Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

Lumen

Goldengirl wrote: »

While I am in agreement that it is a very difficult situation for families , I also agree thatit us important to restrict travel from the UKfor the next 6 weeks at least until as many as possible can get 2 doses into them. This will hopefully be moot after 19th of July and hopefully UK will be in a better position then .

It really isn't very difficult. My fully vaccinated mother flew into Belfast yesterday and I picked her up and drove her down.

She is completely undocumented from the perspective of the Irish authorities, but she got a pre-departure PCR test even though it wasn't required, is home quarantining even though nobody is going to check, and will get a 5-day PCR test even though it will surely be negative.

For people who give zero fúcks it's even less difficult.

The current travel restrictions are not really preventing travel from the UK, what's preventing travel is the prospect of a complete lack of craic when they get here.

Goldengirl

FuzzyThinking wrote: »

Seems to be a big spike in Cornwall, albeit from a low base. I’m thinking our outdoor only dining / socialising until the vaccines are more complete is looking a very sensible balance.

Too many politicians and press for G7 Summit ?

Goldengirl

Deleted User wrote: »

If you won't inform yourself properly then you've nobody else to blame for remaining uninformed.

Would not be relying on any information you post , that's for sure .
Have family in Germany and they are saying thank fvck the UK are being restricted and very glad Ireland doing so well .
Which we are ...despite all the negative posts from those who are not happy with the country's response .

Goldengirl

Goldengirl wrote: »

Would not be relying on any information you post , that's for sure .

You don't want URL's for German ministry websites where statistics are collected and presented in the best German fashion. They must be propagating lies.

Goldengirl

Lumen wrote: »

It really isn't very difficult. My fully vaccinated mother flew into Belfast yesterday and I picked her up and drove her down.

She is completely undocumented from the perspective of the Irish authorities, but she got a pre-departure PCR test even though it wasn't required, is home quarantining even though nobody is going to check, and will get a 5-day PCR test even though it will surely be negative.

For people who give zero fúcks it's even less difficult.

The current travel restrictions are not really preventing travel from the UK, what's preventing travel is the prospect of a complete lack of craic when they get here.

I don't think it's difficult getting A to B if you really want to and are fully vaccinated but in the post I was replying to that it is difficult situation for families who are not fully vaxxed separated through this !

Otherwise agree with your post

JP Liz V1

https://twitter.com/paulreiddublin/status/1405482100346789890

Goldengirl

Deleted User wrote: »

You don't want URL's for German ministry websites where statistics are collected and presented in the best German fashion. They must be propagating lies.

Apparently Ireland # 1 in EU !
Thanks Strazdas. Vaccine Megathread post s # 2873 and # 2877, based on 7day rolling average .

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

Or is that a lie ?

Goldengirl

Goldengirl wrote: »

Apparently Ireland # 1 in EU !
Thanks Strazdas. Vaccine Megathread post s # 2873 and # 2877, based on 7day rolling average .

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

Or is that a lie ?

It is either wilfully misleading or you just don't seem to grasp the issues involved. If you have a young demographic in a Developed Country then of course you can afford to give a first dose to more of the population.
Germany which has a much older demographic has to immunize their senior citizens with two shots before they can afford to share vaccine with younger citizens.

Here are the figures for Germany as of today:
https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Daten/Impfquoten-Tab.html

You have no reason to be waving a tricolor around. Ireland just has fewer old people in percentage terms. It was about 13% compared to something like 19% in Germany if I remember correctly.

Wolf359f

Goldengirl wrote: »

Apparently Ireland # 1 in EU !
Thanks Strazdas. Vaccine Megathread post s # 2873 and # 2877, based on 7day rolling average .

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

Or is that a lie ?

7 day average is not accurate. You can see a massive dip to 0.1% per day and then jumps to 1.4%
300k doses a week would give us a 7 day average of 0.87% a day, where is kinda where we are.

Lumen

Deleted User wrote: »

Ireland just has fewer old people in percentage terms. It was about 13% compared to something like 19% in Germany if I remember correctly.

This is why we should be measuring the vaccine rollout by doses per head of population rather than adults only.

I am a stuck record.

Lumen

Lumen wrote: »

This is why we should be measuring the vaccine rollout by doses per head of population rather than adults only.

I am a stuck record.

But, but apparently Ireland are no. 1 in the EU. :rolleyes:

Tony’s definition of ‘normal life’ is interesting!

“If you are fully vaccinated you can safely resume normal life - meeting other fully vaccinated people from up to two households indoors without masks or social distancing, and meeting unvaccinated people from one other household indoors and without masks.

PTH2009

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Tony’s definition of ‘normal life’ is interesting!

“If you are fully vaccinated you can safely resume normal life - meeting other fully vaccinated people from up to two households indoors without masks or social distancing, and meeting unvaccinated people from one other household indoors and without masks.

Tbh nothing special and a bit scary If that's the lowest level he will get to/allow til the whole country is vaccinated

Working class heroes

Deleted User wrote: »

Tony’s definition of ‘normal life’ is interesting!

“If you are fully vaccinated you can safely resume normal life - meeting other fully vaccinated people from up to two households indoors without masks or social distancing, and meeting unvaccinated people from one other household indoors and without masks.

Is he demented or what?

JRant

Goldengirl wrote: »

Agree .
But not for travel , not until we are vaccinated , then no problem.

Why would anyone need a test of any variety once fully vaccinated?

