Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

Ficheall

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

those who died from covid were mostly elderly and suffered other co morbidity issues

What do they list as comorbidities, as a matter of interest?

Ficheall

Ficheall wrote: »

What do they list as comorbidities, as a matter of interest?

Dont you know everyone with high blood pressure, diabetes, heart disease, COPD etc etc etc. are going to die with in months at most

Really disappointed to read on the front of the Indo this morning that the “Young have been told to keep lives on hold as the vaccine rollout slows”.

Two months ago, Covid wasn’t considered dangerous enough to let us take AZ or JJ. Now there’s concern apparently about the variant. So we’ll be asked not to see people indoors, not to holiday etc. All the while being asked to continue to work on hospitality, retail, crowded settings, education etc. Looking likely that it’ll be well into autumn before “the young” will even nearly get the chance to be fully vaccinated.

I’m on my last straw. I’ve given up my family life, social life, work life so many times in order to apparently protect the vulnerable from a virus we have been constantly told doesnt hit the young as hard. Now we’re being told to wait again, for no good reason under our bizarre regime of “abundance of caution”.

Now is the time for politicians and ordinary lower paid young people (who have been denied education, college, social lives, work and housing, who reopening is depending on for a large part!) to demand that NIAC and NPHET at least give us a choice to take a vaccine earlier. I, like a lot in the 20-35 age groups, would have no hesitation in signing a waiver or opting in to take AZ or J&J so my life doesn’t have to remain on hold for another 3-4 months. 15 months has been bad enough as it is.

CruelSummer

NPHET coming out suggesting that we discriminate via age on sections of our society.
30’s and under - don't travel and be careful if you socialise.
After 6 months of lockdown and brighter days ahead - this is what’s thrown in people’s faces.
Why on Earth should younger people at much less risk from the virus not travel under the EU Covid cert scheme, or even socialise here?! Society locked down to protect the vulnerable - now those who are not at risk must continue to live in Covid misery? I don’t think so.
What planet are these people on?

is_that_so

Deleted User wrote: »

Really disappointed to read on the front of the Indo this morning that the “Young have been told to keep lives on hold as the vaccine rollout slows”.

Two months ago, Covid wasn’t considered dangerous enough to let us take AZ or JJ. Now there’s concern apparently about the variant. So we’ll be asked not to see people indoors, not to holiday etc. All the while being asked to continue to work on hospitality, retail, crowded settings, education etc. Looking likely that it’ll be well into autumn before “the young” will even nearly get the chance to be fully vaccinated.

I’m on my last straw. I’ve given up my family life, social life, work life so many times in order to apparently protect the vulnerable from a virus we have been constantly told doesnt hit the young as hard. Now we’re being told to wait again, for no good reason under our bizarre regime of “abundance of caution”.

Now is the time for politicians and ordinary lower paid young people (who have been denied education, college, social lives, work and housing, who reopening is depending on for a large part!) to demand that NIAC and NPHET at least give us a choice to take a vaccine earlier. I, like a lot in the 20-35 age groups, would have no hesitation in signing a waiver or opting in to take AZ or J&J so my life doesn’t have to remain on hold for another 3-4 months. 15 months has been bad enough as it is.

Next month a lot more activities will be available to us plus we'll be a lot closer to that 50% fully vaccinated point after which cases should fall off.

CruelSummer

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Really disappointed to read on the front of the Indo this morning that the “Young have been told to keep lives on hold as the vaccine rollout slows”.

Two months ago, Covid wasn’t considered dangerous enough to let us take AZ or JJ. Now there’s concern apparently about the variant. So we’ll be asked not to see people indoors, not to holiday etc. All the while being asked to continue to work on hospitality, retail, crowded settings, education etc. Looking likely that it’ll be well into autumn before “the young” will even nearly get the chance to be fully vaccinated.

I’m on my last straw. I’ve given up my family life, social life, work life so many times in order to apparently protect the vulnerable from a virus we have been constantly told doesnt hit the young as hard. Now we’re being told to wait again, for no good reason under our bizarre regime of “abundance of caution”.

Now is the time for politicians and ordinary lower paid young people (who have been denied education, college, social lives, work and housing, who reopening is depending on for a large part!) to demand that NIAC and NPHET at least give us a choice to take a vaccine earlier. I, like a lot in the 20-35 age groups, would have no hesitation in signing a waiver or opting in to take AZ or J&J so my life doesn’t have to remain on hold for another 3-4 months. 15 months has been bad enough as it is.

