Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

Beasty

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eagle eye

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119825185#Comment_119825185

An excellent post.

Yeah on learning from it. There should be an emergency setup including a budget and people trained as immediate responders for situations like this. I'm not talking about scientists and medical professionals, I'm talking about organisers and people who set up anything that's needed. An instant response is necessary if we are to have any hope of getting on top of something like this quickly.

A big thing we've learned from this is how transmissible a virus can be. The day of the person attending work, or any activity with lots of people around, with sniffles and a cough can't continue. If this person wants to attend they should be forced to wear a facemask all day. This benefits both the employer and other employees in the workplace.

Nobody should be let into the country during a pandemic without being quarantined until such time as they are cleared. If we had done this from day one we would never have had a large scale spread of this virus. Decisions made like inviting in the Italian rugby fans, our skiers back from northern Italy and letting people off to Cheltenham without any need to even self-isolate contributed greatly to the spread of this virus. I'm personally aware of five places where outbreaks occurred started by people who went to Cheltenham.

There's lots of other stuff but that's just a couple off the top.

eagle eye

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119826007#Comment_119826007

They aren't considered entitlements now by younger people is my point. It's all expected and the work ethic has diminished greatly too.

When I was young a visit to the cinema or restaurant was a very rare and special occasion. There were no coffee shops and a gym was a private place for wealthy people.

Between the ages of 10 and 18 I was in a cinema less than ten times and twice in a restaurant. I was in cafes a few times as well.

Anyone who grew up during the Celtic Tiger experienced a fantastic, unrealistic lifestyle and expect it to continue now when the money isn't there for it unless you want to be in heavy debt for the rest of your life and have nothing to pass on to your children when you are gone.

growleaves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119826894#Comment_119826894

Aren't you forgetting the years after 2008, worsening going into the European Debt Crisis in 2011 then slowly getting better from 2012 onwards? Plenty of people lacked spare cash for treats, enjoyment and entertainment.

A lot of people worked on farms in the past. Gyms are popular now because everyone has to sit still for 40 hours a week.

Going to restaurant/cinema was a rare occasion for me growing up as well so what? I wasn't stuck in a room or menaced into getting injected. Lockdowns are a cruel and unusual punishment.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119826894#Comment_119826894

we call this 'progression', i.e. whereby younger generations experience a better quality of life than previous generations, and we re successfully fcuking it up at the moment!

whats wrong with peoples work ethic at the moment?

without the access to such goods and services, there simply wouldnt be enough jobs and economic activities to maintain our current state, by giving more and more access to these goods and services, we have greatly improved elements of our lives

the so called tiger was a scam of epic proportions, deregulation of our global financial system, which in turn flooded our planet with cheap credit, which was primarily used for speculation in property markets, effectively causing its hyper inflation, of which we now have no responses to....

Stormyteacup

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119826419#Comment_119826419

It is not medical misinformation. It is a fact that vaccines do not prevent transmission or infection.

They confer protection to the vaccinated individual for a few months against infection, which has the by-product result of lowering transmission. They also reduce seriousness of illness.

They do not prevent transmission or infection. These are facts, not medical misinformation.

Multiple studies (Sweden, Qatar) have shown they provide signifcant protection against infection.

’significant protection’ is not prevention, and that protection waned.

This real world data shows why vaccine mandate were important.

Thankfully vaccination was not mandatory here, although we did have to endure the ridiculous vaccine passport fiasco that did not include a negative test option.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119827566#Comment_119827566

If they don't prevent infection, how in the studies did they prevent the infection of vaccinated so that the vaccinated were infected far less often than unvaccinated? That translates into prevented infections.

That's what significant protection means.

So how can an infected be prevented if the vaccines don't prevent invention?

You are using a nonsense definition of 'prevent', which is that if it doesn't 100% prevent it 100% of the times it doesn't prevent infection.

These are just pointless semantic games, not facts.

What really matters, in that it shows the scientific basis for the vaccine mandates \ passports.

Vaccines significantly reduced your chances of getting infected, of transmitting it, and of putting strain on hospitals if you did get infected.

Vaccine 'mandate' can relate to vaccine passports as per the below.

https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/vaccine-mandates#1

jackboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119827623#Comment_119827623

The vaccines do prevent individual infection events. However, when the virus is raging through the population most people get exposed countless times. This is why pretty much everyone, whether vaccinated or unvaccinated, got covid within a short period of time.

The vaccines would need to give high sustained protection to put a dent in the spread of covid, due to the highly infectious nature of the virus.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119827740#Comment_119827740

It didn't get to blocking herd immunity levels, but it's incorrect to say - pretty much everyone got covid within a short period of time.

Especially in relation to 2021 and the period vaccine passports were rolled out. This is borne out in the data from the Swedish study.

There was an Omicron surge, but if we're discussing rollout of vaccine passports, Omicron didn't exist yet.

jackboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119827799#Comment_119827799

Yeah fair enough, I was talking about the Omicron wave this year as that affected a nearly fully vaxxed population. I recognise that the vaccines gave much higher protection against infection for the earlier variants. The majority of the population did get Omicron this year, that is clear from the infection rates.

walus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119827737#Comment_119827737

It is important to look at the period for which the claims were made for the vaccines to prevent infection. Typically these were 2 or 3 months post vaccination at best. The longer the time scale the lower the effectiveness of the vaccine. What this meant in practice in broader perspective, was that the vaccines reduced the risk of infection, transmission and severe disease rather than prevented those things altogether. While the case can be made that initially the vaccines may have saved some lives in the elderly and vulnerable group, same statement seems tenuous at best for other cohorts.     