Klonker

Goldengirl wrote: »

Why are some people posting the same posts from April 2020 , still ?

Because nobody has given a good answer yet!

An Ciarraioch

paulie21 wrote: »

Update on deaths unfortunately

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1405552401449357316?s=19

TBF, May was when the vaccinations of the over-60s were reaching their peak, and of course, many still have only one dose of AZ, so deaths will be virtually zero from here on in.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

For travel? Add those variables in to the equation and things get complicated very quickly.
Will the test arrive on time? Does hire car need to be cancelled with or without loss of deposit. Does hotel room need to be cancelled with or without loss of deposit/whole cost. Does space in airport car park need to be cancelled with or without loss of deposit/full cost.

Did you get a warm fuzzy feeling handing over between 100 and 150 euro for your PCR test?

Yes, I did it for international travel purposes.

True, you can focus on all the things that might go wrong. Chances are they won't though, and everything will go smoothly.

Almost all test results are well on time.

bucketybuck

PTH2009 wrote: »

Tbh nothing special and a bit scary If that's the lowest level he will get to/allow til the whole country is vaccinated

What's scary is if he thinks anybody is actually adhering to that bollocks.

Normal One

Normal One wrote: »

There hasn’t been any deaths registered since the HSE hack, COVID or otherwise.

I’d imagine they have been registered. Just not reported centrally until systems recovery

eskimohunt

eskimohunt wrote: »

True, you can focus on all the things that might go wrong. Chances are they won't though, and everything will go smoothly.

That wasn't my experience last time I travelled. Things could and did go wrong.

PTH2009

bucketybuck wrote: »

What's scary is if he thinks anybody is actually adhering to that bollocks.

MM/Leo and Co are and that's the worst thing about it

If there's a time for leadership it's now. Tony should be told 'we have to think about other interests'

Goldengirl

Goldengirl wrote: »

Apparently Ireland # 1 in EU !
Thanks Strazdas. Vaccine Megathread post s # 2873 and # 2877, based on 7day rolling average .

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

Or is that a lie ?

It’s our data being lumpy due to the IT issues. Say we are around the average

bucketybuck

PTH2009 wrote: »

MM/Leo and Co are and that's the worst thing about it

If there's a time for leadership it's now. Tony should be told 'we have to think about other interests'

I think the leadership hope sailed a long time ago.

Strong leadership last year could have made a substantial difference to our lives, but fact is that a cardboard cut out of Micheal Martin would have achieved just as much as the real thing did, it takes no skill to hide behind Tony and wait for vaccines.

It will mean very little now if he finally sticks his head above the parapet, a day late and a dollar short as usual.

normanoffside

bucketybuck wrote: »

I think the leadership hope sailed a long time ago.

Strong leadership last year could have made a substantial difference to our lives, but fact is that a cardboard cut out of Micheal Martin would have achieved just as much as the real thing did, it takes no skill to hide behind Tony and wait for vaccines.

It will mean very little now if he finally sticks his head above the parapet, a day late and a dollar short as usual.

I honestly think CMO has some dirt on Leo and MM. Both were misters for helath while he was CMO.
The only time in 15 months someone (Leo) came out publicly against something Tony had done, 2 weeks later the 'leek' story came out.

bucketybuck

normanoffside wrote: »

I honestly think CMO has some dirt on Leo and MM. Both were misters for helath while he was CMO.
The only time in 15 months someone (Leo) came out publicly against something Tony had done, 2 weeks later the 'leek' story came out.

Dont get me wrong, I do wish they would collectively grow a set of balls and start doing their jobs, late would be better than never.

But I cant see it happening, Martin is just an historically weak leader and is likely to remain so until he is ****ed out. It's just a shame that his turn came at the worst possible time.

First Up

Thank goodness there have been people smart enough to invent vaccines and people smart enough to manage their distribution.

Because if we were depending on the behaviour and attitude of some of the posters in here to get us through Covid we would be in pretty deep doo-doo for a long time to come.

PTH2009

PTH2009 wrote: »

Will we ever get the answer of why Ireland had/is one of the most restricted countries in the world in this pandemic ?

Is it cause of our culture which a big part of it is drinking and been social people ?

Is it cause of our health system, one that the general has no control over ?

Is it cause of the spineless leadership in the government who are frightened to make a decision and are hiding behind 'Health officials' ?

beyond frustration at this point

No opposition in politics, save for a handful of Independent TDs who have next to no influence because of how few they are in number, or in the media.

Ireland is possibly the only country in the world with no opposition. Compare and contrast Ireland with the US where there is huge opposition in the form of the Republican Party, Fox News, and governors of Red states (Ron DeSantis, Kristi Noem, for example). But the US is unique for being the 'land of the free'. Freedom matters more there than in any other country in the world.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

No opposition in politics, save for a handful of Independent TDs who have next to no influence because of how few they are in number, or in the media.

Ireland is possibly the only country in the world with no opposition. Compare and contrast Ireland with the US where there is huge opposition in the form of the Republican Party, Fox News, and governors of Red states (Ron DeSantis, Kristi Noem, for example). But the US is unique for being the 'land of the free'. Freedom matters more there than in any other country in the world.

Very funny

AdamD

First Up wrote: »

Thank goodness there have been people smart enough to invent vaccines and people smart enough to manage their distribution.

Because if we were depending on the behaviour and attitude of some of the posters in here to get us through Covid we would be in pretty deep doo-doo for a long time to come.

If there were no vaccines we wouldn't be committing to years of restrictions