we look back in ten years time, the amount of deaths will noticeably start to peak in 2022, not March 2020...you won't be able to pick out the 2020/21 death rates when compared with the last 10 years despite the hysterical headlines.

And of course it is the aged that are most likely to die, we see that in the Covid related numbers, but this excess is been driven by all demographics...young and old.

Thank you for vindicating the only smart decision I have made in recent times, to completely tune out of mainstream media!!

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119528822#Comment_119528822

Reducing contacts to reduce spread, I'm still amazed that people don't get or understand it.

The goal was to reduce the average contacts to keep case counts down and thus hospitalisations. A 5KM limit with a €5 rule might have reduced contacts by 10% and a 2KM limit with €9 rule might have done it by 20% based on modelling, they then apply the restrictions needed to get to the case count numbers they needed while weighing that with keeping the economy going.

Silentcorner

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119530172#Comment_119530172

And yet we all ended up getting it anyway...so it was all a waste of time.

I'll ask again, if lock downs work, why didn't they work?

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119530281#Comment_119530281

Rather important that we didn't all get it at once.

And especially, that the vulnerable didn't get it until vaccinated.

With all that that would mean both for the capacity of hospitals to treat the sick and staff the services.

Silentcorner

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119530373#Comment_119530373

We were never going to get it all at once!! That has happened no where in the world...The restrictions were dropped last January and we didn't all get it at once!! It's an airborne virus, it spreads like all the others, even if this one has been engineered to transmit easier and do more damage in more immune systems.

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119530281#Comment_119530281

That you think everyone getting it at the same time is a good thing indicates that logic will not work with you.

The vast majority got it post vaccination which reduces the hospitalisation cases by ~90%.

I come back to this again:

I'm still amazed that people don't get or understand it.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119530482#Comment_119530482

"The restrictions"??? What restrictions were dropped and what restrictions were maintained?

What strains were in circulation, how many people were vaccinated at that point and how many people previously infected... So how about stop being deliberately disingenuous.

This one has been 'engineered'??? Come back to us when you have some actual facts and evidence and you're not just scattergunning vague statements and dog whistling conspiracy theories.

Silentcorner

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119530507#Comment_119530507

Well, until we know categorically where this virus came from then none of us can produce evidence. It did come from a city where a Virology lab was engaging in gain of function research...that is not a conspiracy theory.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119530530#Comment_119530530

If you have a suspicion that was it was engineered and escaped from a lab that is one thing - you will note I haven't said categorically it wasn't engineered.

But at this stage, making statements of fact that it was 'engineered' without the evidence to support it is just vague innuendo if not conspiracy theory territory.

Don't Chute!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119530172#Comment_119530172

Ah yes the “modeling”. Yeah that went really well! There was absolutely NO science behind either of those and you know it.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119530541#Comment_119530541

I don't need modelling to tell me I'm going to encounter more people if I can travel beyond 2 kms or 5 kms. The point is to contain outbreaks.

Or that I'll encounter more people if I'm mingling in a bar having a few drinks than seated at a table having a meal.

In Florida, they based the requirements not on the value of the meal but the % of revenue derived from food v beverages.

And in Ireland the concept of a substantial meal is already part of licensing legislation.