The article and NPHET’s advice in it is a utter disgrace. As they themselves are now after their inexplicable opposition to antigen testing. Now they suggest young people to put their lives on hold instead of allowing their use.

is_that_so

CruelSummer wrote: »

NPHET coming out suggesting that we discriminate via age on sections of our society.
30’s and under - don't travel and be careful if you socialise.
After 6 months of lockdown and brighter days ahead - this is what’s thrown in people’s faces.
Why on Earth should younger people at much less risk from the virus not travel under the EU Covid cert scheme, or even socialise here?! Society locked down to protect the vulnerable - now those who are not at risk must continue to live in Covid misery? I don’t think so.
What planet are these people on?

It's actually if you're not vaccinated you shouldn't travel and other countries may have an issue with it anyway. Even with the original 80% target for June it still meant that foreign travel was never on the cards this summer for many of us.

prunudo

Not for the first time, posts that were once banished to the ct forum are ringing true on the regular covid thread.

robbiezero

Deleted User wrote: »

Really disappointed to read on the front of the Indo this morning that the “Young have been told to keep lives on hold as the vaccine rollout slows”.

Two months ago, Covid wasn’t considered dangerous enough to let us take AZ or JJ. Now there’s concern apparently about the variant. So we’ll be asked not to see people indoors, not to holiday etc. All the while being asked to continue to work on hospitality, retail, crowded settings, education etc. Looking likely that it’ll be well into autumn before “the young” will even nearly get the chance to be fully vaccinated.

I’m on my last straw. I’ve given up my family life, social life, work life so many times in order to apparently protect the vulnerable from a virus we have been constantly told doesnt hit the young as hard. Now we’re being told to wait again, for no good reason under our bizarre regime of “abundance of caution”.

Now is the time for politicians and ordinary lower paid young people (who have been denied education, college, social lives, work and housing, who reopening is depending on for a large part!) to demand that NIAC and NPHET at least give us a choice to take a vaccine earlier. I, like a lot in the 20-35 age groups, would have no hesitation in signing a waiver or opting in to take AZ or J&J so my life doesn’t have to remain on hold for another 3-4 months. 15 months has been bad enough as it is.

Why would you do any of that now?
I won't be vaccinated for another while yet, but I'm certainly not going to be restricting myself in any fashion and haven't been for quite a while.

FintanMcluskey

CruelSummer wrote: »

The article and NPHET’s advice in it is a utter disgrace. As they themselves are now after their inexplicable opposition to antigen testing. Now they suggest young people to put their lives on hold instead of allowing their use.

That’s why happens when decision making is handed to middle aged affluent men and women

Those who are making the decisions and giving advice are likely to have been vaccinated themselves

Klonker

is_that_so wrote: »

It's actually if you're not vaccinated you shouldn't travel and other countries may have an issue with it anyway. Even with the original 80% target for June it still meant that foreign travel was never on the cards this summer for many of us.

Most of EU countries are already letting in unvaccinated travellers at the moment and the rest from 1st July. A lot are currently accepted antigen tests for entry and from what we've heard so far every country except for Ireland will accept antigen tests for entry.

Not sure what your 'foreign travel was never on the cards this summer for many of us comment' is supposed to mean. Are you saying it was never going to be allowed or people just won't want to anyway? Nobody is trying to force people to travel you know.

There is a band I want to go see in summer 2022. I'm actually honestly debating whether to book tickets for the Irish date or head abroad. I just have no confidence in the situation over here. I see other countries with thousands of fans in stadiums while in Ireland we're still uneasy about too many gathering at the beach etc.

Its just difficult to see a gig going ahead here anytime soon.

TefalBrain

As a 48yo person i genuinely feel sorry for those in their 20's and 30's. They are being treated like complete dog**** by this government. That age group in other European countries are being allowed to get on with life safe under the knowledge the virus is not dangerous for them bar a tiny cohort and yet here they are missing out on the things that make life enjoyable (bearable even in Ireland).

TefalBrain

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

That’s why happens when decision making is handed to middle aged affluent men and women

Those who are making the decisions and giving advice are likely to have been vaccinated themselves

And more than likely headed off to lake Garda or Sorrento for holidays after 19th July hassle free.

FintanMcluskey

TefalBrain wrote: »

As a 48yo person i genuinely feel sorry for those in their 20's and 30's. They are being treated like complete dog**** by this government. That age group in other European countries are being allowed to get on with life safe under the knowledge the virus is not dangerous for them bar a tiny cohort and yet here they are missing out on the things that make life enjoyable (bearable even in Ireland).

The age group who will also pay the most and suffer the greatest economic ramifications from such a lengthy lockdown in Ireland

The best opportunity for those under 30 to return to normality any time soon is to emigrate.

robbiezero

TefalBrain wrote: »

As a 48yo person i genuinely feel sorry for those in their 20's and 30's. They are being treated like complete dog**** by this government. That age group in other European countries are being allowed to get on with life safe under the knowledge the virus is not dangerous for them bar a tiny cohort and yet here they are missing out on the things that make life enjoyable (bearable even in Ireland).