Xander10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119828198#Comment_119828198

Have people that got Covid built up longer immunity than that from vaccines?

jackboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119828230#Comment_119828230

Yes, because most of them would have been infected with the current variants.

walus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119828230#Comment_119828230

I have posted on this before: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058196937/relaxation-of-restrictions-part-xii-read-op-for-mod-warnings/p1116 post #33464.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119828230#Comment_119828230

Especially for Omicron, yes.

https://news.weill.cornell.edu/news/2022/06/qatar-omicron-wave-study-shows-slow-decline-of-natural-immunity-rapid-decline-of

eagle eye

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119827067#Comment_119827067

This is such crap, I said the lockdown wasn't that difficult. Can you print out where I said it was enjoyable?

I've nothing against other people enjoying themselves and I explained everything descriptively and clearly but you obviously didn't read it or have reading comprehension issues or you are just not very smart.

Or, and most likely, you are a thanks whore and make up lies to suit your agenda.

Grow up.

eagle eye

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119827441#Comment_119827441

Im not disagreeing with anything you say there, I agree with pretty much all of it.

My point was that those who grew up during the Tiger were treated to a life which is beyond our means. This led to a sense of entitlement for things that should be considered not so common pleasures.

ceadaoin.

The lockdown wasn't difficult for you. Great. Doesn't mean anyone who found it hard is an entitled brat. I'm gonna presume you didn't lose your job, access to essential services, develop problem behaviors around alcohol/food, miss important health screenings or have to leave a loved one to die alone? Lots did as a result of the measures, would you not have a bit of empathy?

Beasty

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I’m a bit baffled … I got COVID at the very start of the outbreak and was incredibly sick with it. Gurgling lungs, a high fever, aches, short of breath and all of that. Honestly considered calling an ambulance a few times. I recovered (obviously) but I was having difficulties with getting out of breath for about 6 months after. I’m grand now and had plenty of time to recover and work from home.

I then got the 3X doses of Pfizer, which didn’t have any side effects (I actually find the flu vaccine way more unpleasant) and I haven’t really been taking any special precautions of any type, and I just haven’t picked up COVID again, even though members of my household have had it multiple times and I’ve been in fairly close contact.

It could be pot luck, or I could have developed fairly broad immunity due to the infection and the vaccines, but whatever is going on I’m not picking it up when others in my circle are going down with it.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119847941#Comment_119847941

You mentioned 6 months - did you get vaccinated during the end of those 6 months?

There were some reports people with long running symptoms found that getting vaccinated helped to clear them up.

https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/vaccines-long-covid

Honestly not sure, things definitely improved as the year went on though. Took ages to get back to semi normal. I still definitely am not as fit as I was though. I at least didn’t get any of the new variants during the subsequent peaks and even though other ppl I’m in close contact with did, I just seemed to not pick it up.

At it its worst I was getting so out of breath and sore when I walked that I wasn’t able to even go shopping. A walk around the supermarket was leaving me out of breath and I’m fairly fit and in my 30s. I’m not over weight or anything like that. So it was just really weird for me.

I used to just drive to the beach and walk a bit (couple of hundred meters) and then keep sitting down. I eventually got that up to being able to maybe go a km, and I’m gradually just trying to get it back to normal again.

I’d have the same feeling of needing to breathe, heart pounding, hot and sweaty that you’d get if you had been for a run and just stopped, but I’d have only maybe walked 150m. it was absolutely scary.

I also got a really bad back for months and I’ve had sore joints a lot.

At the same time my GP also retired, so I didn’t really have one during the peak of the pandemic. I was just using walk in and out of hours GPs.

My current (still not really setup right) one also picked up that I have a high red blood count and she just gave me a lecture about smoking. I have never smoked and kept trying to send me to a sleep apnoea clinic - I don’t snore, and really don’t have sleep apnoea.

Also have high high pressure since then, so got checked out and put on ARBs which seem to have made exercising much easier. They relax your blood vessels and make it easier for your heart to pump. That’s kinda been making it easier to rebuild fitness I think and the BP is more like normal now.

I’m convinced it’s long covid, but all I can really do is just keep trying to get fit. At least I feel semi normal again. The GPs I’ve been to recently haven’t seen me before now, so just seem to just imply I’m lazy, and unfit or something or look at one symptom in isolation, and there’s no long covid services in Ireland that I’m aware of, most people seem to think it’s b/s, so all I can do is just keep pushing myself to get fitter.

I joined a gym last week but so far haven’t gone. A load of ppl I know started getting the flu and COVID so have been having second thoughts about indoor exercise just now.

I might just invest in a bike instead.

All I can do really is just keep eating healthy and exercising gently to keep going in the right direction. I’d say it’ll be a while before I’m running any marathons though!

Beasty

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walus

The authors of this publication:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9025013/

have stated that: “Our data suggest that there is no increase in the incidence of myocarditis and pericarditis in COVID-19 recovered patients compared to uninfected matched controls.”

This is based on comparative analysis of unvaccinated cohort of 196,991 covid infected individuals with a control group of 590,976 not infected.

Considering such a large sample size, It seems unlikely that covid causes heart inflammation.

jackboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119854311#Comment_119854311

It’s plausible that the majority of long Covid cases are psychological or lifestyle related.

walus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119854340#Comment_119854340

Hard to say for sure. What is however certain is that majority of those long covid cases are based on self assessment.

Cluedo Monopoly

Is there any plan to continue vaccinating the Under 50s with boosters? I haven't been keeping up with the latest news.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119856069#Comment_119856069

No plans yet, being discussed here

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058205768/boosters#latest

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119855845#Comment_119855845

Most countries have reports looking into it. If you want to research it.

During Covid lots of people stopped doing the things that cause them to die or get sick.

DLink

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119856114#Comment_119856114

Just like how cancer and other health screening stopped, you know, the things that cause us to die or get sick.