And the poor f**kers can't even buy or barely afford to rent a house either thanks to our housing sh*tshow.

If ever a generation was getting rode sideways.....

Silentcorner

We know this virus doesn't affect the young...the data tells us so, so what is the reasoning the continued suppression of their lives?

Silentcorner

Silentcorner wrote: »

We know this virus doesn't affect the young...the data tells us so, so what is the reasoning the continued suppression of their lives?

Well NIAC ruled that the younger generations have more chance of suffering from an extremely rare 1 in a million blood cloth than dying of Covid...

But apparently we are worried that those young generations will suddenly start dying or filling up hospitals due to the delta variant...

But we still haven't changed the advice on the vaccines leading me to believe that they actually know the illness is still harmless to the young.

Strange situation.

kleiner feigling

Ficheall wrote: »

What do they list as comorbidities, as a matter of interest?

Obesity is one of the main comorbidities and isn't being talked about enough.
The Dec 2020 HPSC report showed 17.6% of covid ICU admissions were morbidly obese (BMI >40). Actually anything over 30 BMI is considered obese, but they don't give that data. Obesity is a key factor in the hospitalization of relatively young people.

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/underlyingconditionsreports/Underlying%20conditions%20summary_1.0v%2014122020.pdf

kleiner feigling

corkie wrote: »

If the video been on bitchute doesn't raise alarms. Interesting to say the least.

To save others sometime it boils down to 'Governments are lying to you' about lockdowns, PCR tests and vaccines.

Debunked: Claims by an ex-Pfizer employee about Covid-19 and vaccines are false and misleading
Mike Yeadon is regularly cited by anti-lockdown groups.

Whatever your view, it is interesting that so many formerly mainstream clinicians, scientists etc. are being shunned by twitter, youtube and their peers and ending up on these platforms.

Did anyone see the Canadian MP and Canadian Doctors/Scientists whistl-blowing on some of the censorship there?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUrp5PlnBwQ

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

When opposition is based on lies and conning the population in following a false agenda, is that a healthy opposition?

I have no problem with an opposition challenging the rationale for restrictions. It is healthy and there are valid arguments. An opposition that is based purely on lies however is not that.

The opposition here have been quite vigorous in challenging the government and in their response to Covid. They have gone the opposite way though saying we did not go far enough. And ISAG were part of that opposition, so do conflate criticism of that group as opposing our stance on Covid is incorrect as they are the loudest opposition to our stance on Covid in the public sphere

And ISAG are never challenged. Emails of theirs were leaked and nothing about it, apart from on Gript. Look at the difference in the US: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScFVUyVMp4M

Again, the point isn't whether one likes Tucker Carlson or not, but that he gives a voice to possibly half the country, the US being more or less split down the middle in terms of Republicans and Democrats, although obviously not all Republicans dislike Fauci. More accurate to say that he gives a voice to a lot of people, not all Republicans.

If ISAG were in the US they would be challenged by the Republican Party, Fox News, Breitbart, Ben Shapiro. Dave Rubin et al. Their emails would possibly have been a national scandal. Similarly NPHET would be challenged non-stop and criticised heavily.

seamus

Deleted User wrote: »

There is a band I want to go see in summer 2022. I'm actually honestly debating whether to book tickets for the Irish date or head abroad. I just have no confidence in the situation over here. I see other countries with thousands of fans in stadiums while in Ireland we're still uneasy about too many gathering at the beach etc.

Its just difficult to see a gig going ahead here anytime soon.

This is a prime example of having one's head in the sand and believing the nonsense that Ireland has the strictest restrictions in the world and that NPHET are trying to keep everything locked down for no reason.

We are currently at or near the top of the list in terms of vaccine rollout and planning a complete or almost complete lifting all restrictions in the Autumn.

And yet somehow in your head you've convinced yourself that we're so far behind that gigs won't be happening next summer.

I have absolute confidence in the situation over here, because the only time we were lied to was when Michael Martin told us that the 3rd wave happened due to a new variant.

Outside of that, everything which has been said and done has been completely transparent. Where we're going, why we're doing what we're doing. We don't necessarily have to have agreed with some of the decisions, but you can't claim that they haven't been perfectly clear and upfront.

funnydoggy

This travel advice is going to cause a huge backlash. Absolutely ridiculous.

hmmm

I really feel for responsible young people who want to get vaccinated. This was predicted months ago when we started to see age restrictions put on vaccines. Other countries treat people like adults and allow them to take these vaccines, after explaining the risks - we seem to think it is cost-free to tell groups to continue in lockdown for an extra few months, and while I think it is unfortunately too late government (and society) have dropped the ball here.

Between this and the shambles around antigen testing ("here is how the tests could be faked") we need to have a grown-up conversation as a country about why we don't seem to be able to treat people like adults, and what the reasons for that are (and not all the blame for that can be laid at the foot of NPHET or the government).

seamus

Gortanna wrote: »

If ISAG were in the US they would be challenged by the Republican Party, Fox News, Breitbart, Ben Shapiro. Dave Rubin et al. Their emails would possibly have been a national scandal. Similarly NPHET would be challenged non-stop and criticised heavily.

The entire "opposition" you mention in the US is a group of con artists, conspiracy theorists and morons, being exploited by oligarchs and billionaires to extract money from them. They are not a political opposition, they are a cash cow for the right-wing elite who would happily throw republican voters into a burning pit if they got paid for it.

A polarised system does no service to anyone. An "opposition" that opposes the other side purely because they are the "other side", provide no value to democracy or civil discourse.

Opposition only works, when they oppose something on its merits. Opposing a proposal or an idea simply because of who suggested it, is what idiots do.

FintanMcluskey

kleiner feigling wrote: »

Obesity is one of the main comorbidities and isn't being talked about enough.
The Dec 2020 HPSC report showed 17.6% of covid ICU admissions were morbidly obese (BMI >40). Actually anything over 30 BMI is considered obese, but they don't give that data. Obesity is a key factor in the hospitalization of relatively young people.

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/underlyingconditionsreports/Underlying%20conditions%20summary_1.0v%2014122020.pdf

https://www.worldobesityday.org/assets/downloads/COVID-19_and_Obesity-The_2021_Atlas.pdf

The world obesity day report found that if obesity wasn’t so prevalent, covid would be much much less of an issue

As we show in this report, increased bodyweight is the second greatest predictor of hospitalisation and a high risk of death for people suffering from COVID-19. Only old age rates as a higher risk factor.
The unprecedented economic costs of COVID-19 are largely due to the measures taken to avoid the excess hospitalisation and need for treatment of the disease. Reducing one major risk factor, overweight, would have resulted in far less stress on health services and reduced the need to protect those services from being overwhelmed.
We show that in those countries where overweight affects only a minority of the adult population, the rates of death from COVID-19 are typically less than one tenth the levels found in countries where overweight affects the majority of adults.
We also show that the drivers of overweight – especially high levels of consumption of processed foods – are associated with mortality from COVID-19.
Lastly, we show that COVID-19 is not a special case: a number of other respiratory viruses lead to more severe consequences in people living with excess bodyweight, giving good reasons to expect the next pandemic to have similar effects.

The best prevention for covid is to stop eating to many calories

Two days ago, Holohan argued that antigen testing was unreliable and "no better than a coin toss".

Yesterday, Holohan argued at the NPHET briefing that antigen testing had a role to play, for example, in outbreaks.

You couldn't make it up.

FintanMcluskey

hmmm wrote: »

I really feel for responsible young people who want to get vaccinated. This was predicted months ago when we started to see age restrictions put on vaccines. Other countries treat people like adults and allow them to take these vaccines, after explaining the risks - we seem to think it is cost-free to tell groups to continue in lockdown for an extra few months, and while I think it is unfortunately too late government (and society) have dropped the ball here.

Between this and the shambles around antigen testing ("here is how the tests could be faked") we need to have a grown-up conversation as a country about why we don't seem to be able to treat people like adults, and what the reasons for that are (and not all the blame for that can be laid at the foot of NPHET or the government).

Where else could the blame lie?

Irish citizens have one of the highest vaccine uptakes in the world, but still continue as some of the most suppressed

seamus

seamus wrote: »

The entire "opposition" you mention in the US is a group of con artists, conspiracy theorists and morons, being exploited by oligarchs and billionaires to extract money from them. They are not a political opposition, they are a cash cow for the right-wing elite who would happily throw republican voters into a burning pit if they got paid for it.

A polarised system does no service to anyone. An "opposition" that opposes the other side purely because they are the "other side", provide no value to democracy or civil discourse.

Opposition only works, when they oppose something on its merits. Opposing a proposal or an idea simply because of who suggested it, is what idiots do.

Do you think the entire Republican Party, which represents around half the country, is made up of conspiracy theorists and morons?

Do you think ISAG's emails would've been a national scandal in the US?

seamus

Yes and no, to answer both of your questions. But don't forget the con artists. ISAG are a fringe group who despite the airtime they've gotten, have had exactly zero influence on public policy. Their emails are irrelevant, because they are irrelevant.